Why do you believe in the trinity when God and his word is simple

Righttruth said:

Please quote the verses in support of your thinking.

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Righttruth said:

Please quote the verses in support of your thinking.

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Hi,

Again you want that?

Your ignoring all I talk about, must mean that you know God, and that I have been fooled.

Above with your other like minded poster, you are saying that I have been fooled.

Do also then what he is supposed to do, please. Pretty please. Really.

He is being requested to let God handle me, as I have been fooled in knowing God.

Read my response to him. I do not know that I am fooled. You do. You do know that I have been fooled.

It is now, no longer your job anymore, just like with Adam.

Adam did not tell her, his truth, which is and was the truth, then let God deal with her.

He did not do that. God still dealt with her and corrected her.

You have corrected me. I know you are wrong, and that is being fooled, very fooled, very very fooled.

Thank you for trying to un-deceive me. You are not the first. God will be very pleased with you, for not budging with me. Adam did not do that. You did.

I am though firmly committed to , your version, of me being deceived, of being fooled, of KNOWING GOD Trinitarianly, of believing that The Spiritual Director knew what he was doing, of testing with God Himself, like Gideon did, to have God do something or not, a very very very difficult thing with long lasting effects for me, in the year 2008, and when God did that precise thing, in the precise exact timing set up by the priest for that, that after hearing the results from me weeks later, said that forever I do know God, as The Holy Spirit just verified in that test, by that test that indeed, the person before him, was dealing with God, and no other, for more than two years.

I don't have and do not want a choice anymore, in believing what I have been shown is true by The Holy Spirit, and pronounced to me by an expert in this, who is not me, Father Matt, a now deceased old then Roman Catholic priest.

I understand that you say I have been fooled. I accept your words.

To you, I have been fooled. Your job is over.

To me, not only did I know always, but in faith that I was not fooled, and now I know by others, and now know why their work was valid, I also know in fact, that I actually know God personally.

I am not the only one like me either. I know of a teenager who in a town called Stubenville, who had an encounter with God similar to mine.

He exactly knows what I know about God, and I just met him.

Yes, to you I am fooled. It is now God's job only to take care of me. You and the other person here don't listen to what I say anyway. You reject everything I say.

You are claiming, I am fooled, and that you are correct, and I am not, by ignoring all I have said so far.

I understand your point. Never will I ever Agee with it, except by being deceived and sinning.

I am sure that I am still capable of being deceived and sinning still. But, I cannot be a willing part to being, fooled, deceived or sinning ever. I chose that position. It is not negotiable. I chose it forever, in giving up my free will to God, in written contractural form, about 20 years ago or so, and He has accepted the terms of that contract. I will not rescind that contract ever. God knows that also.

That too, that contract has been affirmed by God.

I understand what you have said. All of it.

Please choose to listen to my words about this being between God and me or not.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Again you want that?

Your ignoring all I talk about, must mean that you know God, and that I have been fooled.

Above with your other like minded poster, you are saying that I have been fooled.

Do also then what he is supposed to do, please. Pretty please. Really.

He is being requested to let God handle me, as I have been fooled in knowing God.

Read my response to him. I do not know that I am fooled. You do. You do know that I have been fooled.

It is now, no longer your job anymore, just like with Adam.

Adam did not tell her, his truth, which is and was the truth, then let God deal with her.

He did not do that. God still dealt with her and corrected her.

You have corrected me. I know you are wrong, and that is being fooled, very fooled, very very fooled.

Thank you for trying to un-deceive me. You are not the first. God will be very pleased with you, for not budging with me. Adam did not do that. You did.

I am though firmly committed to , your version, of me being deceived, of being fooled, of KNOWING GOD Trinitarianly, of believing that The Spiritual Director knew what he was doing, of testing with God Himself, like Gideon did, to have God do something or not, a very very very difficult thing with long lasting effects for me, in the year 2008, and when God did that precise thing, in the precise exact timing set up by the priest for that, that after hearing the results from me weeks later, said that forever I do know God, as The Holy Spirit just verified in that test, by that test that indeed, the person before him, was dealing with God, and no other, for more than two years.

I don't have and do not want a choice anymore, in believing what I have been shown is true by The Holy Spirit, and pronounced to me by an expert in this, who is not me, Father Matt, a now deceased old then Roman Catholic priest.

I understand that you say I have been fooled. I accept your words.

To you, I have been fooled. Your job is over.

