Contraception use fell and Medicaid births rose after Texas defunded Planned Parenthood.

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
Never said that...I said, no way to the pity party...they don't want pity..i even explained what they wanted.

You don't know all rape victims. You brought up "pity party" which is the ultimate in contempt.

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

MerlinJ said:
The unborn are potential lives. There are more than enough living children who need your help.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/afcarsreport22.pdf

If that's not enough for you, maybe you could try adopting the hundreds of millions of non-American orphans.

They have a heart beat, they have motor functions, they have a brain and nervous system. There alive. They may not be jumping up and down on a couch. Please your smarter than that.

Again, what is it with the irrelevant rhetoric. I could try to adopt the hundreds of millions of non-American orphans...guess what so could you.

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

Hetta said:
Is there anything else you think women should be forced to do?

Again, didn't say women should be forced to do anything, except realize that the child has rights also.

In the end. These women will have to stand before God and be judged. I hope and pray that they are Born Again, before that happens. And realize that even though they had a child abort them God still sent His son for them to be Saved.

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

Hetta said:
You don't know all rape victims. You brought up "pity party" which is the ultimate in contempt.

No I don't and I didn't say all. I said the ones I counsel...please read the thread correctly.

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
Again, didn't say women should be forced to do anything, except realize that the child has rights also.

In the end. These women will have to stand before God and be judged. I hope and pray that they are Born Again, before that happens. And realize that even though they had a child abort them God still sent His son for them to be Saved.

Do you read your own posts?

I'm advocating to force the right of the child over the mother.

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
No I don't and I didn't say all. I said the ones I counsel...please read the thread correctly.

You used the term pity party. You said "they don't want a pity party" when nobody else had used that term. You brought it up, and it is a term of contempt.

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

Hetta said:
Yes! More violation. Let's pile it on that woman. She can be penetrated violently, have a fetus implanted without her consent, then forced to carry it in her body, give birth to it, and give it away.

Let me quote it the way it really should sound...

"Let's pile it on that woman, She can be penetrated violently, and have a fetus implanted without her consent, then forced to carry the child in her body, give birth to the child and give the child away."

You see a difference here. I don't call a child an "it". I call the child a child. Because that is what it is.

As long as you look at a child as an inanimate object. that's all it's going to be.

You have to separate the two.
Rape is one subject...which doesn't always lead to impregnation.
Being pregnant is another subject. Even if you have consensual sex, the egg Is fertilized without your consent.

Again, no excuse for killing a child.

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

Hetta said:
Do you read your own posts?

yeah, and I tend to repeat them, because they are being misquoted

Edmond Smith · Feb 10, 2016

DivineMarissa said:
We are talking about an embryo or fetus.

I'm talking from Conception.

What is it?

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
I'm talking from Conception.

What is it?

At conception that collection of cells does not have a heart beat.

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
yeah, and I tend to repeat them, because they are being misquoted

They are being exactly quoted.

Hetta · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
Let me quote it the way it really should sound...

"Let's pile it on that woman, She can be penetrated violently, and have a fetus implanted without her consent, then forced to carry the child in her body, give birth to the child and give the child away."

You see a difference here. I don't call a child an "it". I call the child a child. Because that is what it is.

As long as you look at a child as an inanimate object. that's all it's going to be.

You have to separate the two.
Rape is one subject...which doesn't always lead to impregnation.
Being pregnant is another subject. Even if you have consensual sex, the egg Is fertilized without your consent.

Again, no excuse for killing a child.

Like I said, if someone is killing children, call the cops.

Consensual, unprotected sex = consent for fertilization.

MerlinJ · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
They have a heart beat, they have motor functions, they have a brain and nervous system. There alive. They may not be jumping up and down on a couch. Please your smarter than that.

They're potential lives because they would die immediately if not for their mother. Yes, they're living in a sense, but they're not yet individual people. They are therefor her responsibility and her decision.

Edmond Smith said:
Again, what is it with the irrelevant rhetoric. I could try to adopt the hundreds of millions of non-American orphans...guess what so could you.

