If you are still sinning you do not belong to Jesus Christ

Wgw · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
That wasn't the question. Are holy angels perfect, yes or no?

They are inferior in station to Orthodox priests, in that they are not allowed to look upon the face of our Lord God incarnate.

DivineMarissa · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
Haha, this is exactly the false doctrine I am combating!

How is this false??

civilwarbuff · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
Indeed, but if you keep on deliberately committing adultery then there is no atonement for sin.

Why? Does God take back the free gift He has given you? Is it one and done? He forgives us once then never again? Do parents forgive their children once and then never again? Does our Father forgive us once then never again? Knowing our flawed and fallen nature what kind of God would do such a thing? Knowing we will fail, He holds out hope to us then jerks it back at our first missed step? My God does not do that....He is forever forgiving even though I do not deserve it.

cgaviria · Feb 10, 2016

royal priest said:
What if, you've committed it only a few times, but after each time diligently seek to confess and forsake that sin?

You will be forgiven as many times as necessary until you become born of God, and from henceforth never sin again as is declared in scripture, from that point that you are born again. If, however, you never become born of God, and still sin, even ever so sparingly, and ask God for forgiveness each time, you will not be forgiven, because you never became born of God. We all must become baptized in holy spirit to be saved. This baptism in holy spirit is what causes you to never sin again, as it is impossible for you to ever stop sinning on your own. Having holy spirit is as s possession of a spirit, except by a spirit that is holy and brings forth perfection and sanctification by the removal of inner evil desires that are the root of sin.

Extraneous · Feb 10, 2016

For me, being born again is about actually being born again. Its when i leave this world and all its sin behind. In the mean time, i try my best and i persevere in hope, each day, as if each day were brand new.

royal priest · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
You will be forgiven as many times as necessary until you become born of God, and from henceforth never sin again as is declared in scripture, from that point that you are born again. If, however, you never become born of God, and still sin, even ever so sparingly, and ask God for forgiveness each time, you will not be forgiven, because you never became born of God. We all must become baptized in holy spirit to be saved. This baptism in holy spirit is what causes you to never sin again, as it is impossible for you to ever stop sinning on your own. Having holy spirit is as s possession of a spirit, except by a spirit that is holy and brings forth perfection and sanctification by the removal of inner evil desires that are the root of sin.

This post is unclear. If it is impossible to stop sinning on your own, and if you don't receive the Spirit until you stop sinning, then how will you ever reach the point at which you stop sinning and receive the Spirit?

Wgw · Feb 10, 2016

DivineMarissa said:
How is this false??

Rest assured, it's not. This does not mean we should "sin boldly" as Martin Luther suggested, but rather that recurrent sin is not cause for despair (itself, interestingly, a sinful passion according to the Orthodox; its something I find myself confessing to most frequently).

cgaviria · Feb 10, 2016

royal priest said:
This post is unclear. If it is impossible to stop sinning on your own, and if you don't receive the Spirit until you stop sinning, then how will you ever reach the point at which you stop sinning and receive the Spirit?

You can stop sinning on your own, meaning if you are stealing, you can stop stealing. What you can't do on your own, is remove your own evil desires, and thus whenever opportunity for sin comes in the future, you will likely fall because of evil desires. So what you need to do is completely stop sinning dead on its tracks, which you can do, and them become baptized in holy spirit, which then brings forth that removal of all evil desires, and causes you to actually never sin again.

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
The holy spirit is indeed an angel,

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord, is most certainly not an angel - but you won't accept that.

If he was, then how could anyone blaspheme against him and why is this sin so serious that it can't be forgiven?

parousia70 · Feb 10, 2016

antletems said:
But, then again, cgaviria could be the most perfect guy on planet earth!

Well, He is Devilishly Handsome. I'll say that much. He's got a Jawline for miles, and those abs... I bet you could bend a horseshoe on those abs.

civilwarbuff · Feb 10, 2016

@cgaviria

civilwarbuff said:
No, there are many non-faith based organizations doing God's work.....they just don't know it.

