Evidence from Sola Scriptura - right from the Bible itself

Root of Jesse · Feb 11, 2016

MennoSota said:
Prayer to the saints.
Worship of Mary
Indulgences
Baptism into the church for salvation.
Added "grace points" available from the church declared "saints."
Salvation by good works.
Christ dying repeatedly in the sacrament of communion (Christ died once and for all).
etc, etc, etc...

Why is praying to saints contrary to God?
We don't worship Mary.
We don't sell indulgences.
"Baptism now saves you."
Huh? Don't know what you're talking about.
Huh? Don't know what you're talking about. We don't believe in salvation by works.
We don't believe in Christ dying repeatedly. It's all the same sacrifice.

Etc., etc., etc. You've been taught lies, and believe them, as I said.

Erose · Feb 11, 2016

MennoSota said:
Prayer to the saints.

Not in the contested writings.

MennoSota said:
Worship of Mary

We don't worship Mary, and besides Mary wasn't born yet.

MennoSota said:
Indulgences

Not in the discussed writings, but rather in the New Testament.

MennoSota said:
Baptism into the church for salvation.

Again, in the NT, not in the discussed writings.

MennoSota said:
Added "grace points" available from the church declared "saints."

Not sure what you are implying here.

MennoSota said:
Salvation by good works.

Catholic Church does not teach this, and in fact rejected Pelagianism as a heresy.

MennoSota said:
Christ dying repeatedly in the sacrament of communion (Christ died once and for all).

Catholic church does not teach this, either.

MennoSota said:
etc, etc, etc...

So from these comments, I have to ask. Did you really read these writings?

MennoSota · Feb 11, 2016

Erose said:
Not in the contested writings.
We don't worship Mary, and besides Mary wasn't born yet.
Not in the discussed writings, but rather in the New Testament.
Again, in the NT, not in the discussed writings.
Not sure what you are implying here.
Catholic Church does not teach this, and in fact rejected Pelagianism as a heresy.
Catholic church does not teach this, either.

So from these comments, I have to ask. Did you really read these writings?

https://carm.org/why-apocrypha-not-in-bible

MennoSota · Feb 11, 2016

Root of Jesse said:
Why is praying to saints contrary to God?
We don't worship Mary.
We don't sell indulgences.
"Baptism now saves you."
Huh? Don't know what you're talking about.
Huh? Don't know what you're talking about. We don't believe in salvation by works.
We don't believe in Christ dying repeatedly. It's all the same sacrifice.

Etc., etc., etc. You've been taught lies, and believe them, as I said.

I read the Bible. I see the majority in the Roman church believing that their church baptism will save them so they can ignore God in this life.

It's sad to see such misplaced faith.

MennoSota · Feb 11, 2016

Jerome rejected apocryphal books. The papacy over rode him because the Roman emporer wanted them. It was all politics and zero inspiration from God.

MennoSota · Feb 11, 2016

Looks like God is angry with the Roman church! [emoji453]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/li...a-hit-by-mysterious-burning-rash-on-forehead/

Erose · Feb 11, 2016

MennoSota said:
https://carm.org/why-apocrypha-not-in-bible

That's not what I asked, CARM is a joke of a site, with a lot of misinformation. But still that isn't what I asked. Have you really read these writings?

Erose · Feb 11, 2016

MennoSota said:
Jerome rejected apocryphal books. The papacy over rode him because the Roman emporer wanted them. It was all politics and zero inspiration from God.

That is a lie, and false information. Even if he did, St. Jerome was a priest, not a bishop, so he had no authority whatsoever to make such a determination.

Erose · Feb 11, 2016

MennoSota said:
I read the Bible. I see the majority in the Roman church believing that their church baptism will save them so they can ignore God in this life.

It's sad to see such misplaced faith.

It's sad to see ignorance as well, especially intentional ignorance.

MennoSota · Feb 11, 2016

Erose said:
It's sad to see ignorance as well, especially intentional ignorance.

I am ignorant of foolish teachings from papal dictators. I read the Bible and love what it teaches. Sadly for you, it rarely teaches what the Pope teaches.

Erose · Feb 13, 2016

MennoSota said:
I am ignorant of foolish teachings from papal dictators. I read the Bible and love what it teaches. Sadly for you, it rarely teaches what the Pope teaches.

How do you know since you admit that you are ignorant of papal teachings? See my point here? You are arguing against something you really don't have a clue about. First rule of debate, know the other side well enough to be able to effectively argue against it.

MennoSota · Feb 13, 2016

Erose said:
How do you know since you admit that you are ignorant of papal teachings? See my point here? You are arguing against something you really don't have a clue about. First rule of debate, know the other side well enough to be able to effectively argue against it.

The clue is in all the Rc people I meet everyday who live like hell and put their trust in a sprinkling of water for their salvation. The clue is in those who think they are buying their dead loved ones out of purgatory (a biblically non-existant place). The clue is in all the congregants who are entirely Pelagius because the church no longer follows Augustine's views. Ad nauseum...

FredVB · Feb 13, 2016

I don't think Jesus ever was saying something good about tradition. I don't remember it being written. There was a good deal he said against tradition that was valued as much as, or more than, the word of God. And yet many believers along with others uphold traditions, even for their churches, that are not from the Bible. With this sometimes things from the Bible are neglected. It should matter if it is said such base their beliefs on what is written in the Bible.

BobRyan · Feb 13, 2016

MennoSota said: ↑
https://carm.org/why-apocrypha-not-in-bible

Erose said:
That's not what I asked, CARM is a joke of a site, with a lot of misinformation. But still that isn't what I asked. Have you really read these writings?

