Islam Quran errors on Trinity

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It seams like you info about Muslim world is taken from nowhere.
If this is the case. then there shouldn't be even one Non-Moslem live and work in the Moslim World now

We are fast approaching that point as Christians flee genocide and persecution throughout the Muslim world.
 
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We are fast approaching that point as Christians flee genocide and persecution throughout the Muslim world.
Who goes out from the main question now ?:)
I've to answer you.

Do you know something, other than Syria, Moslims in the area wish to have the same freedom and delight that Christian have.

Even in Syria, Christians are suffering in the ISIS area only, but Moslims are being killed in all Syria
 
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Who goes out from the main question now ?:)
I've to answer you.

Do you know something, other than Syria, Moslims in the area wish to have the same freedom and delight that Christian have.

Even in Syria, Christians are suffering in the ISIS area only, but Moslims are being killed in all Syria

That is wrong in so many levels. Do you see even on church in Saudi Ariba? In those areas, if you burn a Bible no problem, but burn a Quran and there will be riot.

And to answer the other question, in Quran Muhamad never point out Trinity as God/Jesus/Holy spirit, but almost everywhere when it mention Christian mistook God as 3 person, Mary is mentioned.
 
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That is wrong in so many levels. Do you see even on church in Saudi Ariba? In those areas, if you burn a Bible no problem, but burn a Quran and there will be riot.

If Vatican allows Moslems to build a mosque then Saudi will allow

And to answer the other question, in Quran Muhamad never point out Trinity as God/Jesus/Holy spirit, but almost everywhere when it mention Christian mistook God as 3 person, Mary is mentioned.
Allah didn't say Trinity in Quran at all, Allah said "do not say, "Three"" and "
" Allah is the third of three.". Allah didn't say Trinity in Quran at all.
On the other hand,Allah mentioned Mariam name in Quran 34 times
 
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If Vatican allows Moslems to build a mosque then Saudi will allow

Vatican is a tiny place where everything is occupied, all the occupants are Catholics. I am not aware of any laws that prophibs anyone from building a mosque, temple or whatever there.
Saudi Ariba is a huge country with open spaces, and building of other religious place is not allowed.

Allah didn't say Trinity in Quran at all, Allah said "do not say, "Three"" and "
" Allah is the third of three.". Allah didn't say Trinity in Quran at all.
On the other hand,Allah mentioned Mariam name in Quran 34 times

Yes, and almost everywhere the "Three" is mentioned Marry is mentioned, very clear Muhammad is refering the three as God/Jesus and Mary.

Think about it, you said unless you believe in what Moses/Jesus teaches you are not a Muslim, and you don't know what they teaches, you don't know what is right and what is not right in the Bible, you claim the Bible is corrupt (or lost), yet it is clear the Quran states the Bible can be trusted by Jews/Christians, now that is clear statement that the Bible is good enough to use, yet you can't trust, I give you any verse you can't confirm if you believe it or not, in that sense are you really a Muslim?

If you die and God ask you why you don't believe his word, do you tell God that even with the good spirit God give you, you can't distinguish good and evil?
 
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Yes, and almost everywhere the "Three" is mentioned Marry is mentioned, very clear Muhammad is refering the three as God/Jesus and Mary.

Please detail with evidence your claim

Think about it, you said unless you believe in what Moses/Jesus teaches you are not a Muslim, and you don't know what they teaches, you don't know what is right and what is not right in the Bible, you claim the Bible is corrupt (or lost), yet it is clear the Quran states the Bible can be trusted by Jews/Christians, now that is clear statement that the Bible is good enough to use, yet you can't trust, I give you any verse you can't confirm if you believe it or not, in that sense are you really a Muslim?
Give a proof just one proof that the 4 Gospels are from El-Mesiah and exactly this what he said.
We believe in El-Mesiah book Injeel. Where is Injeel ?

If you die and God ask you why you don't believe his word, do you tell God that even with the good spirit God give you, you can't distinguish good and evil?
Allah told us that he is one, no partner, no son, no 3rd person (Holy Spirit).
Allah told us in Quran :
"Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
 
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Please detail with evidence your claim
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
Give a proof just one proof that the 4 Gospels are from El-Mesiah and exactly this what he said.
We believe in El-Mesiah book Injeel. Where is Injeel ?

That is a good question. Did Muhammad told you that you must believe in a book that is lost?
I believe the Gospel is the message of God because of the message, after analyzing the message.
Jesus never claim that the Torah is corrupt, the early Christians used Torah as their books before the Gospel was written.
What does Injeel mean? It come from the Greek word evangel, which means good word. It has no meaning in Arabic. The name Jesus (Yeshua) means Salvation, it has no meaning when it became Isa.