To me, not only did I know always, but in faith that I was not fooled, and now I know by others, and now know why their work was valid, I also know in fact, that I actually know God personally.

I am not the only one like me either. I know of a teenager who in a town called Stubenville, who had an encounter with God similar to mine.

He exactly knows what I know about God, and I just met him.

Yes, to you I am fooled. It is now God's job only to take care of me. You and the other person here don't listen to what I say anyway. You reject everything I say.

You are claiming, I am fooled, and that you are correct, and I am not, by ignoring all I have said so far.

I understand your point. Never will I ever Agee with it, except by being deceived and sinning.

I am sure that I am still capable of being deceived and sinning still. But, I cannot be a willing part to being, fooled, deceived or sinning ever. I chose that position. It is not negotiable. I chose it forever, in giving up my free will to God, in written contractural form, about 20 years ago or so, and He has accepted the terms of that contract. I will not rescind that contract ever. God knows that also.

That too, that contract has been affirmed by God.

I understand what you have said. All of it.

Please choose to listen to my words about this being between God and me or not.

LOVE,

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This doesn't answer my simple question! Please the quote the verses; we shall consider your feelings later.

Righttruth said:

This doesn't answer my simple question!

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You made a statement, disguised as a question.

A simple question would be something like how many instances are there, where people have seen God in The Bible.

Post 853:
You were given (more than) 37.

Please the quote the verses; we shall consider your feelings later.

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Feelings are not part of this discussion so far, nor have they been.

An assessment of why you ignored the several several Biblical passages, and chose to place yourself in a position of authority Biblically, such that you also say that in post 855, you were not shown that The Lord spoke to Job out of a whirlwind, which you should know already, meaning God spoke to Job, not a god, but God did, and there also is where Job said he saw God, and you ignored that, by some mechanism, was given.

My guess was, you are saying that for sure you know God, and those, who Know God scripturally, or in faith, or by ways of being In The Spirit, that they too are all wrong, because of your superior, knowledge, intellect, or organization who has taught you.

Why else would you be so dismissive, of looking at the entire Bible? It is because you don't need it. You already understand God, enough to know the rest of us are wrong?

That was my guess.

I did not post emotions, that I know of or feelings.

I posted my guess based on your actions.

I will put here again. The places where people have seen God by someone else's personal work.

I will put here my own work, if any work can be called mine considering what scripture says about all things coming from God, on Job seeing God, also, after I look them up again.

1.) http://www.immanuelapproach.com/2012/08/15/people-in-scripture-who-saw-god-appendix-5/

2.)
Hi,
Job 38
The Lord Answers Job

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind....

Job 42:5

I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;

Although, no Biblical work can be called our or my, this is from my own knowledge of part of what I know about Job seeing God.

Job, with his own eyes, saw The Lord.

By your words earlier, Job did not see God. If you did not mean that, fine.

But to say that the word 'true', not being there, changes the meaning of The Lord in Job, to other than meaning God, as you have been saying accidentally or on purpose, is almost impossible to understand, if The Entire Bible is used, and not just a few passages that give information on the depth of God, the characteristics of God, and a hard to understand detail of God, but not the entire description or picture nor personality of God.


LOVE,

stuart lawrence said:

you stand on the egotistical mind of man

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No, I stand on the Scriptures and the witness of the Holy Spirit. Christ is always subject to The Father, and we are subject to Christ and the Holy Spirit. But I am done with this conversation.

I returned to this forum to give thanks to The Father for the testimony of his Holy Spirit and confirmation to the gospel I preach. I have some unsaved friends who openly declare they are atheist. Yesterday the wife told me that a woman who has been unable to drive herself because of blindness and has relied on others brought her car in to their shop to be serviced and was delighted to tell them that after attending a service in Molong Community Church she was able to see and could drive unaided after being prayed for "twice".

Val told me this because she said, "Who can deny it? We knew she was disabled in this way and now she is driving herself."

Even her husband, who is determined never to hear the gospel admitted, agreeing with me when I replied, "This is why I pray for the sick: because it can happen."

God is good because I can do nothing except he is the one doing the works. I am just a man and I depend wholly on him and his son Jesus Christ. May The Father be blessed forever, amen.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

No, I stand on the Scriptures and the witness of the Holy Spirit. Christ is always subject to The Father, and we are subject to Christ and the Holy Spirit. But I am done with this conversation.

