What does it mean for Christians if Israel falls?

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Things change very quickly without notice all the time (Also people seemingly ignore many changes or pretend they aren't important ). Look how quickly a part of the ME was taken over by ISIS. Look how quickly the Soviet Union went from a world power to falling completely apart. Look how quickly Germany went from a Democratic Republic to a Fascist Dictatorship. Look at the French Revolution etc etc etc. Signs that such things are imminent are always seen very clearly in hindsight but never seem to be noticed in advance.
Want me to deconstruct each of these for you? I'm happy to, but it's late here so it will have to wait until tomorrow.

Short version though? All of your examples were the results of several long term trends and events. None of them happened unexpectedly or suddenly, with the possible exception of the fall of the USSR, which didn't happen suddenly or without warning, and was the result of decades of internal decay... the Sovs knew their system was falling apart long before it actually did. Just the West was so wrapped up in fighting the Cold War that all our analytical assets missed the collapse coming, because they weren't looking for it.
 
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If Israel falls, it will be by God's Sovereign decree. He has spewed Israel out of the land before due to it's unrepentant heart. Habakkuk tells us that God used the wicked Babylonians as His instrument of justice on Israel. He has every right to deal with sin as He sees fit. Do not worry if God chooses to once again send Israel into exile. He will still accomplish His Sovereign will. Just sit back and trust Him. No worries.
 
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I've heard that with changing demographics (specifically a decline in evangelical Christian populations and their political influence) the United States will stop providing aid to Israel, and then Israel will fall to its Arab neighbors.

This won't happen very soon, but could happen within the next 50 years.

What does it mean for the validity of the Bible and Christian faith if this happens?
If the State of Israel which is in no sense Biblical Israel rises or falls such has zero effect on my Christian Faith.
 
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I've heard that with changing demographics (specifically a decline in evangelical Christian populations and their political influence) the United States will stop providing aid to Israel, and then Israel will fall to its Arab neighbors.

This won't happen very soon, but could happen within the next 50 years.

What does it mean for the validity of the Bible and Christian faith if this happens?
Actually.... there are prophesies about disaster hitting North America when we betray Israel that we should worry more about.

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/01/america-will-be-split-after-it-betrays-israel-2460042.html

America is going to betray Israel, resulting in Israel becoming divided, followed by America becoming divided. If you have not yet watched this video, please do so and then I will provide some insights. (If the below video does not show up, you can watch it at this link:
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Things change very quickly without notice all the time (Also people seemingly ignore many changes or pretend they aren't important ). Look how quickly a part of the ME was taken over by ISIS. Look how quickly the Soviet Union went from a world power to falling completely apart. Look how quickly Germany went from a Democratic Republic to a Fascist Dictatorship. Look at the French Revolution etc etc etc. Signs that such things are imminent are always seen very clearly in hindsight but never seem to be noticed in advance.
So true...... and it seems like G-d may well be setting things up for another Exodus that will be even greater than the Exodus from Egypt......

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...repare-for-major-event.7843155/#post-66360357
 
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Well said! Near death experiencer Dannion BRinkley was shown a peace deal being initiated between Jordan and Israel that was followed by a massive influx of Jews from all over the world to Israel.


The God of Israel does not sleep nor slumber, his love for us endures forever. Nothing formed against us will prosper. Our Messiah will not forsake us but redeem us, as from the dead. When all armies are surrounding us HE will come and redeem us. Then all nations will know and glorify the God of Israel, and the One he sent to redeem us, all.

I do not fear the raging of the nations. I fear the Holy One of Israel, because he loves me beyond measure. And is the protector of our nation, and our souls. Fear not believers of the Holy One of Israel, He is working for our good, not our harm. We will be resurrected to newness of life just as our Messiah was. Israel will be redeemed and resurrected to life eternal. If not, it means the bible and your faith have been invalidated.

Isaiah 66
22“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure.

Isaiah 43
Isaiah 44
1“But now listen, Jacob, my servant,
Israel, whom I have chosen.
2This is what the Lord says—
he who made you, who formed you in the womb,
and who will help you:
Do not be afraid, Jacob, my servant,
Jeshurun,#
44:2Jeshurunmeans the upright one, that is, Israel.
whom I have chosen.
3For I will pour water on the thirsty land,
and streams on the dry ground;
I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring,
and my blessing on your descendants.
4They will spring up like grass in a meadow,
like poplar trees by flowing streams.
5Some will say, ‘I belong to the Lord’;
others will call themselves by the name of Jacob;
still others will write on their hand, ‘The Lord’s,’
and will take the name Israel.​
 
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I've heard that with changing demographics (specifically a decline in evangelical Christian populations and their political influence) the United States will stop providing aid to Israel, and then Israel will fall to its Arab neighbors.

This won't happen very soon, but could happen within the next 50 years.

What does it mean for the validity of the Bible and Christian faith if this happens?
Israel is just another small country, it's errelivant having rejected their calling 2,000 years ago. The light and responsibility was given to other people. Today Israel is a museum to a broken covenant. There is a Mosque sitting on top of the remains of the Temple????
 
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Israel is just another small country, it's errelivant having rejected their calling 2,000 years ago. The light and responsibility was given to other people. Today Israel is a museum to a broken covenant. There is a Mosque sitting on top of the remains of the Temple????
:doh::sigh:
 
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37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"
 
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The Israel/Palestine conflict is an impossible situation, and as an American I wish my country wasn't mixed up in it. Whatever happens, happens. Do we really want another military quagmire in the ME, and terrorism at home? Can we look out for ourselves please? Leave that mess alone.
 
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Which is why some are delighted about the growing number of Messianic Jews there :)

Jewish Christians or "Messianic Jews"?

We should be delighted when anyone becomes a Christian, whether they be Jew or Gentile. The power of the Gospel to convert hearts is something we should always rejoice in.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I've heard that with changing demographics (specifically a decline in evangelical Christian populations and their political influence) the United States will stop providing aid to Israel, and then Israel will fall to its Arab neighbors.

This won't happen very soon, but could happen within the next 50 years.

What does it mean for the validity of the Bible and Christian faith if this happens?
And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end.
Israel will not fall.
 
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'This just in'!!!!...............Israel fell in 70 AD, there is a mosque built on top of the temple......And in the kingdom there is no Jew or Gentile. The self segregation of the Jews, is in reality, history!
You don't think 1967 was significant?
 
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Israel is just another small country, it's errelivant having rejected their calling 2,000 years ago. The light and responsibility was given to other people. Today Israel is a museum to a broken covenant. There is a Mosque sitting on top of the remains of the Temple????
But some Israeli experts are saying that the Temple of Solomon stood off to the side well away from The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque! I believe his name was Mr. Tuvia Sagiv or something like that.
 
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'This just in'!!!!...............Israel fell in 70 AD, there is a mosque built on top of the temple......And in the kingdom there is no Jew or Gentile. The self segregation of the Jews, is in reality, history!


On the other hand Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did state......"Oh fools and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken."..... Which I assume would include Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 right?
 
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