The New Covenant

The Old Covenant is being fulfilled in Israel today (since 1948).

The New Covenant is being fulfilled in the Christian nations that have ruled the earth since 312 AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered all the known world for Jesus with a bow. The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus.

Rockshe said:

Hmm, Interesting but can you explain how Israel is fulfilling the Old Covenant now? and how exactly the new one is being fulfilled because I don't really see the US as being a nation "For God" with the amount of sinful and hurtful practices it supports.

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As for the Jews, they were punished for 1900 years or so for killing Jesus. God evidently decided that is enough and now the first covenant is restored.

As for the US, you make a good point about the US today. But for 200 years we were an exemplary Christian nation, and you cant argue with the fact that we rule the earth. Today, we are doing things like killing babies and performing same-sex marriages which I'm pretty sure is displeasing to God. That's why God will, and even now is raising up the 5th horseman. In "2016 in Bible Prophecy" (on the web at the7lastplagues.com) I'm predicting that the 5th horseman will added to NATO, completing the picture of the 24 nations that will defeat the last face of Satan and then rule the earth in peace for Jesus for a thousand years. In the next several years the 5th horseman will no doubt grow in strength and eventually surpass the US as the most powerful nation on earth.

Rockshe said:

Hmm, interesting view. But do you have any proof or scriptural evidence the first covenant was renewed? Even so in the terms of circumcision/uncircumcision covenant they are still doing it wrong. Sense the right way as in the old testament would just be slit or cut to allow it to bleed and do the 'ritual" Not to remove because think about it 99.0% would die from the procedure back then. Sense they are still doing it horrable wrong it shows me that the first covenant has not been renewed or if it has they have not been following it correctly. And for the horseman, Hmm, True the 1st horseman might be US, I see that the 2nd horseman might actually be Germany sense they have took peace from the earth various times and will probably do it again. With the help of US instead though. 3rd rider probably would be different from the others and would be the bank/corporation or the UN, The Vatican. Sense they would hold 'The Scale" And the 4th would be ISIS with control over the muslim world

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Rockshe said:

Hmm, interesting view. But do you have any proof or scriptural evidence the first covenant was renewed? Even so in the terms of circumcision/uncircumcision covenant they are still doing it wrong. Sense the right way as in the old testament would just be slit or cut to allow it to bleed and do the 'ritual" Not to remove because think about it 99.0% would die from the procedure back then. Sense they are still doing it horrable wrong it shows me that the first covenant has not been renewed or if it has they have not been following it correctly. And for the horseman, Hmm, True the 1st horseman might be US, I see that the 2nd horseman might actually be Germany sense they have took peace from the earth various times and will probably do it again. With the help of US instead though. 3rd rider probably would be different from the others and would be the bank/corporation or the UN, The Vatican. Sense they would hold 'The Scale" And the 4th would be ISIS with control over the muslim world

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As for God's covenant made with the Jews, about 3 1/2 years after the Great Tribulation known as WW II, the Jews were resurrected from the dead so to speak, and Israel (God's first covenant) was restored.

As for the second covenant, made with Christians, the first horseman to rule the earth for Jesus was St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. The Byzantine Empire reigned until 1453, well over a thousand years. The 2nd horseman to rule the earth for Jesus was Roman Catholic kings who conquered with a great sword, and took peace from the earth during the Crusades. The kings and knights of the Middle Ages preferred stout red horses over white horses because they were better able to support the added weight of their body armor. They also reigned for over a thousand years. The 3rd horseman is Great Britain which was founded by King James who rode a black racing horse that England is famous for. The British Empire conquered with economics. And as I said, the US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death to His enemies.

Rockshe said:

I see what you mean but I believe that the great tribulation is yet to begin and will happen within the next 100-200 years. Nor has the horseman really been sent out yet or will be soon. I don't see any scriptural evidence of the first Covenant ever being renewed.

