Apparent Age & The Incredible Foreknowledge of God

Loudmouth · Feb 11, 2016

Aman777 said:
Sure and please tell us WHY all Chimps didn't evolve Adam's superior intelligence?

Because their lineage did not have the same mutations as the human lineage.

WHY can this monumental event NOT be repeated?

Why should it be repeated? Different lineages experience different selective pressures and different combinations of mutations which results in different outcomes.

Now present your data which shows HOW Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's Gen 3:22, got INSIDE an Ape, Chimp or any other creature, transforming it into a Human.

What Adam?

The ONLY way it could and did happen, was by Inheriting it from Adam, since he was made long BEFORE any other living creature, Gen 2:4-7 with an intelligence superior to ANY other creature since Humans are destined to have dominion over ALL other living creatures when Jesus returns. Gen 1:28 Amen?

You need evidence for those claims.

Aman777 · Feb 11, 2016

Loudmouth said:
There is no worse than a creationist who claims to have evidence but will never present it.

What's worse is when a Creationist posts empirical historic evidence and Evolutionists dismiss it as nothing. Here's a good example. It shows HOW and WHEN prehistoric people changed from prehistoric to Human intelligence. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Loudmouth · Feb 11, 2016

Aman777 said:
What's worse is when a Creationist posts empirical historic evidence and Evolutionists dismiss it as nothing. Here's a good example. It shows HOW and WHEN prehistoric people changed from prehistoric to Human intelligence. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

How does that evidence your claim?

Why don't you use the invention of the airplane as the demarcation between the two?

Aman777 · Feb 11, 2016

Loudmouth said:
Because their lineage did not have the same mutations as the human lineage.

Why should it be repeated? Different lineages experience different selective pressures and different combinations of mutations which results in different outcomes.

What Adam?

You need evidence for those claims.

The evidence is below and NO Evolutionist has been able to explain. It's empirical historic evidence of the arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet, WHERE God told us they arrived Gen 8:4 with evidence which shows the First city building, First math, writing and EVERY other modern Human trait first appeared in this area. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Godless people who have rejected God's Truth, which shows that Adam NEVER took a step on Planet Earth, and yet there are some 7 Billion of his descendants here, alive today, CANNOT explain. All they can do is blaspheme God's Truth in a desperate attempt to save their False Religion of evolutionism. It's because they have been brain washing our children for more than 50 years with their False beliefs.

It happened by a series of positive mutations over time in a population of prehistoric people, they CLAIM, but forget that evolution has no direction, EXCEPT in this case of changing prehistoric people into the descendants of Adam. Amen?

Loudmouth · Feb 11, 2016

Aman777 said:
The evidence is below and NO Evolutionist has been able to explain. It's empirical historic evidence of the arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet, WHERE God told us they arrived Gen 8:4 with evidence which shows the First city building, First math, writing and EVERY other modern Human trait first appeared in this area.

Tool use shows up way before that, as I already showed you. Your claim is false.

The appearance of farming is the same as the appearance of the airplane. Are you really saying that Adam showed up 100 years ago?

It happened by a series of positive mutations over time in a population of prehistoric people, they CLAIM, but forget that evolution has no direction, EXCEPT in this case of changing prehistoric people into the descendants of Adam. Amen?

Evolution does have a direction, towards increased fitness. One of the traits in our lineage that increased fitness was intelligence.

Aman777 · Feb 11, 2016

Loudmouth said:
How does that evidence your claim?

Why don't you use the invention of the airplane as the demarcation between the two?

Prehistoric people (sons of God) had their origin in water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 They were NOT Humans but they could produce children with Humans (descendants of Adam). Gen 6:4 When the Ark arrived, it brought with it the grandsons of Noah. They had NO other Humans to marry so they married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had diverged from Chimps 6 Million years earlier. Gen 10:8

What it produced was today's Humans who are ALL hybrids since we have inherited Adam's superior intelligence AND the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people. Godless people have rejected God's Truth of the flood and mistakenly assumed that prehistoric people morphed into thinking Humans. They will make up any false story but they will NEVER admit that they are mistaken since that would mean their secular Theory of Evolution was totally False. Amen?

Nic Samojluk · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said:
You seem to ignore that, following the flood, there was no wood for new large boats to be built.

True, but eventually trees did grow thus providing material for Noah's descendants to build boats or rafts.

Nic Samojluk · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said:
Not long, once the science of building large boats had been developed - about 3000 years after the supposed flood.

3,000 years to develop the ability to build a raft or small boat?

Nic Samojluk · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said:
If you want to choose your Genesis beliefs, then please present an argument supporting Genesis and refuting LastThursdayism.

This is very easy. I know for a fact that God did not create Adam and Eve last Thursday because I will be 84 years old soon and I am a descendant of the first man.

Nic Samojluk · Feb 11, 2016

Jimmy D said:
Where does it mention that in Genesis? "Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar."

God gave us two books: The Bible and Nature. Learning by observing Nature is not adding to God's words.

Nic Samojluk · Feb 11, 2016

Queller said:
Why are you convinced that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?

Because it agrees with what we can observe in nature.

ecco · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said: ↑
Geologists from many different religions, including Christianity, believe the Grand Canyon to be millions of years old.

Nic Samojluk said:
Yes, but reality often ignores the opinion of the majority. Plate tectonics was rejected by the majority of scientists. Today it is accepted as sacred truth.

And today it is accepted FACT that the Grand Canyon is millions of years old.

