Are you sure it isn't three Gods?

JLB777 said:

31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Ephesians 5:31-32


Can anyone on this thread, name the 4 different individuals mentioned in this mystery?


JLB

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Hi,

Who do you say the four are?

I have four parents for the man and the woman, plus two other individuals, since each parent is also one person in a way when joined, thus we have six persons so far.

The man and woman are two people, once joined they are another person also, thus they alone make three persons.

Jesus is one person, the church is another person in this context, when he united with the church, that makes a third person, so that is three persons also.

Jesus and His Father and The Holy Spirit are Three persons, and in their being One, being God they are then four persons in your way of speaking.

So, the total to me so far is 16, Sixteen persons, if. If I do not include each member of the church separately.

That is my guess.

What is your answer. Who are the only four persons mentioned there that you are suggesting is actually true, rather than my guess?

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Who do you say the four are?

I have four parents for the man and the woman, plus two other individuals, since each parent is also one person in a way when joined, thus we have six persons so far.

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31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Ephesians 5:31-32

The Mystery that Paul is teaching, concerning Christ and the Church, involves 4 individuals.

If you have a mystery that you want to teach concerning 6 people or 6 million people, the start a thread and please explain, with scripture.


The four individuals described in the bible, in Paul's Mystery he is teaching, from Ephesians 5:31-32, are:

1. A man
2. The man's father
3. The man's mother
4. The wife of the man.

This scripture comes from Genesis 2:24, and involves two of the same four individuals, from Paul's Mystery.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Genesis 2:24

Can you identify the two individuals from this scripture, in Genesis 2:24, that are the same in Paul's Mystery?



JLB

JLB777 said:

31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Ephesians 5:31-32

The Mystery that Paul is teaching, concerning Christ and the Church, involves 4 individuals.

If you have a mystery that you want to teach concerning 6 people or 6 million people, the start a thread and please explain, with scripture.


The four individuals described in the bible, in Paul's Mystery he is teaching, from Ephesians 5:31-32, are:

1. A man
2. The man's father
3. The man's mother
4. The wife of the man.

This scripture comes from Genesis 2:24, and involves two of the same four individuals, from Paul's Mystery.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Genesis 2:24

Can you identify the two individuals from this scripture, in Genesis 2:24, that are the same in Paul's Mystery?



JLB

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Hi,

No. Since that scripture is looking back, it is the same as in Paul's time, therefore it is four still as talked about.

Look at the speaker's timing, it is looking back to what happened, from a time after those events took place.

He is speaking from a time when hundreds or thousands of people existed.

If you want to talk about Adam and Eve, and the people involved then, it is the man the woman and Whoever is the man's mother and father.

In Adam's case that might be God, as God may have considered him a son, like us then who are adopted son's and daughter's.

That verse just explains why now a man leaves his mother and father.

I wish you would not tell me what to talk about. Even though it is not mentioned, each woman has two parents also.

That passage was talking about the church, and Jesus, and how He is joined that way in a marriage way, in the two becoming one way.

The church is composed of many people, all son's and daughter's of God.

For you, I will follow your line of thinking, and restrict myself as much as possible to your way of thinking, as long as it does not fool me, and that is possible, nor lead me astray, if I actually follow you and you are wrong.

This thread is about God. I am still waiting for you to tell us what this has got to do with God, The Trinitarian God, the man leaving his father and his mother to be joined as one with the woman.

In Adam's case, ignoring Adam's Parent, leaving God out for you, the two people were the man and the woman.

In Genesis 2:24, it is the man the woman and his two parents, as it is looking backwards in time.

It is not possible to leave God out as Adam's parent. Why are you asking me to do that???????????

LOVE,

ewq1938 said:

Paul is not talking specifically about Adam and Eve. He is using a generic man, woman, and the man's parents....which Adam did not have. Oops!

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Both Adam and Christ had the same Parents.

31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32

This mystery involves Christ and the Church, with Christ joining Himself to His wife, only after He leaves His Father and Mother.

Then Christ and His wife shall also be joined together and become one flesh.


as it is written

He name will be called... Everlasting Father.


For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6


Was Eve created in the image and likeness of God?



JLB

JLB777 said:

Both Adam and Christ had the same Parents.

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Except that Christ only had one parent, Mary. And Adam didn't have any parents at all.

I think using the term "parent" to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son can be misleading as it would seem to indicate some sort of biological affiliation; and it would be entirely inappropriate in any case to compare the eternal, and interior, relationship of the Father and the Son with Adam's relationship to God. Adam is a creature, the Son is uncreated.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Except that Christ only had one parent, Mary. And Adam didn't have any parents at all.