I returned to this forum to give thanks to The Father for the testimony of his Holy Spirit and confirmation to the gospel I preach. I have some unsaved friends who openly declare they are atheist. Yesterday the wife told me that a woman who has been unable to drive herself because of blindness and has relied on others brought her car in to their shop to be serviced and was delighted to tell them that after attending a service in Molong Community Church she was able to see and could drive unaided after being prayed for "twice".

Val told me this because she said, "Who can deny it? We knew she was disabled in this way and now she is driving herself."

Even her husband, who is determined never to hear the gospel admitted, agreeing with me when I replied, "This is why I pray for the sick: because it can happen."

God is good because I can do nothing except he is the one doing the works. I am just a man and I depend wholly on him and his son Jesus Christ. May The Father be blessed forever, amen.

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Indeed glory to God forever. However, whatever a persons particular belief concerning this

subject is Immaterial concerning miracles happening, all you need to believe is Christ is THE only TRUE son of God, the rest of us are adopted into the family of God. That is if you stand on the bible, not man!
Many in oneness churches can testify to miracles, as can those who do not accept an equal trinity
However, the fact remains Jesus said the father was the only true God and greater than he. The holy spirit will lead NO ONE to disagree with the spoken words of Christ, only the natural mind can do that

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

No, I stand on the Scriptures and the witness of the Holy Spirit. Christ is always subject to The Father, and we are subject to Christ and the Holy Spirit. But I am done with this conversation.

I returned to this forum to give thanks to The Father for the testimony of his Holy Spirit and confirmation to the gospel I preach. I have some unsaved friends who openly declare they are atheist. Yesterday the wife told me that a woman who has been unable to drive herself because of blindness and has relied on others brought her car in to their shop to be serviced and was delighted to tell them that after attending a service in Molong Community Church she was able to see and could drive unaided after being prayed for "twice".

Val told me this because she said, "Who can deny it? We knew she was disabled in this way and now she is driving herself."

Even her husband, who is determined never to hear the gospel admitted, agreeing with me when I replied, "This is why I pray for the sick: because it can happen."

God is good because I can do nothing except he is the one doing the works. I am just a man and I depend wholly on him and his son Jesus Christ. May The Father be blessed forever, amen.

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Ie
I was healed as a child. Both my parents who prayed for my healing had my views on this subject. A man a couple of us prayed for was healed, and I had the same views then concerning this subject I have now. However, though I say this i am uncomfortable mentioning such things in debates such as this. The glory is always Gods because we accept his son as our saviour NOT because we believe formulas concerning father, son and holy spirit that to put it mildly are not stated in the bible

katerinah1947 said:

You made a statement, disguised as a question.

A simple question would be something like how many instances are there, where people have seen God in The Bible.

Post 853:
You were given (more than) 37.



Feelings are not part of this discussion so far, nor have they been.

An assessment of why you ignored the several several Biblical passages, and chose to place yourself in a position of authority Biblically, such that you also say that in post 855, you were not shown that The Lord spoke to Job out of a whirlwind, which you should know already, meaning God spoke to Job, not a god, but God did, and there also is where Job said he saw God, and you ignored that, by some mechanism, was given.

My guess was, you are saying that for sure you know God, and those, who Know God scripturally, or in faith, or by ways of being In The Spirit, that they too are all wrong, because of your superior, knowledge, intellect, or organization who has taught you.

Why else would you be so dismissive, of looking at the entire Bible? It is because you don't need it. You already understand God, enough to know the rest of us are wrong?

That was my guess.

I did not post emotions, that I know of or feelings.

I posted my guess based on your actions.

I will put here again. The places where people have seen God by someone else's personal work.

I will put here my own work, if any work can be called mine considering what scripture says about all things coming from God, on Job seeing God, also, after I look them up again.

1.) http://www.immanuelapproach.com/2012/08/15/people-in-scripture-who-saw-god-appendix-5/

2.)
Hi,
Job 38
The Lord Answers Job

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind....

Job 42:5

I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;

Although, no Biblical work can be called our or my, this is from my own knowledge of part of what I know about Job seeing God.

Job, with his own eyes, saw The Lord.

By your words earlier, Job did not see God. If you did not mean that, fine.

But to say that the word 'true', not being there, changes the meaning of The Lord in Job, to other than meaning God, as you have been saying accidentally or on purpose, is almost impossible to understand, if The Entire Bible is used, and not just a few passages that give information on the depth of God, the characteristics of God, and a hard to understand detail of God, but not the entire description or picture nor personality of God.


