Partial Preterist Only "En Route to Global Occupation" World Government

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Wanting a one world government is not the same as having one - and there is not going to be one.
...and STOP comparing yourself to Jeremiah.

"...and there is not going to be one."

Since you are the one making the prophecy above, maybe you should take your own advice...

Are you a Hillary supporter?
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Saying that something is NOT going to happen is NOT a prophesy. Saying that there IS going to be a one world government IS a prophesy. Saying that there IS going to be a Rapture IS a prophesy.
Saying that there isn't going to be a one world government is NOT a prophesy.
Saying that there isn't going to be a Rapture is NOT a prophesy.
Saying that Barack Obama isn't the antichrist is NOT a prophesy.

Who I support is NONE of your business.
 
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Saying that something is NOT going to happen is NOT a prophesy. Saying that there IS going to be a one world government IS a prophesy. Saying that there IS going to be a Rapture IS a prophesy.
Saying that there isn't going to be a one world government is NOT a prophesy.
Saying that there isn't going to be a Rapture is NOT a prophesy.
Saying that Barack Obama isn't the antichrist is NOT a prophesy.

Who I support is NONE of your business.

I did not start out intending to hurt your feelings about Hillary.

I actually voted for her husband the first time he ran for president.

It must have been quite a shock for you to see that she has supported the World Federalist Association in the past.

Prophecy is usually spelled with a "c".

Spelling is also one of my many weaknesses, along with being paranoid.

I have to take responsibility for my weaknesses...

 
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I did not start out intending to hurt your feelings about Hillary.

I actually voted for her husband the first time he ran for president.

It must have been quite a shock for you to see that she has supported the World Federalist Association in the past.

Prophecy is usually spelled with a "c".

Spelling is also one of my many weaknesses, along with being paranoid.

I have to take responsibility for my weaknesses...

When I wrote "prophecy" with a c, then my computer said that it was spelled wrong. When I wrote it with an s, then it didn't give that notification.
 
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It seems to me that many people don’t see how the Bible prophesies tie together to make a whole coherent picture.
There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.

Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.

The problem the promoters of the OWG have, is the refusal of the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. We all prefer to do our own thing and with the current world situation, this works OK. There are hiccups with nations that mismanage their economies, but it is against the interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt.

So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there has to be some kind of dramatic event to start this process. That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone!

The recent agreement with Iran gives them the green light to proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent tests of nukes and missiles in North Korea is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their religion pushes them into it. Ezekiel 35:6, Proverbs 8:32

However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all, Psalms 11:4-6, virtually depopulating the entire Middle East region. Ezekiel 7:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 49:35, Isaiah 34:5, Zephaniah 2:4-5 and many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath.
The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy. Not quite as planned, but a similar result!

What happens to all the true believers in the Lord? Raptured to heaven? Nowhere does the Bible say that will happen at any time. 1 Peter 3:12 says it clearly; it will be the fiery test of our faith and we must stand firm, believing in His protection. Then: look up, for our redemption is near. Luke 21:25-28 Jesus will Return within 20 years.

*Google - 10 world regions.
 
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keras , I thought we were supposed to be looking for ten horns to come out of the 4th beast kingdom or Roman empire which also matches king nebs statue of two iron legs with 5 toes on each foot thus giving us 10.
So I'm trying to figure out how some people are coming up with 10 regions of the world.
 
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I thought the beast was the Roman Empire - - - is this the "one world government" you speak of? It was pretty much the government of the known world at the time...

Not exactly correct. The Ancient Roman empire was not the center of the known world. That's a common "euro-centric" form of historical "revisionism", for which you'd likely receive a "Failing" grade on any college level paper that stated this as a historic fact.

Ancient Rome never conquered Parthia, the Arsacid dynasty (better known as Persia). They never conquered the Tamil States of the Pandyan, Chola or Chira dynasties of the Indian Subcontinent. Nor did they conquer the lands of Serica and Sinae, which comprised the Han dynasty and which is known as China today. They also failed to conquer the Kingdom of Kush, (The African/Post Eqyptian empire of Nubia). That pretty much constitutes a very large slice of the civilized world that completely escaped Roman domination.

As for the rest of the known world, the Romans never conquered Scandinavia (The Baltics), Northern Briton (The Celts) where emperor Hadrian eventually had to build a wall across Briton to protect Roman territory, or Hibernia (The Roman name for Ireland), as well as the Central Asian lands and tribes of Koth. None of these "iron age" civilizations of the ancient world were ever conquered by the Romans.

The fact the Ancient Romans had knowledge of these contemporary kingdoms, dynasties, empires and lands is well documented by the Romans themselves, (who were excellent record keepers). Rome had trade with all of these people. In fact, after Eqypt was conquered, the Romans were introduced to Chinese silk which was highly prized by the Romans. While Roman glass products made their way to ancient China. The Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius sent the first official envoy to China in 166 A.D.

So you may want to revisit the assumption Ancient Rome constituted a one world government, as well as the unfounded conjecture and popular Futurist mythology about the "Resurrected Roman Empire" of End Time Bible prophecy representing a one world government as well.
 
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Stephen, thanks for the reply. I am well aware that Rome did not conquer all of the known world (and even less than the "unknown world" like here in Australia). I didn't know some of the material you posted though such as relations with China. Interesting...

Despite this, I don't see where in the Bible it states that we will need a one world government. Also, why is a one world government necessarily a bad thing???
 
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keras , I thought we were supposed to be looking for ten horns to come out of the 4th beast kingdom or Roman empire which also matches king nebs statue of two iron legs with 5 toes on each foot thus giving us 10.
So I'm trying to figure out how some people are coming up with 10 regions of the world.
Daniel 7:24 The 10 horns signify 10 kings, [leaders of the 10 divisions of this last days kingdom, that will encompass the whole earth] then one king will take overall control. Revelation 13:12-13
Note that Daniel 7:23-27 has to be an end times prophecy, when all authority will be given to the holy people of God.
 
