Was God really Adam's father?

radhead

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When I read Genesis now, it seems as if God is referring to our parents. Parents like to control their children. They like to play favorites. They don't want to us to marry anyone who might remove us from their loyalty.

I think the people who wrote Genesis were trying to convey this deep truth. Which is that all religions portray a God who is actually based upon our parents.

Do you think it is possible that this was the original intent of the Old Testament stories?
 

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All of us have a natural desire to recreate other people in our own image. If everyone could just see things our way it would make life so much easier. When we have children, this can become an opportunity to fulfill this glorious possibility.

"When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth."
 
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I don't like to control my children.
But I have an obligation and a privilege as a parent to protect them from danger and to guide them.

I don't have favorites.
But my children are different. They are not the same, their needs are not the same. Their choices are not the same. That is why each one of them deserves different rewards and have different punishments. But rewards and punishments are fair to each one of them.

P.S. I agree with you that God is Father of Adam and Eve.
 
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Can't speak for other religions, but Christians refer to God as "Father", so uh, yeah, you have a keen insight into the obvious. :p

But seriously, a man might build a hot rod car and if he really likes it he might call it his "baby", you know? Our parents are based on God, not the other way around.
 
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Can't speak for other religions, but Christians refer to God as "Father", so uh, yeah, you have a keen insight into the obvious. :p

We need to read more closely. I'm pretty sure Jesus was the first to refer to God as "Father". The fact that he called the Pharisees "gods" when they questioned his claim of being "son of God" means that he must have come from the same background as they did. But he chose a different path, a path which brings peace and unity to all men. It doesn't separate people the way people naturally try to do, including the Christian church which has never seemed to follow Jesus very well.

Also, there are some pagan religions which believe in both a God and Goddess. If that doesn't sound like parents nothing does. Look at the parents of Jacob and Esau. A married couple fighting over who "God" really favors, and playing favorites, using their children as weapons against each other.

The message cannot be any more obvious unless people prefer the darkness.
 
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True. But a lot of those verses came from Moses and the Prophets. Jesus accused the Pharisees of not wanting to read those books. The use in Proverbs is definitely not literal. Were there any prayers that referred to God as father? I'm asking because I'm not sure. The New Testament was pretty strong in it's use of the name Father.
 
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People do hold high opinions of their parents. And of their kings. So it makes sense that we naturally project those qualities onto our gods.

And it's equally true that God possesses those qualities, so they're not projections, they're metaphors.
 
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There is a progression in the biblical story. By the time it gets to Noah and his sons you know that the figure of God represents the parents. But there was a very strong clue when Seth was born.

By the time it gets to Jacob and Esau it should be clear. But we humans are blind.
 
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Was God really Adam's father?
Yep! Luke's genealogy says so:
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, ..... the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
 
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"The son of God" is a title used for all of God's children. So Adam is really no different. We all base our image of God from our father (or other ancestors).

Unless you want to say that "son of God" means something different here. But that is quite a stretch. There are a lot stretches and questionable ideas that Christians depend upon to make their doctrine fit the Bible.
 
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"The son of God" is a title used for all of God's children. So Adam is really no different. We all base our image of God from our father (or other ancestors).

Unless you want to say that "son of God" means something different here. But that is quite a stretch. There are a lot stretches and questionable ideas that Christians depend upon to make their doctrine fit the Bible.
Well, in the genealogy I quoted Adam is called a son of God, while Seth is called a son of Adam. So from a physical point of view Adam is the only man who is a son of God (aside from Jesus, of course); the rest of us are sons of our fathers.

From a spiritual point of view we might be sons of God, or sons of the Devil, depending on what we do:
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. - Matthew 5:44-45

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. - John 8:44
 
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Well, in the genealogy I quoted Adam is called a son of God, while Seth is called a son of Adam. So from a physical point of view Adam is the only man who is a son of God (aside from Jesus, of course); the rest of us are sons of our fathers.

From a spiritual point of view we might be sons of God, or sons of the Devil, depending on what we do:

I questioned Christianity after reading the Bible, because I don't see any good fruit in Christians. Or, if there is good fruit, it is distinctly separate from their faith and teachings. I always see more good fruit in people of other faiths, or in people without any religious faith at all.

People really should be testing their own faith by it's fruit. Well, maybe that is what they have always done. It just took me so long to see the truth because I was in darkness (while I was an orthodox believer) and didn't want to know the truth.

By the way, my faith background was fundamentalist: Southern Baptist and Non-denominational. So I can't speak for other forms of Christianity.
 
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I questioned Christianity after reading the Bible, because I don't see any good fruit in Christians.
Did you see any in Paul?
radhead said:
I always see more good fruit in people of other faiths,
That's because they have to work for their salvation.
radhead said:
... or in people without any religious faith at all.
You see spiritual fruit in people who have no faith at all?
 
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I don't think of Paul as a "Christian" the way that you envision Christianity. But it really doesn't matter because we don't know what Paul was like aside from the alleged stories written about him, which don't really portray him as either good or bad.

Do you honestly not see good spiritual fruit in atheists, or at least in people outside of religious faith? If that's your real opinion then how can I take anything you say seriously?
 
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