LOVE,

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I am preparing a detailed reply for this. Please bear with me for a short while.

stuart lawrence said:

Ie
I was healed as a child. Both my parents who prayed for my healing had my views on this subject. A man a couple of us prayed for was healed, and I had the same views then concerning this subject I have now. However, though I say this i am uncomfortable mentioning such things in debates such as this. The glory is always Gods because we accept his son as our saviour NOT because we believe formulas concerning father, son and holy spirit that to put it mildly are not stated in the bible

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Hi, (edits done now)

For all including me. Healings are no proof of the validity of anyone's entire knowledge of God, if one knows that Jesus covered that subject in Mark 9:38-42.

The Apostles told someone to stop using the name of Jesus.

Jesus told them never to do that and why.

Healings are just God being God, and of course Jesus being Jesus, without ever really leaving out, The Holy Spirit, as Jesus, cautioned us about that also.

So Healings, if all those things are correct so far, rather than being a proof of the accuracy of any of us, Theologically, are merely proofs that Jesuus Is, He exists, and is not dismissable by all those involved.

And just hearing about Healings, involves everyone who hears.

Both of you have involved me, in your Healings, by my hearing of them. You have involved me to the point of loving Jesus more deeply and fully.

A local enough priest in my area, once he was moved to his own parish, was arrested a few years ago for child molestation, and we all heard about it, as things like that have changed dramatically within the Roman Catholic Church, here in my state.

It is Oregon.

Years and years earlier, this man told of us a healing he was given as a child in Mexico, where he was a youth.

Yes, I would have thought that would have sanctified him in all ways, such that he could never be wrong, sin wise, or theologically wise.

Only, that did not happen for him. At least it hasn't happened yet.

Telling the truth, that he has this problem, may indeed start him on the road to being more perfect in all ways, but I just remembered. A sinless human is contrary to The Bible.

Nothing is impossible for God, so eventually making any person sinless on earth, is a possibility by God, even for that priest, who has a pedophilia problem now.

It hasn't happened yet that I know of.

So, if anyone including me, thinks a healing by God, is a verification of one's entire theology in God so far, I don't yet understand why they think a healing is.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi, (edits done now)

For all including me. Healings are no proof of the validity of anyone's entire knowledge of God, if one knows that Jesus covered that subject in Mark 9:38-42.

The Apostles told someone to stop using the name of Jesus.

Jesus told them never to do that and why.

Healings are just God being God, and of course Jesus being Jesus, without ever really leaving out, The Holy Spirit, as Jesus, cautioned us about that also.

So Healings, if all those things are correct so far, rather than being a proof of the accuracy of any of us, Theologically, are merely proofs that Jesuus Is, He exists, and is not dismissable by all those involved.

And just hearing about Healings, involves everyone who hears.

Both of you have involved me, in your Healings, by my hearing of them. You have involved me to the point of loving Jesus more deeply and fully.

A local enough priest in my area, once he was moved to his own parish, was arrested a few years ago for child molestation, and we all heard about it, as things like that have changed dramatically within the Roman Catholic Church, here in my state.

It is Oregon.

Years and years earlier, this man told of us a healing he was given as a child in Mexico, where he was a youth.

Yes, I would have thought that would have sanctified him in all ways, such that he could never be wrong, sin wise, or theologically wise.

Only, that did not happen for him. At least it hasn't happened yet.

Telling the truth, that he has this problem, may indeed start him on the road to being more perfect in all ways, but I just remembered. A sinless human is contrary to The Bible.

Nothing is impossible for God, so eventually making any person sinless on earth, is a possibility by God, even for that priest, who has a pedophilia problem now.

It hasn't happened yet that I know of.

So, if anyone including me, thinks a healing by God, is a verification of one's entire theology in God so far, I don't yet understand why they think a healing is.

LOVE,

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You obviously failed to understand much of my post. Then, somehow you wandered off to sinless perfection, how you ended up there is a mystery

katerinah1947 said:

Hi, (edits done now)

For all including me. Healings are no proof of the validity of anyone's entire knowledge of God, if one knows that Jesus covered that subject in Mark 9:38-42.

The Apostles told someone to stop using the name of Jesus.

Jesus told them never to do that and why.

Healings are just God being God, and of course Jesus being Jesus, without ever really leaving out, The Holy Spirit, as Jesus, cautioned us about that also.

So Healings, if all those things are correct so far, rather than being a proof of the accuracy of any of us, Theologically, are merely proofs that Jesuus Is, He exists, and is not dismissable by all those involved.

And just hearing about Healings, involves everyone who hears.