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why is a one world government necessarily a bad thing???[/QUOTE]


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During World War II the powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan attempted to produce a One World Government under their control.

My father and uncles risked their lives to stop the effort.

Go to the graveyard at Normandy.

Then look at the thousands of gravestones and ask the question.

Americans live in a rare time in human history.

Our forefathers left Europe to escape the dictates of tyrants.

What man could be trusted to control the destiny of the entire human race?


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Stephen, thanks for the reply. I am well aware that Rome did not conquer all of the known world (and even less than the "unknown world" like here in Australia). I didn't know some of the material you posted though such as relations with China. Interesting...

Despite this, I don't see where in the Bible it states that we will need a one world government. Also, why is a one world government necessarily a bad thing???
After Jesus Christ returns, THEN there will be a one world government AND 1000 years of world wide peace.
Humans will NOT be able to ever produce a one world government, regardless of "Christian" paranoia.
 
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I do not agree with Hal Lindsay on many issues.
However, he got most of it correct in this report.
Much of this information is a matter of the historical record and therefore cannot be relegated to the "paranoid" category, used by some who do not like facing reality.

 
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After Jesus Christ returns, THEN there will be a one world government AND 1000 years of world wide peace.
Humans will NOT be able to ever produce a one world government, regardless of "Christian" paranoia.
I agree that all the earth will be ruled over by Jesus at His Return.
But you deny Bible prophecy when you assert that there won't be one before that. Daniel 7:23 and Rev 13:1-2 confirm there will be a OWG, but when the judgement comes, it will be destroyed... Daniel 7:26
However, this forthcoming OWG will not encompass every nation, as the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, won't belong to it. That is why the leader of the OWG comes to them and makes a 7 year treaty of peace. Daniel 9:27
 
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I agree that all the earth will be ruled over by Jesus at His Return.
But you deny Bible prophecy when you assert that there won't be one before that. Daniel 7:23 and Rev 13:1-2 confirm there will be a OWG, but when the judgement comes, it will be destroyed... Daniel 7:26
However, this forthcoming OWG will not encompass every nation, as the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, won't belong to it. That is why the leader of the OWG comes to them and makes a 7 year treaty of peace. Daniel 9:27
If a one world government does not encompass EVERY nation, then it is NOT a one world government.
That's just simple logic.
 
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If a one world government does not encompass EVERY nation, then it is NOT a one world government.
That's just simple logic.
Pedantic foolishness!
Bible prophecy states this forthcoming OWG will 'devour the whole earth', Daniel 7:23. But we know from careful study of all the prophesies, that the Lord's holy people, [pray to be among them,] will occupy the holy Land, being at last as God wanted His people to be. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10
Proved by many scriptures saying how the leader of this OWG comes to them, makes a peace treaty, then breaks it.
 
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Pedantic foolishness!
Bible prophecy states this forthcoming OWG will 'devour the whole earth', Daniel 7:23. But we know from careful study of all the prophesies, that the Lord's holy people, [pray to be among them,] will occupy the holy Land, being at last as God wanted His people to be. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10
Proved by many scriptures saying how the leader of this OWG comes to them, makes a peace treaty, then breaks it.
I'm Sorry - but YOUR argument is foolishness.
Why would a one world government need to make a peace treaty? If they would need to make a peace treaty, then the country that they are making this peace treaty with, isn't a part of this one world government.
Do you even know what a one world government is?
 
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Bible prophecy states this forthcoming OWG will 'devour the whole earth', Daniel 7:23

Ah now I can see why you and I are having different thoughts on this matter , but first I'll place the scripture:

The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;

When I read this I take the first half to be the old Roman Empire , from which 10 horns "SHALL" arise in the future , which for me then matches the ten toes on king Nebs statue.

But when you read it you see "AND SHALL DEVOUR THE WHOLE EARTH" as meaning the entire planet. You know that Rome didn't really control the entire planet so you figure it must be talking about the 10 horns , or at least that is what I'm thinking your saying.
lol...this is doing my head in , hope you can get back to me on this before I go crazy.
 
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I'm Sorry - but YOUR argument is foolishness.
Why would a one world government need to make a peace treaty? If they would need to make a peace treaty, then the country that they are making this peace treaty with, isn't a part of this one world government.
Do you even know what a one world government is?
Your last question is rude and condescending.
The reason I believe the Leader of the OWG will come to the new nation of Beulah, is because Bible prophecy says he will. Daniel and Revelation are perfectly clear on this.

Brian45, your belief that that this forthcoming OWG will be confined the extent of the old Roman empire, is an error, proved by how those who now promote such a concept, have divided the world into 10 regions, the whole earth. Excepting: those whom God calls, will go to live in all of the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Read carefully Isaiah 49:8-23 People from every tribe, nation and language, all true believers in God, will be there. Revelation 7:9
 
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Your last question is rude and condescending.
The reason I believe the Leader of the OWG will come to the new nation of Beulah, is because Bible prophecy says he will. Daniel and Revelation are perfectly clear on this.

Brian45, your belief that that this forthcoming OWG will be confined the extent of the old Roman empire, is an error, proved by how those who now promote such a concept, have divided the world into 10 regions, the whole earth. Excepting: those whom God calls, will go to live in all of the holy Land, the new nation of Beulah. Read carefully Isaiah 49:8-23 People from every tribe, nation and language, all true believers in God, will be there. Revelation 7:9
Whether it is rude and condescending, it doesn't appear that you know what a one world government even is.
 
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