Persecution will find me soon enough....I don't need to go looking for it.
Years ago I attended OSU and one summer a preacher and his "entourage" set up a tent on the Oval and they began to preach. From what I do remember was they did preach the Word. What troubled me was the way it was preached. It was done in a clownish way, in a way certain to draw ridicule, curses, laughter, derision, etc.....At first I wondered why they did that and then slowly I could see that they reveled in it....they fed off of it....they desired it.....because it meant they were being persecuted......and is that not what happens to Christians? But they went looking for persecution, they sought it out,....I still wonder if God honors them for that....What I am trying to say, I guess, is don't be like them. Persecution is coming, don't go looking for it; it will find you soon enough.

royal priest · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
You can stop sinning on your own, meaning if you are stealing, you can stop stealing. What you can't do on your own, is remove your own evil desires, and thus whenever opportunity for sin comes in the future, you will likely fall because of evil desires. So what you need to do is completely stop sinning dead on its tracks, which you can do, and them become baptized in holy spirit, which then brings forth that removal of all evil desires, and causes you to actually never sin again.

But, what about the 10th commandment?

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
Haha, this is exactly the false doctrine I am combating!

It's only you who says that it's false - and that's no laughing matter.

cgaviria · Feb 10, 2016

Strong in Him said:
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord, is most certainly not an angel - but you won't accept that.

If he was, then how could anyone blaspheme against him and why is this sin so serious that it can't be forgiven?

That's easy to answer, the same type of holy spirit that is given now is the same type of angel that did not forgive transgression that was guiding the Israelites,

"See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. (Exodus 23:20 [NIV])

And this is why even when Ananias and Sapphira lied to the holy spirit inside Peter, that they died, because they sinned against the holy spirit inside Peter,

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? (Acts 5:3 [NIV])

When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:5 [NIV])

And even in Isaiah we have a reference to this angel, being the holy spirit that they rebelled against,

In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:9-10 [NIV])

These angels do not forgive sins. Hence why they kill when they are sinned against. Anyone who sins against a holy spirit inside a believer will be killed by that holy spirit.

cgaviria · Feb 10, 2016

civilwarbuff said:
Why? Does God take back the free gift He has given you? Is it one and done? He forgives us once then never again? Do parents forgive their children once and then never again? Does our Father forgive us once then never again? Knowing our flawed and fallen nature what kind of God would do such a thing? Knowing we will fail, He holds out hope to us then jerks it back at our first missed step? My God does not do that....He is forever forgiving even though I do not deserve it.

Obviously if you are still sinning you have not received the free gift. The free gift is what causes you to never sin again.

Wgw · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
Any man that teaches that you can commit adultery and still be saved will be rebuked by me. Even your own catholic church agrees with me, and even excommunicates people from the church for certain sins such as this. It infuriates me to hear such false teachings, and these teachings are very common among the protestants, who are very sexually permissive, even concerning divorce and remarriage, even the allowance of contraceptives, which your very own catholic church also forbids.

The Roman Catholic church does not precisely teach that. Rather they teach that a remarried person cannot receive the Eucharist unless they commit to celibacy. They do not teach that person is inherently damned no matter what.

civilwarbuff · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
Obviously if you are still sinning you have not received the free gift. The free gift is what causes you to never sin again.

A very incomplete answer.....

cgaviria · Feb 10, 2016

royal priest said:
But, what about the 10th commandment?

You can also stop coveting, as coveting involves a lust that involves imagining yourself having whatever you're lusting after. So if for example, you are imagining yourself having sex with your neighbor's wife, that is covetousness, because you are imagining it, and thus that is exactly what is adultery of the heart, because you are imagining the sexual act in your mind. However, aside from covetousness, your own evil desires still linger, and that is what the holy spirit completely removes, just mere desires. And thus you will also never covet again, because your evil desires have been wiped out.

royal priest · Feb 10, 2016

Uh, coveting, lusting Greek epithumeo means desiring. Romans 7:7-8

edit: James 1:14-15

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2016

cgaviria said:
That's easy to answer, the same type of holy spirit that is given now is the same type of angel that did not forgive transgression that was guiding the Israelites,

And this is why even when Ananias and Sapphira lied to the holy spirit inside Peter, that they died, because they sinned against the holy spirit inside Peter,

And even in Isaiah we have a reference to this angel, being the holy spirit that they rebelled against,

These angels do not forgive sins. Hence why they kill when they are sinned against. Anyone who sins against a holy spirit inside a believer will be killed by that holy spirit.

No. But there's no point in debating or giving verses of Scripture; you won't change your opinion.

I have read testimonies from well known Christians who have sinned big time, lost their reputation, been disciplined and/or had counselling and been forgiven by God and been restored. It happens, and God is good, forgiving, loving and merciful.
Christians still sin, repent and are forgiven. We are being changed into Jesus' image and likeness but are not there yet.

Don't they have prayers of confession and absolution at your church on Sunday?

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