Both of you have involved me, in your Healings, by my hearing of them. You have involved me to the point of loving Jesus more deeply and fully.

A local enough priest in my area, once he was moved to his own parish, was arrested a few years ago for child molestation, and we all heard about it, as things like that have changed dramatically within the Roman Catholic Church, here in my state.

It is Oregon.

Years and years earlier, this man told of us a healing he was given as a child in Mexico, where he was a youth.

Yes, I would have thought that would have sanctified him in all ways, such that he could never be wrong, sin wise, or theologically wise.

Only, that did not happen for him. At least it hasn't happened yet.

Telling the truth, that he has this problem, may indeed start him on the road to being more perfect in all ways, but I just remembered. A sinless human is contrary to The Bible.

Nothing is impossible for God, so eventually making any person sinless on earth, is a possibility by God, even for that priest, who has a pedophilia problem now.

It hasn't happened yet that I know of.

So, if anyone including me, thinks a healing by God, is a verification of one's entire theology in God so far, I don't yet understand why they think a healing is.

LOVE,

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Concerning your final paragraph. Signs, wonders, and miracles are proof of the true message being preached acts14:3, heb2-2-4 etc. But if you properly read what I wrote, concerning this subject, the necessary belief to have truth is simply to believe Jesus is THE only true son of God, something all christians believe. The important message is Grace. Only internet would be theologians and scholars make a big deal of people not accepting their doctrine of an equal trinity

stuart lawrence said:

You obviously failed to understand much of my post. Then, somehow you wandered off to sinless perfection, how you ended up there is a mystery

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Hi,

I may have misunderstood your post.

Sinless perfection, was a side point, as always a possibility with God.

Being sinless is not a normal possibility for any of us, and was a disclaimer about any and all of us who have had a strong contact with God, for others or even ourselves, thinking that, strong contacts with God, change us in all ways, rather than merely some ways.

I was worried.

Yes, I may totally have misunderstood you.

I was worried that you were thinking that your's or anyone's Healings, are an endorsement by God, of your accuracies, on other subjects not related to your being healed.

You seem to have stated, that your parents views and yours about The Trinity are in fact guaranteed as being accurate, because of your healing experience.

LOVE,

stuart lawrence said:

Concerning your final paragraph. Signs, wonders, and miracles are proof of the true message being preached acts14:3, heb2-2-4 etc. But if you properly read what I wrote, concerning this subject, the necessary belief to have truth is simply to believe Jesus is THE only true son of God, something all christians believe. The important message is Grace. Only internet would be theologians and scholars make a big deal of people not accepting their doctrine of an equal trinity

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Hi,

Yes a central Biblical point is no one has to know everything there is to know about God.

The point of this thread is That The Trinity is not real.

And for that, you are upset calling those who think that is not true, but in fact The Trinity is true, would be internet theologians and would be Internet scholars, both being deprecating remarks, if not founded on objectively knowing that is the case.

Christians never make a big deal about not understanding The Trinity.

This thread has made a big deal about Understanding The Trinity, but in the reverse.

It makes the clear statement that The Trinity is not real, thus implying expertise, and authority to say so.

Christians in the other hand, unless they actually understand much, or in the extremely rare cases, when in simple terms, God tells them about The Trinity, normally said as God Reveals That to a person, they leave the idea as a mystery, meaning they don't have to understand it accurately, to be Christians.

You have actually insulted all those people you refer to as making a big deal.

Further having a personal doctrine implying ego only is at work in them, is also an unproven statement.,

Your making up an idea 'Equal Trinity' is saying that is their theology that you have said they make a big deal out of.

They never use the idea of Equal Trinity. Instead they use the idea of The Trinity as being Biblical, and still beyond the reach of all men normally.

They use the word mystery.

This thread says god is Simple.

Christians do not know any god.

However, if god, is an error there and God was really meant, no Christian, normally says, God is simple.

This thread says hopefully, that God's Word is simple, and not god's word or his word is simple, and Christians would never say that either normally.

To many points you make, that are subtly incorrect, so far.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

Yes a central Biblical point is no one has to know everything there is to know about God.

The point of this thread is That The Trinity is not real.

And for that, you are upset calling those who think that is not true, but in fact The Trinity is true, would be internet theologians and would be Internet scholars, both being deprecating remarks, if not founded on objectively knowing that is the case.

Christians never make a big deal about not understanding The Trinity.

This thread has made a big deal about Understanding The Trinity, but in the reverse.