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Jesus Christ is the only Begotten of the Father.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14

God the Father beget His only begotten Son, before the foundation of the world, as the Son is before all things and created all things.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15-18


31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32


This mystery involves Christ and the Church, with Christ joining Himself to His wife, only after He leaves His Father and Mother.

Then Christ and His wife shall also be joined together and become one flesh.


as it is written

He name will be called... Everlasting Father.


For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6


Was Eve created in the image and likeness of God?



JLB

Hi,

Here is an article on Nontrinitarianism which is also Antitrintarianism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

As stated earlier, also simply said, The Spiritual Director Affirmed God I saw, and The God I know, Is Trinitarian.


LOVE,

JLB777 said:

Jesus Christ is the only Begotten of the Father.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14

God the Father beget His only begotten Son, before the foundation of the world, as the Son is before all things and created all things.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15-18


31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:31-32


This mystery involves Christ and the Church, with Christ joining Himself to His wife, only after He leaves His Father and Mother.

Then Christ and His wife shall also be joined together and become one flesh.


as it is written

He name will be called... Everlasting Father.


For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6


Was Eve created in the image and likeness of God?



JLB

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Hi,

Did you already tell us your point being raised, what it was, by asking us if Eve was created in the image and likeness of God?

I cannot figure out why you are asking that. I replied as best as I could, which is yes, because she was taken out of Adam, she is similar to Adam, but God did not tell us more than that.

Did He tell you more?

LOVE,

JLB777 said:

Jesus Christ is the only Begotten of the Father.

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Correct. But the Lord Jesus only has one parent, that is, only one biological parent: His mother Mary. When the Word became flesh, became man, He was conceived of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and born of her.

Adam is neither the only-begotten Son and Logos, uncreated and eternal. Nor was Adam born of Mary's womb. Thus no, Adam and Christ don't have the same "parents".

Was Eve created in the image and likeness of God?

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Yes.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Correct. But the Lord Jesus only has one parent, that is, only one biological parent: His mother Mary. When the Word became flesh, became man, He was conceived of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and born of her.

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Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

This was before the foundation of the world, and has nothing to do, with Him becoming flesh.

Jesus is before all things. He was begotten of the Father, before all things.

That's why He is called the firstborn over creation, as He Himself created all things, together with God the father and the Holy Spirit.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Colossians 1:15-17

You are mixing His being begotten before all things, with Him coming into the world by becoming flesh.

He appeared to Moses, to Abraham and others in the OT.


JLB

JLB777 said:

You are mixing His being begotten before all things, with Him coming into the world by becoming flesh.

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I'm not. I agree that He is the eternally begotten Son of the Father. That isn't what I was addressing.

I was addressing that Christ only has one biological parent: Mary.

-CryptoLutheran

I believe in one God, three Persons. If someone has a religion of three gods, the similarity or difference of the faith of that person doesn't really matter as to whether I'm right or they're right.

Sketcher said:

I believe in one God, three Persons. If someone has a religion of three gods, the similarity or difference of the faith of that person doesn't really matter as to whether I'm right or they're right.

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Your belief does not align with what the scriptures teach.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

These three are one.


Your belief is "this One" is three.

That is the "Oneness" doctrine.



JLB

ewq1938 said:

No, Adam had zero parents. He was not begotten like Christ was.

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Who was Adam's Father?

I will give you a hint: 38 the son of Enosh,the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38


JLB

ViaCrucis said:

Adam is neither the only-begotten Son and Logos, uncreated and eternal. Nor was Adam born of Mary's womb. Thus no, Adam and Christ don't have the same "parents".

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Adam has God as his Father. Luke 3:38

Jesus has God as His Father. John 3:16



JLB

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Did you already tell us your point being raised, what it was, by asking us if Eve was created in the image and likeness of God?

I cannot figure out why you are asking that. I replied as best as I could, which is yes, because she was taken out of Adam, she is similar to Adam, but God did not tell us more than that.

Did He tell you more?

LOVE,

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Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;...

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 1:26-27

One member of the "Us" must be female if Eve was created in the image and likeness of God.


JLB

JLB777 said:

Your belief does not align with what the scriptures teach.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

These three are one.


Your belief is "this One" is three.

That is the "Oneness" doctrine.



JLB

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I don't see any Sabellianism from that post, by itself; rather, Sabellianism is a conflation of the prosopa or their reduction into modes.

Wgw said:

I don't see any Sabellianism from that post, by itself; rather, Sabellianism is a conflation of the prosopa or their reduction into modes.

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Gibberish...

The Truth: These three are one.



JLB