It's not at all irrelevant. I'm pointing out that there are plenty of born children who could use this passion for their well-being that you've been displaying. I find that a lot of pro-life advocates are curiously unconcerned with kids after they're born.

Calvinist Dark Lord · Feb 10, 2016

AirPo said:
Making things up is not Occam's Razor.

Actually, it is.

From Wikipedia:Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Hypothesis.

Nice try though.

TLK Valentine · Feb 10, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
Let me quote it the way it really should sound...

"Let's pile it on that woman, She can be penetrated violently, and have a fetus implanted without her consent, then forced to carry the child in her body, give birth to the child and give the child away."

Not always an option... some states (too many, imo) give the rapists rights over the children they father...

PreachersWife2004 · Feb 10, 2016

GoldenBoy89 said:
The child of a case of rape should never exist in the first place.

Huh? I must be reading this out of context. There are many children born from rapes who exist.

Hetta said:
You lost me at "but". When you can carry a child, come back and tell me how easy it is.

Been there, done that. So what opinion am I allowed to have again?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Feb 11, 2016

Aryeh Jay said:
But on the flip side, there are now zero abortions in Texas, 0, not a single abortion, nope, nada, zilch.

I doubt that. People pay for their abortions. I'm sure nothings stopped abortions in Texas. The only thing has happen is people, that aren't financially prepared. Are having birth and tax payers are paying for them, since they didn't have better access to birth control or just didn't use them. These people would have never had an aborting any ways. Also I'm sure if Texas were to rid of abortions. They would just go else where.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Feb 11, 2016

keith99 said:
I have a problem seeing the defunding of Planed Parenthood as causing an increase of births.

PP was defunded in mid October 2015, it is now mid February 2016.

The only way that could account for an increase in births paid for by Medicaid is through a huge decrease in late term abortions, a large enough increase that I suspect it would be over 100% of such performed before the cut.

Or maybe a big loss in employment in these areas. Or woman choosing to not work and stay with their babies.People still would pay for late term abortion. They are very expensive. And I doubt Texas did them pass a certain term. Some people have to travel else where for these.

The Cadet · Feb 11, 2016

Edmond Smith said:
Forgiveness.

If you continue to have someone violate you when they aren't around. You are not the one in control. They are.
The child didn't violate anyone. The child is a product of that violation. But he or she isn't a violation to anyone.

That's just it. It is an innocent child. At what point did the child do anything?

Every single point? Let's be clear here - during the course of a pregnancy, that child significantly changes a woman's body chemistry, appearance, hormonal balance, et cetera. Having a child makes you a very different person in a lot of respects. Not to mention there's a non-trivial risk involved.

Beyond that, the insistence that this is the case even in the case of rape is particularly gross. Imagine that you, against your will, are bound down and surgically connected to a midget with a serious medical disorder. He needs to use your kidneys, and if you remove him before the treatment is finished, he's going to die. I somehow get the feeling you'd probably object quite vigorously to being told that you could not legally detach yourself from this obnoxious, painful, sickening (in a literal sense; he will in fact make you physically ill, much like the variety of medical complications that pregnancy cause) nuisance.

And yet, would it not be the case that doing so would be murder, according to your logic? The only substantial difference here is that the midget is not a child, and last I checked, people continue to have the right to life after they leave the womb, no?

Edmond Smith said:
So, there is NO excuse for killing a Child, at all.

There's also no excuse for violating a woman's right to bodily sovereignty. And here's the thing - that "child"?

It's a mass of cells lacking most human functions, thoughts, feelings, the ability to feel pain, et cetera. Whereas the woman is a thinking, breathing, conscious, cognizant human being. So maybe you can understand my distaste with violating her rights for the sake of the rights of a clump of cells. After all, she can just make another one.

Calvinist Dark Lord said:
From Wikipedia:Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Would you care to explain why "women have less access to birth control" has more assumptions than "women are just having more children"?

Hetta · Feb 11, 2016

PreachersWife2004 said:
Been there, done that. So what opinion am I allowed to have again?

Was I speaking to you or to a man?

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