It makes the clear statement that The Trinity is not real, thus implying expertise, and authority to say so.

Christians in the other hand, unless they actually understand much, or in the extremely rare cases, when in simple terms, God tells them about The Trinity, normally said as God Reveals That to a person, they leave the idea as a mystery, meaning they don't have to understand it accurately, to be Christians.

You have actually insulted all those people you refer to as making a big deal.

Further having a personal doctrine implying ego only is at work in them, is also an unproven statement.,

Your making up an idea 'Equal Trinity' is saying that is their theology that you have said they make a big deal out of.

They never use the idea of Equal Trinity. Instead they use the idea of The Trinity as being Biblical, and still beyond the reach of all men normally.

They use the word mystery.

This thread says god is Simple.

Christians do not know any god.

However, if god, is an error there and God was really meant, no Christian, normally says, God is simple.

This thread says hopefully, that God's Word is simple, and not god's word or his word is simple, and Christians would never say that either normally.

To many points you make, that are subtly incorrect, so far.

LOVE,

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In order to speak of a subject you need to be able to defend your views, you do not. In your opinion I make subtly incorrect statements, can you prove that? No

katerinah1947 said:

You made a statement, disguised as a question.

A simple question would be something like how many instances are there, where people have seen God in The Bible.

Post 853:
You were given (more than) 37.



Feelings are not part of this discussion so far, nor have they been.

An assessment of why you ignored the several several Biblical passages, and chose to place yourself in a position of authority Biblically, such that you also say that in post 855, you were not shown that The Lord spoke to Job out of a whirlwind, which you should know already, meaning God spoke to Job, not a god, but God did, and there also is where Job said he saw God, and you ignored that, by some mechanism, was given.

My guess was, you are saying that for sure you know God, and those, who Know God scripturally, or in faith, or by ways of being In The Spirit, that they too are all wrong, because of your superior, knowledge, intellect, or organization who has taught you.

Why else would you be so dismissive, of looking at the entire Bible? It is because you don't need it. You already understand God, enough to know the rest of us are wrong?

That was my guess.

I did not post emotions, that I know of or feelings.

I posted my guess based on your actions.

I will put here again. The places where people have seen God by someone else's personal work.

I will put here my own work, if any work can be called mine considering what scripture says about all things coming from God, on Job seeing God, also, after I look them up again.

1.) http://www.immanuelapproach.com/2012/08/15/people-in-scripture-who-saw-god-appendix-5/

2.)
Hi,
Job 38
The Lord Answers Job

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind....

Job 42:5

I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;

Although, no Biblical work can be called our or my, this is from my own knowledge of part of what I know about Job seeing God.

Job, with his own eyes, saw The Lord.

By your words earlier, Job did not see God. If you did not mean that, fine.

But to say that the word 'true', not being there, changes the meaning of The Lord in Job, to other than meaning God, as you have been saying accidentally or on purpose, is almost impossible to understand, if The Entire Bible is used, and not just a few passages that give information on the depth of God, the characteristics of God, and a hard to understand detail of God, but not the entire description or picture nor personality of God.


LOVE,

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God has said no man can see His face and live in Exodus 33:20. So something cannot come up that will contradict this. It is like saying that no man can see Sun in close quarters and live. He is bound to be burnt into ashes. So in many instances in the Bible when something is quoted regarding seeing God, it would mean only seeing or experiencing the manifestation or one of His attributes of Him. That is like feeling and experiencing the sunshine on earth.

In Solomon’s temple, the glory of God descended on the holy of holies. It doesn’t mean, God resided there leaving His throne in heaven.

The apostles asked Jesus to show them God the Father (John 14:8 to 10). Jesus indicated that seeing Him was seeing the Father! How can that be? If at all God can take a physical form, it has been accomplished fully in His Son to perfection. It doesn’t mean that Jesus is fully God!

Again is it indicated that Enoch was walked with God (Genesis 5:22). For God, earth is His footstool and heaven is His seat; in that case, how can a man, like, Enoch walk with God? So the verse cannot be taken literally. It should be understood as being having a conduct that was pleasing to God. When Jesus said, “I am the way,’ it doesn’t mean Jesus is some kind of a road that people want to walk on!

God is Spirit. He can be seen spiritually. Jesus also said that those who are pure in heart will see God. Jesus as the Word had seen and was with God. A mortal man cannot see God physically. He can only experience the presence or His attributes. What we understand that God is with us is that His spiritual presence is assured.

