What is Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton so afraid of?

hislegacy · Feb 8, 2016

stamperben said:
Someone with over 14,000 posts in this place and who wants to be thought of as having some sort of conservative insight into politics doesn't know what Citizens United is? He might have thought he was credible in what he says, but this just takes the cake and shows just what is what. That sort of thing might pass on facebook, but we are a little more sophisticated here.

You would be amazing if you actually knew what I want to be thought of.

But you missed it again.

Never said I was an expert.

As I have said now eleven times.

I am not a Republican. I am a conservative libertarian. I don't waste my precious times scouring the Internet for these sources. My insight is just as valid as anyone else's, whether you like it or not. Whether you approve of it or not. You are not my better and certainly not someone in authority to place value on anyone here. That elitist mentality is what really rubs people the wrong way.

Truth be told, I never heard of Citizen United, had to look them up, until Hillary and then Bernie made an emphasis on wanting to shut them down.

Which provoked the thread. Sorry I don't meet your standards, well no, actually I am not.

pakicetus · Feb 8, 2016

stamperben said:
Someone with over 14,000 posts in this place and who wants to be thought of as having some sort of conservative insight into politics doesn't know what Citizens United is? He might have thought he was credible in what he says, but this just takes the cake and shows just what is what.

Hey there's no reason to insult or judge him for it. Just because he didn't know what Citizens United was doesn't mean he's unreasonable about other issues.

hislegacy · Feb 8, 2016

JustOneWay said:
Like there is a difference?

Yes, a dictionary would demonstrate the difference.

I may not have heard of the organization, but I know the difference between words.

JustOneWay · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
Yes, a dictionary would demonstrate the difference.

I may not have heard of the organization, but I know the difference between words.

Sorry, but Citizen's United is not an organization.

You really should read about what it is before you make any further posts in this thread.

stamperben · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
You would be amazing if you actually knew what I want to be thought of.

But you missed it again.

Never said I was an expert.

As I have said now eleven times.

I am not a Republican. I am a conservative libertarian. I don't waste my precious times scouring the Internet for these sources. My insight is just as valid as anyone else's, whether you like it or not. Whether you approve of it or not. You are not my better and certainly not someone in authority to place value on anyone here. That elitist mentality is what really rubs people the wrong way.

Truth be told, I never heard of Citizen United, had to look them up, until Hillary and then Bernie made an emphasis on wanting to shut them down.

Which provoked the thread. Sorry I don't meet your standards, well no, actually I am not.

I just have to ask...
Where in your conservative/libertarian world have you been that you hadn't heard of perhaps one of the SC's worst rulings in history? That is my one and only point here. That's what credibility is about, knowing what's going on in order to comment. You went ahead and tried to comment not knowing a thing about it. Most others might have at least googled it first.

let me google that for you

hislegacy · Feb 8, 2016

JustOneWay said:
Sorry, but Citizen's United is not an organization. .

http://www.citizensunited.org

Ok, they say they are an org.

stamperben said:
I just have to ask...
Where in your conservative/libertarian world have you been that you hadn't heard of perhaps one of the SC's worst rulings in history? That is my one and only point here. That's what credibility is about, knowing what's going on in order to comment. You went ahead and tried to comment not knowing a thing about it. Most others might have at least googled it first.

let me google that for you

Sorry, I don't have a ladder tall enough to get in that horse.

JustOneWay · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
http://www.citizensunited.org

Ok, they say they are an org.

That is not the Citizen's United to which Clinton and Sanders referred.

You seem even more confused than at the beginning of this thread.

stamperben · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
Sorry, I don't have a ladder tall enough to get in that horse.

It's right there at Google.com. No need for a ladder, just a keyboard.

hislegacy · Feb 8, 2016

So.... Beyond personal stuff. The question still seems to stand.

What are they afraid of?

tulc · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
So.... Beyond personal stuff. The question still seems to stand.

What are they afraid of?

Would it really help to explain their reasoning if you don't first understand what they're talking about? :scratch:

tulc(just a thought)

MerlinJ · Feb 8, 2016

Simply Put said:
So.... Beyond personal stuff. The question still seems to stand.

What are they afraid of?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#Criticisms

RedPonyDriver · Feb 8, 2016

Oh the low information voters...forgot how to think and research for themselves to come to an intelligent opinion.

katherine2001 · Feb 8, 2016

Vylo said:
Probably corporations having complete control of elections. Though I have my doubts about Clinton's sincerity in the matter.

Personally, I have no doubts. She tailors her answers to what crowd she is talking too. She took millions of dollars from the corporations--that is where most of her campaign funds have come from. Her very actions show that she is totally for the Citizens United decision.

AceHero · Feb 8, 2016

nightflight said:
They're scared of diversity. Have you seen the Democrat contenders? Old and white!

smh!

JustOneWay said:

Citizens United has nothing to do with diversity. Looks like you too need Google.

Click to expand...

Besides, we'll have more diversity (racial or otherwise) without letting corporations spend endless money on political campaigns.

SnowyMacie · Feb 9, 2016

Vylo said:
Probably corporations having complete control of elections. Though I have my doubts about Clinton's sincerity in the matter.

Considering the fact that one of her largest contributions is Time Warner (or whoever owns CNN), I'm skeptical as well. I'd still vote for her in the general election over any of the republican candidates, especially if it's Trump or Cruze.

super animator · Feb 9, 2016

What are you afraid of TC?

Vylo · Feb 9, 2016

Simply Put said:
So.... Beyond personal stuff. The question still seems to stand.

What are they afraid of?

See my post (#8).

drjean · Feb 9, 2016

ThatRobGuy · Feb 9, 2016

In regards to your questions about citizens united v. FEC court case...here's a more direct answer to your question:
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, No. 08-205, 558 U.S.310 (2010), is a U.S. constitutional law case dealing with the regulation of campaign spending by organizations. The United States Supreme Court held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by a nonprofit corporation. The principles articulated by the Supreme Court in the case have also been extended to for-profit corporations, labor unions and other associations. By allowing unlimited election spending by individuals and corporations, the decision has "re-shaped the political landscape" of the United States.

So, in a nutshell, allowing unlimited amounts of money to muddy the waters of our political process...

What they're afraid of you ask? That the rich activists on "the other side" have more money than the rich activists on their own side.

They might publicly oppose it on the grounds that "we want to make sure money isn't polluting the political process"...however, a quick search on OpenSecrets (particularly the campaign finance related materials they have) will show that the democrats have no qualms with accepting big money from wealthy individual donors as well as corporations.

...but in reality, the real reason they oppose it?...

...wealthy republican donors are able to pony up just slightly more cash than wealthy democrat donors...that's why Democrats oppose it (or claim to oppose it).

People shouldn't be fooling themselves into thinking either party really wants to keep big money out of politics.

MerlinJ · Feb 9, 2016

miniverchivi said:
People shouldn't be fooling themselves into thinking either party really wants to keep big money out of politics.

It seems people aren't fooling themselves though, which is why Trump and Sander's different strands of populism are finding huge support.

What is Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton so afraid of?

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