CARM is not a serious Christian discussion board because they do not "allow" you to post in defense of what you believe and simply circle the wagons around the ad homimen and false accusation of their attack-dogs.

There are many other sites like the BaptistBoard and this ChristianForum and a great many others that are "serious" discussion boards where you can actually learn from the posts because both sides of the discussion are free to post their best arguments.

However CARM does have some helpful study notes as in the case of the link provided. I have added those notes to my files.

Erose · Feb 14, 2016

MennoSota said:
The clue is in all the Rc people I meet everyday who live like hell and put their trust in a sprinkling of water for their salvation.

uh... That is actually many Protestants who believe saying one sinner's prayer makes you "once saved always saved". So actually that is a Protestant invention not a Catholic one.

MennoSota said:
The clue is in those who think they are buying their dead loved ones out of purgatory (a biblically non-existant place).

So how are they buying their loved ones out of purgatory? I would like to know quite frankly. Being Catholic I've never seen such an operation.

MennoSota said:
The clue is in all the congregants who are entirely Pelagius because the church no longer follows Augustine's views. Ad nauseum...

seriously do you even know someone who is Catholic? Just asking, because it doesn't sound like you do.

Look there are quite a few people out there who were either once Catholic or are non-practicing Catholics. They do say that in the US that the largest religious group is Catholic and the next largest is fallen away Catholics. But me living in an area were it is predominately Protestant, here there are a lot more fallen away Protestants than Catholics.

MennoSota · Feb 14, 2016

Erose said:
uh... That is actually many Protestants who believe saying one sinner's prayer makes you "once saved always saved". So actually that is a Protestant invention not a Catholic one.

So how are they buying their loved ones out of purgatory? I would like to know quite frankly. Being Catholic I've never seen such an operation.

seriously do you even know someone who is Catholic? Just asking, because it doesn't sound like you do.

Look there are quite a few people out there who were either once Catholic or are non-practicing Catholics. They do say that in the US that the largest religious group is Catholic and the next largest is fallen away Catholics. But me living in an area were it is predominately Protestant, here there are a lot more fallen away Protestants than Catholics.

You can't fall away. God either chooses you or He doesn't.
You either believe that baptism saves you, like the Rc teaches, or you don't. Which is it? Do you follow the pope, like a lemming, or do you question him when he says something unsupported by the Bible?

Erose · Feb 15, 2016

MennoSota said:
You can't fall away. God either chooses you or He doesn't.

You can't fall away? Bible teaches the direct opposite. This modern wishful teaching of "Once Saved Always Saved", is not nor has it ever been Scriptural.

MennoSota said:
You either believe that baptism saves you, like the Rc teaches, or you don't. Which is it?

Baptism does save you, that is what Scripture teaches. That being said one can latter reject that salvation and fall back into the world. It's called free will. Read Ez 33.

MennoSota said:
Do you follow the pope, like a lemming, or do you question him when he says something unsupported by the Bible?

Are you just trying to be insulting? I follow God, and am obedient to the authority He has placed over me. "He who rejects you, rejects Me; and he who rejects Me, rejects Him who sent Me."

Here is on display one of the greatest heresies of the modern Christian, I.e turning obedience into a sin, instead of a virtue.

MennoSota · Feb 15, 2016

Erose said:
You can't fall away? Bible teaches the direct opposite. This modern wishful teaching of "Once Saved Always Saved", is not nor has it ever been Scriptural.

Baptism does save you, that is what Scripture teaches. That being said one can latter reject that salvation and fall back into the world. It's called free will. Read Ez 33.

Are you just trying to be insulting? I follow God, and am obedient to the authority He has placed over me. "He who rejects you, rejects Me; and he who rejects Me, rejects Him who sent Me."

Here is on display one of the greatest heresies of the modern Christian, I.e turning obedience into a sin, instead of a virtue.

It seems as though you are leaning on two verses, under the Mosaic Covenant, for your false teaching of free will regarding God's adoption of His children. Those two verses in Ezekiel do not teach loss of salvation. They do present those whom God had never elected in the first place, however. Justification by works is a false holiness that is rejected by God.
God tells us that the elect will never be pulled out of His protective hands. It's not about us, Erose. Why are you preaching works salvation?
So, you follow God and reject papal decries that clearly go against God's word. Correct? That will be a good start...unless you are claiming that the Pope is God, which is heresy.
Obeying an ungodly decree is sin, Erose, which is why obeying the false teachings of the Roman church is sin. The first is the false teaching that infant baptism in the church saves a person from hell. Not one verse can you find in the Bible regarding such a fib.

BobRyan · Feb 15, 2016

While there are a lot of errors in the RCC -- free will is not one of them because you can see in in both Ezek 18 and in Matt 18 in the cases of "Forgiveness revoked".

EastCoastRemnant · Feb 15, 2016

MennoSota said:
It seems as though you are leaning on two verses, under the Mosaic Covenant, for your false teaching of free will regarding God's adoption of His children. Those two verses in Ezekiel do not teach loss of salvation. They do present those whom God had never elected in the first place, however. Justification by works is a false holiness that is rejected by God.
God tells us that the elect will never be pulled out of His protective hands. It's not about us, Erose. Why are you preaching works salvation?
So, you follow God and reject papal decries that clearly go against God's word. Correct? That will be a good start...unless you are claiming that the Pope is God, which is heresy.
Obeying an ungodly decree is sin, Erose, which is why obeying the false teachings of the Roman church is sin. The first is the false teaching that infant baptism in the church saves a person from hell. Not one verse can you find in the Bible regarding such a fib.

So, your contention is that Judas was never called/chosen/predestined even though he was an apostle and was the treasurer of the group? Just a placeholder was he, till God could find someone that He chose?

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