Genesis 12:7 speaks of appearance of God to Abraham. We don’t know in what way God made Abraham to realize His presence.

When we say that the Holy Spirit resides in us, it not equivalent to us becoming the Holy Spirit!

Job claimed that he saw God (Job 42:5). Job was a Gentile who was not fully knowledgeable of the attributes of God. Realizing the power and creation of God, he must have come to the conclusion that he saw God. Such a limited understanding doesn’t define wholly God, nor seeing fully! Let us not assume that seeing the waves of an ocean is seeing all things connected with the ocean and its many things that abound it.

Righttruth said:

God has said no man can see His face and live in Exodus 33:20. So something cannot come up that will contradict this. It is like saying that no man can see Sun in close quarters and live. He is bound to be burnt into ashes. So in many instances in the Bible when something is quoted regarding seeing God, it would mean only seeing or experiencing the manifestation or one of His attributes of Him. That is like feeling and experiencing the sunshine on earth.

In Solomon’s temple, the glory of God descended on the holy of holies. It doesn’t mean, God resided there leaving His throne in heaven.

The apostles asked Jesus to show them God the Father (John 14:8 to 10). Jesus indicated that seeing Him was seeing the Father! How can that be? If at all God can take a physical form, it has been accomplished fully in His Son to perfection. It doesn’t mean that Jesus is fully God!

Again is it indicated that Enoch was walked with God (Genesis 5:22). For God, earth is His footstool and heaven is His seat; in that case, how can a man, like, Enoch walk with God? So the verse cannot be taken literally. It should be understood as being having a conduct that was pleasing to God. When Jesus said, “I am the way,’ it doesn’t mean Jesus is some kind of a road that people want to walk on!

God is Spirit. He can be seen spiritually. Jesus also said that those who are pure in heart will see God. Jesus as the Word had seen and was with God. A mortal man cannot see God physically. He can only experience the presence or His attributes. What we understand that God is with us is that His spiritual presence is assured.

Genesis 12:7 speaks of appearance of God to Abraham. We don’t know in what way God made Abraham to realize His presence.

When we say that the Holy Spirit resides in us, it not equivalent to us becoming the Holy Spirit!

Job claimed that he saw God (Job 42:5). Job was a Gentile who was not fully knowledgeable of the attributes of God. Realizing the power and creation of God, he must have come to the conclusion that he saw God. Such a limited understanding doesn’t define wholly God, nor seeing fully! Let us not assume that seeing the waves of an ocean is seeing all things connected with the ocean and its many things that abound it.

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The holy spirit in us brings us into unity with other christians. We can only be as one in the spirit( phil2:2) there is no other way. I find myself pretty much as one with you on this subject.
Jesus prayed to the father that they( the believers) might be one AS we( he and his father) are one. May they be brought to complete unity. The only way believers can be as one is through the spirit in them. You cannot be me, nor I you, but we can be of one heart and one mind in the spirit. And Jesus prayed that they may be one AS(AS) we are one. When Jesus prayed that prayer the holy spirit was on him in bodily form( luke3:22)
So as you point out, people misunderstand what is often written, as in this case John 10:30 when they claim Jesus statement meant he was claiming to be God himself
God bless

Hi,

Righttruth said:

God has said no man can see His face and live in Exodus 33:20.

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No man can see the face of God and live,
Not no man can see His face and live,
Changes, even slight ones are not allowed

So something cannot come up that will contradict this.

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That is not the only option out there.
Things can expand this.

It is like saying that no man can see Sun in close quarters and live.

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If contradict were the only option.

He is bound to be burnt into ashes.

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So in many instances in the Bible when something is quoted regarding seeing God, it would mean only seeing or experiencing the manifestation or one of His attributes of Him.

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Stretching out and guessing, from your original guess, that contradiction rather than expansion is the only possible way to look at, no man can see the face of God and live, is adding one more layer, on to an already non expanded look at that passage.

That is like feeling and experiencing the sunshine on earth.

In Solomon’s temple, the glory of God descended on the holy of holies. It doesn’t mean, God resided there leaving His throne in heaven.

The apostles asked Jesus to show them God the Father (John 14:8 to 10). Jesus indicated that seeing Him was seeing the Father! How can that be? If at all God can take a physical form, it has been accomplished fully in His Son to perfection. It doesn’t mean that Jesus is fully God!