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All of the prophecies concerning the great tribulation were fulfilled in WW II. For example, close to 200 million horses (under the hood) were unleashed on D-Day against Hitler the antichrist and the third of the earth aligned with him. And 144,000 single male Jews escaped the great tribulation by fleeing to the Holy Land where they played a leading role in reestablishing Israel.

Rockshe said:

True but the chances are it was not exactly 144,000 which would destroy that argument.

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The history books say 100,000 of them joined the new Israeli army, and 44,000 were consciencious objectors (i.e., Ultra-Orthodox Jews).

I don't see Hitler being the antichrist at all he did not fulfill the prophecy in my opinion Not really a third of the world aligned against him more 3/4th of it aligned against him just look at the british and french empire at the time. Your wrong about that part. And I see where your coming from with these theories but I don't see any scriptural proof of it as of yet.

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In another place, the Revelation says 10 nations would be aligned with the antichrist, and 10 nations were indeed aligned with Hitler. And his Third Reich (of Rome) was the third head number six of the 666 trilogy.

Nor do I recognize the current Israel as the "real Israel" or the "Real Jews"

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I have no idea why you would think that. A Jew by birth is certainly a real Jew. I guess you could argue that Christians are adopted Jews, but there are two separate covenants.

Rockshe said:

It was more then 10 countries that aligned with hitler. There was the 3 Big nations Germany, Italy and Japan 6 other nations that were actually apart of the axis, 2 belligerent states which were not a part of the axis nor alligned with hitler. and 12 client states. and actually it was over 1million jews that fought in ww2.

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The principal nations that were aligned with Hitler are Germany, Italy, Japan, Austria, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Thailand, Finland, and Iraq. That's ten, as prophesied in Rev. 17:12. When you add in the 14 "client" nations and the many nations conquered by the Axis powers (like Poland and France, and much of Africa and Asia), that's a third of the earth. Plus WW II lasted exactly 3 1/2 years and Hitler killed millions of God's two witnesses (Jews and Christians), and the 7 last plagues are now being poured out, so there can be little or no doubt that Hitler was the antichrist.

"...if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Rockshe said:

Now we all should know that the old "Covenant" was abolished or "fulfilled" when Jesus Christ fulfilled it.
Romans 7:6 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Mathew 5:17 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Now from what I can tell and see, is that we are no longer under the "old law" or the 'Law of Moses"
Romans 7:6 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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The Law is still very much binding upon us. As you've already quoted Jesus' words - he did not come to abolish it or remove even the smallest matter in the Law. He came to expound its true meaning (Jesus' meaning of 'fulfill' in Matt 5).

The difference is that we have a better priest, a better mediator, a better sacrifice, a better temple, a better king, etc... We are subject to the Law but we have Jesus Christ. And our relationship with God is not based on our obedience to the Law, but on Jesus' obedience.

18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. - 1 Cor 7:18-20

"Is any man called being circumcised" <- The Old Covenant
*Is any man called in uncircumcision" <- The New Covenant

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What Paul is saying here is that we have a better circumcision - the circumcision of Jesus Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Physical circumcision is, therefore, now irrelevant. It is neither positive nor negative, spiritually speaking.

Now that I have posted a quote that may or may not show what the "New Covenant" is lets get to the point based on these quotes I have come to the conclusion that anyone who is "Willfully" Circumcised is now committing a sin and has to keep the 'Old Law" or the "Old Covenant"

As seen in Galatians 5
"2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."
"3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."
"4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
"6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Let me restate it Based on these quotes I come to the conclusion that anyone that is willfully circumcised or commits the act on others, Is than subject to the whole law and the 'Old Covenant" or I should say "Mosaic Law or Jewish Law"

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What Paul means here is that if anyone seeks to establish their relationship with God by virtue of their obedience to the Law (accepting circumcision in a salvific sense) then they have fallen from grace and Christ is of no advantage to them.

Whether or not you're circumcised doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not you have Jesus Christ.

Rockshe said:

Now we all should know that the old "Covenant" was abolished or "fulfilled" when Jesus Christ fulfilled it.