You believe (based on your interpretation of religion) that the world is millions of years old - so you can accept plate tectonics.
You believe (based on your interpretation of religion) that the flood took place thousands of years ago - so you cannot accept the Grand Canyon is millions of years old.

Don't you see that your religious beliefs force you to pick and choose which sciences to accept and reject?

ecco · Feb 11, 2016

Nic Samojluk said:
I have listened to these LLU scientists for nearly five decades, and I do not know a single one of them who defends the inerrancy of Scripture. They believe that the Bible was inspired--not dictated-- for practical purposes: the salvation of souls.

They pick and choose which parts of scripture to accept as fact and which parts of scripture to accept as allegory.
You pick and choose which parts of scripture to accept as fact and which parts of scripture to accept as allegory.

Because of that...

They pick and choose which parts of science to accept as fact and which parts of science to disregard.
You pick and choose which parts of science to accept as fact and which parts of science to disregard.

That is not a rational approach.

Larniavc · Feb 11, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
You have to read my posts if you want to see the evidence I present. I am constantly presenting scientific evidence that shows the historical accuracy of the Bible. The usual answer is that proving the Bible is accurate as a history book does not prove the non historical claims. That is fine, what I am asking is why do non believers reject the historical accuracy of the Bible that has been proven to be true again and again. Esp though the science of archaeology in the last 100 years. Now with DNA we have new evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. For example the Cohan Gene is evidence for the accuracy of the claim of the Hebrew priesthood.

So do not say I am not presenting evidence because there is a LOT of evidence being presented right here in this thread. One has to do with archaeology and the evidence that branch of science presents. The other has to do with Biology and the evidence that DNA has to present. We can go on and on all day long for the rest of our lives. I can continue to give you evidence. You can continue to reject that evidence even though you are rejecting science when you reject the evidence that science presents. Then you will again try to claim I did not give you any evidence.

You're doing it again. You're talking ABOUT this mythical evidence you claim to have rather that presenting it in the body of your post.

We've been down this path before, you and I.

Your approach is to assert, present no evidence, change the subject, refer to the Bible, change the subject, claim you have already presented evidence, another reference to the Bible, claim I (for example) would not believe the evidence anyway so you won't present it, rinse and repeat ad nausaem; until my (for example) head unscrews from my neck and falls into a basket.

ecco · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said: ↑
Why do you believe that sinkholes must be caused by something extra terrestrial?

Nic Samojluk said:
Many scientists believe that some of the sinkholes were produced by the impact of meteorites. I feel no need to prove either way.

I would think all scientists know the difference between a sinkhole and a meteor creator. I doubt that you could list any who confuse the two. If you are basing your "scientific knowledge" on people who do not know the difference, well, that explains a lot.

Larniavc · Feb 11, 2016

Nic Samojluk said:
This is very easy. I know for a fact that God did not create Adam and Eve last Thursday because I will be 84 years old soon and I am a descendant of the first man.

Not so. You were created with the apparent age of 83 last Thursday.

If you can refuted that I will be very impressed.

Loudmouth · Feb 11, 2016

Aman777 said:
Prehistoric people (sons of God) had their origin in water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 They were NOT Humans but they could produce children with Humans (descendants of Adam). Gen 6:4 When the Ark arrived, it brought with it the grandsons of Noah. They had NO other Humans to marry so they married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had diverged from Chimps 6 Million years earlier. Gen 10:8

Where is the evidence for these claims?

ecco · Feb 11, 2016

Nic Samojluk said:
There have been many cases of scientists whose careers have been ruined because of their views. One of them is Raymond Damadian, the inventor of the magnetic resonance imaging machine, who was denied the Nobel prize because he had creationists views.

Nonsense. Read the article here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Vahan_Damadian#Awards_and_honors

The only places that indicate it had anything to do with his religious beliefs are creationists sites that try to make science and scientists look bad.

Einstein did not get a Noble Prize for relativity. Was he denied that honor because he was a creationist?

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...bel-for-relativity-he-won-it-for-this/380451/

Albert Einstein never won a Nobel prize for the theory of relativity—in fact, it was only through long, political jockeying within the Nobel committee that he won the prize at all. Instead, when he was given the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics (in 1922, after a long bout of internal Nobel hand-wringing), he received it primarily for his explanation of the photoelectric effect. Extraordinarily enough, he came up with both his relativity theory, and the photoelectric effect in the same year: 1905.

Before you make nonsensical comments, you really have to look at facts. Not just "facts" that agree with your biased beliefs.

ecco · Feb 11, 2016

ecco said: ↑
Collins is one of the founders of BioLogos, an organization that firmly asserts creationism is WRONG!

Nic Samojluk said:
Yes, but Collins took the first step towards Christianity when he abandoned atheism. I hope he will ome day take the second step and embrace it.

You are saying that because he, a Christian, asserts creationism is WRONG, he hasn't really embraced Christianity.

Realistically, he just hasn't embraced your pick and choose views of scripture.

Aman777 · Feb 11, 2016

Loudmouth said:
Where is the evidence for these claims?

In your genes. In order to separate the two, today's science must advance to the Genesis 101 level. It should be soon. This knowledge also is revealed in Genesis One IF you have the proper understanding. Seek the AGREEMENT of Genesis with every scientific and historic discovery of mankind, and you can find it in Genesis chapter one. This includes future events at the end of the present 6th Creative Day. Amen?

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