Again is it indicated that Enoch was walked with God (Genesis 5:22). For God, earth is His footstool and heaven is His seat; in that case, how can a man, like, Enoch walk with God? So the verse cannot be taken literally. It should be understood as being having a conduct that was pleasing to God. When Jesus said, “I am the way,’ it doesn’t mean Jesus is some kind of a road that people want to walk on!

God is Spirit. He can be seen spiritually. Jesus also said that those who are pure in heart will see God. Jesus as the Word had seen and was with God. A mortal man cannot see God physically. He can only experience the presence or His attributes. What we understand that God is with us is that His spiritual presence is assured.

Genesis 12:7 speaks of appearance of God to Abraham. We don’t know in what way God made Abraham to realize His presence.

When we say that the Holy Spirit resides in us, it not equivalent to us becoming the Holy Spirit!

Job claimed that he saw God (Job 42:5). Job was a Gentile who was not fully knowledgeable of the attributes of God. Realizing the power and creation of God, he must have come to the conclusion that he saw God. Such a limited understanding doesn’t define wholly God, nor seeing fully! Let us not assume that seeing the waves of an ocean is seeing all things connected with the ocean and its many things that abound it.

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So again, you take one passage and one view of that passage and then add layers and then conclusions to your one passage, one view of that passage way of looking at things.

Still you do not look at all the Bible passages and try and see how they fit together. Instead you throw out all that is not in agreement with you.

If that is in fact the way you understand God, fine. It is not correct.

All the passages in the Bible are to be included. All. If this is your best understanding of God, it is adequate.

If you want to say, that your understanding, is more correct than everyone else's, that is okay also.

You are not correct, but that too is okay. You are correct enough.

LOVE,

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,



No man can see the face of God and live,
Not no man can see His face and live,
Changes, even slight ones are not allowed

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So something cannot come up that will contradict this.
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That is not the only option out there.
Things can expand this.



If contradict were the only option.





Stretching out and guessing, from your original guess, that contradiction rather than expansion is the only possible way to look at, no man can see the face of God and live, is adding one more layer, on to an already non expanded look at that passage.



So again, you take one passage and one view of that passage and then add layers and then conclusions to your one passage, one view of that passage way of looking at things.

Still you do not look at all the Bible passages and try and see how they fit together. Instead you throw out all that is not in agreement with you.

If that is in fact the way you understand God, fine. It is not correct.

All the passages in the Bible are to be included. All. If this is your best understanding of God, it is adequate.

If you want to say, that your understanding, is more correct than everyone else's, that is okay also.

You are not correct, but that too is okay. You are correct enough.

LOVE,

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Changes, even slight ones are not allowed, lol

No man hath seen God at ANYTIME 1john4:12
1tim6:16'says the same thing

So to you, slight changes are not allowed but big ones are !!!

katerinah1947 said:

Hi,

No man can see the face of God and live,
Not no man can see His face and live,
Changes, even slight ones are not allowed

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I am not trying to change, rather trying to explain.

That is not the only option out there.
Things can expand this.

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Who is expanding without changing? Expansion amounts to change according to your logic.

All the passages in the Bible are to be included. All. If this is your best understanding of God, it is adequate.

If you want to say, that your understanding, is more correct than everyone else's, that is okay also.

You are not correct, but that too is okay. You are correct enough.

LOVE,

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Bible is not complete when it comes to understanding of infinite God.

stuart lawrence said:

Changes, even slight ones are not allowed, lol

No man hath seen God at ANYTIME 1john4:12
1tim6:16'says the same thing

So to you, slight changes are not allowed but big ones are !!!

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Hi,

That post was not sent to you. It was not.

Do you wish to discuss God with me, objectively or just keep telling me how right you are?

He is the one who is in error, by limiting himself. If you share his view fine.

However, the choice is yours, still.

You can either hold to your views, ignoring all inputs but your own, as you have been doing or not.

You can also keep engaging in accusations or not.

The problem to solve Biblically, is how all those phrases in the Bible match up.

It is not picking and choosing.

Psalms 110:1, from Jesus point of view, told us that The Holy Spirit had David say those words.

The Lord, said to my Lord.

Even there, those words must be included.

Jesus said He is written about in The Book of Moses.

And John said Jesus is God, in John 1:1.

Later in John 6, Jesus talks about His Father.

Somewhere Jesus' Father, speaks to Jesus on earth. Twice.

There is so much there, that if it is all thrown out, then views like God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, all one person, but God can split parts of Himself off, so that He can be on the earth in Son form, and in heaven always in Father form, plus work in Holy Spirit form, all at the same time.

That as I said, is not my understanding.

LOVE,