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There is a difference between a set of laws and an agreement to follow that set of laws. God is holy, righteous, and good, so He always has had such a conduct, and the law is holy, righteous, good (Romans 7:12) because it is a reflection of God's character and it is His instructions for how to have such a conduct. So the way to have such a conduct existed from the beginning and independently from any covenant. As part of the New Covenant, we are still told to have a holy, righteous, and good conduct (1 Peter 1:14-16, 1 John 3:10, Ephesians 2:10), so that means we are to follow God's instructions for how to do that in His law.

Romans 7:6 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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In Romans 7:1-6, Paul said he was addressing this part to those who knew the law, so he was using an example from the law to illustrate a point rather using a parable where everything in it is representative of something else. We can't be represented by the wife because we are dying to the law and it is the husband that dies and we can't be represented by the husband because it is the wife who is free to get married to another. In the example, when the woman's husband dies, she is not set free to break the law so that she is now free to murder, break the Sabbath, steal, etc., but rather she is only set free from the aspect of the law that would condemn her if she were to live with another man while her husband was still alive. If she were to get married to another man, then she would again be subject to that same aspect of the law. In the same way, dying to the law does not permit us to break it, but frees us from being condemned by it. We died to the law, but we didn't stay dead, but rather we rose to newness of life in Messiah so that we are not free to follow his example of obedience to the law.

Mathew 5:17 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

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To fulfill the law is a rabbinic technical term that is found in other Jewish literature that is used to mean to demonstrate a full understanding of the law through words or actions, so it talks about other people fulfilling or abolishing the law. Likewise, Galatians 5:14 says that loving your neighbor fulfills the whole law, so everyone since Moses who has done that has fulfilled the whole law. After saying he came to fulfill the law, Jesus then proceeded to fulfill it six times in the rest of the chapter by teaching how to fully understand the law, so it was not unique event done Jesus to do away with the law.

Now from what I can tell and see, is that we are no longer under the "old law" or the 'Law of Moses"

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I agree that we are not under the law, but I disagree that that means that we are free not to obey it. The law is what gives us knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20), without the law we wouldn't even know what sin is (Romans 7:7), sin is defined as lawlessness (1 John 3:4), and we are not permitted to sin (Romans 6:15), so we are not permitted to disobey God's law. Rather not being under the law refers to not being under its power to condemn us for breaking it, which is the point Paul is concluding in the next chapter (Romans 8:1).

18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. - 1 Cor 7:18-20

"Is any man called being circumcised" <- The Old Covenant
*Is any man called in uncircumcision" <- The New Covenant

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The law does not actually require all Gentiles to become circumcised, so by rejection those who were trying to make it a requirement, they were upholding the law, as Paul says we are to do by faith (Romans 3:31).

Now that I have posted a quote that may or may not show what the "New Covenant" is lets get to the point based on these quotes I have come to the conclusion that anyone who is "Willfully" Circumcised is now committing a sin and has to keep the 'Old Law" or the "Old Covenant"

As seen in Galatians 5
"2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."
"3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law."
"4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
"6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Let me restate it Based on these quotes I come to the conclusion that anyone that is willfully circumcised or commits the act on others, Is than subject to the whole law and the 'Old Covenant" or I should say "Mosaic Law or Jewish Law"

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The law was never given to provide a means for our justification, but rather it was given, among other reasons, to draw attention to our sin. Our salvation is from sin, so our salvation is from disobeying God's law for the purpose of coming into obedience to it. We are new creations in Christ not by doing good works, but for the purpose of doing good works (Ephesians 2:10) and it is the law that instructs how to train in righteousness and do every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). We are to train in righteousness not in order to become righteous, but because we have been declared righteous by faith.

