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Because as Ravi says, to give truth to one who does not love the truth is to only give them more ammunition for misunderstanding.

Then why are you talking with me then?
If you cannot reach me then there is no use talking with me.
Or are you just here to insult me like you have done before?

Also, have you considered that explaining the passage and it's context might help somebody else?


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Then why are you talking with me then?
If you cannot reach me then there is no use talking with me.
Or are you just here to insult me like you have done before?

Also, have you considered that explaining the passage and it's context might help somebody else?

Nobody in their right mind would ever look at that passage and see what you see there. If you could see the truth, and if you loved the truth, you would have never quoted a verse that clearly discredits and denies everything that you are about, and somehow try to spin it to make it support the very thing it is teaching against.
 
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As for Galatians:

The words "Law" or "Works of the Law" is in reference to the Law of Moses. This is evident if you were to do a keyword search on the words "circumcised" and "circumcision" at https://www.blueletterbible.org .

For circumcision was a part of the Old Law or the Law of Moses and it is not a part of the Laws or Commands given to us in the New Testament.


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Nobody in their right mind would ever look at that passage and see what you see there. If you could see the truth, and if you loved the truth, you would have never quoted a verse that clearly discredits and denies everything that you are about, and somehow try to spin it to make it support the very thing it is teaching against.

But that's not really a word by word commentary of the verse that helps to prove your case here, though.
Don't do it for me, but do it for a fellow brother.


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Jason0047 said:
the Eternal Security Proponent is not taking the Narrow way. Why? Well, because they believe they can sin and still be saved

Jason, that is a flat-out lie. No one here has stated that. You have accused this over and over and over and despite being corrected mu,ltiple times, you persist in bearing false witness about it. Every time you do so, you remove yourself that much farther from your "goal" of "sinless perfection". In fact, in doing so, you are involved in willful and persistent sin. The very kind of sin you are so critical of, and assume your opponents are engaged in continually. Remember what Jesus said about removing the beam from your own eye before attempting to remove the speck from your brothers' eye?. That applies to you in this instance, as though that Scripture was written and recorded just for you.

Stop with the false accusations, bearing false witness, and outright sinning against your brethren. Your theology needs to be re-thought, because you've gotten some parts of it horribly and fatally wrong.
 
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Jason0047 said:
But that's not really a word by word commentary of the verse that helps to prove your case here, though.
Don't do it for me, but do it for a fellow brother.

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (John 8:31).


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"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (John 8:31).....

Hmmmm...that's what we're doing here, Jason. Continuing in His Word.
 
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"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (John 8:31).


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LOL. You prove my point well. You do not love scripture. You use scripture to hide behind. You use it as a smoke screen to try and prevent others from seeing your folly.
 
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Jason, that is a flat-out lie. No one here has stated that. You have accused this over and over and over and despite being corrected mu,ltiple times, you persist in bearing false witness about it. Every time you do so, you remove yourself that much farther from your "goal" of "sinless perfection". In fact, in doing so, you are involved in willful and persistent sin. The very kind of sin you are so critical of, and assume your opponents are engaged in continually. Remember what Jesus said about removing the beam from your own eye before attempting to remove the speck from your brothers' eye?. That applies to you in this instance, as though that Scripture was written and recorded just for you.

Stop with the false accusations, bearing false witness, and outright sinning against your brethren. Your theology needs to be re-thought, because you've gotten some parts of it horribly and fatally wrong.

I am not making false accusations. You believe contrary to the teaching on God's Word that a believer can stop sinning.

1 Peter 4:1 says, they that suffered in the flesh have ceased (stopped) from sin.
Galatians 5:24 says, they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts.
David said he hid His Word (i.e. God's Word) within his heart so that he may not sin against Him (Psalm 119:11).
Jesus said to two people to "sin no more." (John 5:14) (John 8:11).
In fact, Jesus said to the man he healed in John 5, to:"sin no more, unless a worse thing comes upon you." If you were to talk to this man who was healed, do you think you could convince him to sin and still be saved? If so, how would he not be violating Jesus's command here?
Jesus said, be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48). The Father is perfect because he is holy and sinless.
Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." (Matthew 5:8).
"Follow ... holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Hebrews 12:14).
Romans 6:14 says, "sin shall not have dominion over you." Does sin have dominion over a believer if they are enslaved to it?
Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin (John 8:34).
1 Corinthians 10:13, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Jesus said, "with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26). This would obviously include overcoming sin.
The 144,000 is also a future testimony to believers who are completely dedicated to God and were found without fault before the throne of God (Revelation 14:4-5). These believers will live here upon this Earth. So if it is possible for them, then it is possible for you, too.

So if you are against the teaching of holiness and in refusing to stop in your sin like the Bible clearly teaches, then you are making an excuse to sin. There is no other excuse.


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LOL. You prove my point well. You do not love scripture. You use scripture to hide behind. You use it as a smoke screen to try and prevent others from seeing your folly.

You know. People laughed at Jesus in an insulting way (Luke 8:53). What do you think you are doing?


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You're not Jesus. And no one is laughing at you because of some delusion you have that you are being persecuted in the same way and for the same reasons as Jesus was.

Jesus said,

"If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; "
(John 15:20).


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"You", is not you. But it's big of you to think so of yourself.

Jesus said,

35 "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
(Matthew 12:35-37).


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Jesus said,

35 "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
(Matthew 12:35-37).

Like I said, you hide behind scripture.
 
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Like I said, you hide behind scripture.

We are commanded to preach the Word (2 Timothy 4:2).

Also, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4).


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We are commanded to preach the Word (2 Timothy 4:2).

Also, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4).

Then preach the Word....preach Jesus. And stop preaching your ungodly doctrine of works.
 
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Then preach the Word....preach Jesus. And stop preaching your ungodly doctrine of works.

Jesus does the works in a believer if Jesus is living in a person.
For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5).
But if one does not have Jesus, means one does not have life or salvation (1 John 5:12).
No Jesus, means they do not have any fruit or works.
Which means they are denying Him in works (Titus 1:16).
For faith without works is dead (James 2:17).


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Jesus does the works in a believer if Jesus is living in a person.
For Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5).
But if one does not have Jesus, means one does not have life or salvation (1 John 5:12).
No Jesus, means they do not have any fruit or works.
Which means they are denying Him in works (Titus 1:16).
For faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

Okie dokie then........:rolleyes:o_O:rolleyes:
 
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