The problem with Galatians was that they had been saved by faith, but they had begun to listen to those who were saying that they had to obey the law according to their traditions in order to be saved. Faith has always been the one and only way to be saved, so trying to become saved by obeying the law is in fact perversion of it. So we should be careful not to confuse Paul coming against this as him coming against God's holy, righteous, and good law, which he said that he delighted in (Romans 7:22). The good that Paul seeks to do in Romans 7:13-20 is to obey God's law by walking in the Spirit by faith. Obeying God's law is the way to identify with God, not the way to identify with Jews.

What is New Covenant Theology?

It is the New Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ.

It was foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and was spoken by the Savior Himself at Matthew 26:28, during the Last Supper. It was "finished" at Calvary (John 19:30). It is "now" in effect at Hebrews 8:6 and has made the Sinai covenant "obsolete" at Hebrews 8:13. It is found at Hebrews 12:24 as the New Blood Covenant and is "everlasting" at Hebrews 13:20.

It is the Gospel that Paul said was the only Gospel at Galatians 1:6-9.

It has frustrated Reformed Covenant Theologians who want to claim it is a "renewal" of the Sinai covenant. They also claim the 10 commandments were in effect with Adam and Eve, even though in Galatians chapter 3 the Apostle Paul says the Law was added 430 years "after" the Promise to Abraham.

It has frustrated Dispensationalists who claim the Age of Grace will end at the pretrib rapture of the Church and then God will go back to dealing with the modern nation of Israel under the now "obsolete" Sinai covenant, even though the New Blood Covenant is "everlasting" at Hebrews 13:20.
We also find a problem with their position in Revelation 12:11, because a person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Blood Covenant. Once one realizes that the covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Covenant which is "now" in effect, Dispensational Theology starts to come apart at the seams.

It is the Promise made to Abraham and found fulfilled at Galatians 3:16. We inherit the Promises through Christ, who is the One Seed. Galatians 3:29.

It is the thing that unites all of the denominations into One Church.




The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

NC Theology David H J Gay Ministry: It is Finished
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2bwFoazA4

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BABerean2 said:

What is New Covenant Theology?

It is the New Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ.

It was foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and was spoken by the Savior Himself at Matthew 26:28, during the Last Supper. It was "finished" at Calvary (John 19:30). It is "now" in effect at Hebrews 8:6 and has made the Sinai covenant "obsolete" at Hebrews 8:13. It is found at Hebrews 12:24 as the New Blood Covenant and is "everlasting" at Hebrews 13:20.

It is the Gospel that Paul said was the only Gospel at Galatians 1:6-9.

It has frustrated Reformed Covenant Theologians who want to claim it is a "renewal" of the Sinai covenant. They also claim the 10 commandments were in effect with Adam and Eve, even though in Galatians chapter 3 the Apostle Paul says the Law was added 430 years "after" the Promise to Abraham.

It has frustrated Dispensationalists who claim the Age of Grace will end at the pretrib rapture of the Church and then God will go back to dealing with the modern nation of Israel under the now "obsolete" Sinai covenant, even though the New Blood Covenant is "everlasting" at Hebrews 13:20.
We also find a problem with their position in Revelation 12:11, because a person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Blood Covenant. Once one realizes that the covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Covenant which is "now" in effect, Dispensational Theology starts to come apart at the seams.

It is the Promise made to Abraham and found fulfilled at Galatians 3:16. We inherit the Promises through Christ, who is the One Seed. Galatians 3:29.

It is the thing that unites all of the denominations into One Church.

The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

NC Theology David H J Gay Ministry: It is Finished
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2bwFoazA4

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Don't forget part 2

JaeMelo said:

Don't forget part 2

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The New Blood Covenant was foretold at Jeremiah 31:31-34 as a covenant that would be different from the Sinai covenant.


It should be one of the greatest tools to help us reach out to the Jewish people by letting them know that Jesus of Nazareth was the One who fulfilled what was recorded by Jeremiah.

Sadly, very few Churches today teach about the New Covenant.

Let us see if we can change that...
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New Covenant Theology Timeline Chart

http://www.ptsco.org/context-garylong-chart.pdf

The New Covenant foretold in the Old Testament...