And interestingly above all, the Quran said Christians should be judged by Injeel and Jews should be judged by Torah, and that when in doubt (o Muhammad), go ask Jews and Christians, which you claim they don't have the book. The Quran also says the early Christians triumphed.

The Quran also said God give the Jews the land of Israel, which most of the Muslims deny. When Muslims deny Quran, are they still Muslims? And if they was a Muslim but are no longer a Muslim, according to you they should be killed. Does that even make sense?

Matthew 11:6 (ASV) "And blessed is he, whosoever shall find no occasion of stumbling in me.", If you trust in Jesus, you are blessed.
 
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This is all like a fake story
Allah told about people who considers El-Messiah and Mariam as Gods this is totally different from people who says 3.


That is a good question. Did Muhammad told you that you must believe in a book that is lost?
Allah told us about Ibrahim book (no trace about it) and we believe in it also
We believe in all prophets and their books

I believe the Gospel is the message of God because of the message, after analyzing the message.
Jesus never claim that the Torah is corrupt, the early Christians used Torah as their books before the Gospel was written.
What does Injeel mean? It come from the Greek word evangel, which means good word. It has no meaning in Arabic. The name Jesus (Yeshua) means Salvation, it has no meaning when it became Isa.
El-Messiah was raised as a Jew and spoke Aramaic or Syriac but you're referring to Greek.
I asked about evidence that the 4 Gospels are written by El-Messia and no changes has happened to it but you're referring to many other things.


And interestingly above all, the Quran said Christians should be judged by Injeel and Jews should be judged by Torah, and that when in doubt (o Muhammad), go ask Jews and Christians, which you claim they don't have the book. The Quran also says the early Christians triumphed.
if you understand the Quran you'll find out there is neither Judaism nor Christianity but one religion with all prophets is Islam (Submission religion)
In all eras there were people who are on the right belief.

The Quran also said God give the Jews the land of Israel, which most of the Muslims deny. When Muslims deny Quran, are they still Muslims? And if they was a Muslim but are no longer a Muslim, according to you they should be killed. Does that even make sense?
Allah gave the lands to Moses fellowship who were at that time the Israelis. Their religion is Islam (Submission) but who are the real followers of Moses now.
We Moslims are the true followers of Moses and Jesus since Mohamed is appointed as messenger till end date. So, we Moslims are the owner of the Holy Land.
 
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if you understand the Quran you'll find out there is neither Judaism nor Christianity but one religion with all prophets is Islam (Submission religion)
In all eras there were people who are on the right belief.
Allah gave the lands to Moses .... So, we Moslims are the owner of the Holy Land.

It is almost as if you are beyond reason :)
I have show you clearly the contradictions between you and Quran, that Quran is rather clear Christians process the Gospel and Jews has Torah and you say otherwise, that Quran and Muhammad contradict on if there should be compulsion in religion. And in fact Quran said Muhammad is the first Muslim...

Anyway, it is almost like you can twist your holy book anyway you want.....

So much simpler and clear in the Bible, where Jesus told us to love each other like ourselves. don't you think it is a much better solution than to kill a fellow Muslim if he/she ever differ from what you think is the right path, maybe they became Christians, Baha's, as God commanded us to forgive others else God won't forgive us.

Will keep praying for you :)
 
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It is almost as if you are beyond reason :)
I have show you clearly the contradictions between you and Quran, that Quran is rather clear Christians process the Gospel and Jews has Torah and you say otherwise, that Quran and Muhammad contradict on if there should be compulsion in religion. And in fact Quran said Muhammad is the first Muslim...

Anyway, it is almost like you can twist your holy book anyway you want.....

So much simpler and clear in the Bible, where Jesus told us to love each other like ourselves. don't you think it is a much better solution than to kill a fellow Muslim if he/she ever differ from what you think is the right path, maybe they became Christians, Baha's, as God commanded us to forgive others else God won't forgive us.

Will keep praying for you :)

The Arabic term "Islam" itself is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term "aslama", which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".


The Arabic word salaam (سلام) ("Peace") has the same root as the word Islam. One Islamic interpretation is that individual personal peace is attained by utterly submitting to Allah.

In that sense all prophets religions is Islam (Submission religion) Adma, Noah, Ibrajim, Danial, David, Moses,El-Messiah, and Mohamed has one religions Islam (Submission).

It doesn't make any sense that Allah sends various prophets with different religions contradict and fight each others. The difference between profits is only in Laws and worshiping.

The true follower of a prophet who are following the new prophet.
So, When El-Messiah appeared, all true believer of Moses (Moslems - Submission) who are called Jews should have followed El-Messiah. Allah doesn't accept any Jew who didn't follow El-Messiah. By the way true followers of El-Messiah are not the follower of Paul. Paul Christianity is totally different from El-Messiah message.
Same with Mohamed, When Mohamed appeared, True follower of El-Messiah (Moslems - Submission) should have followed Mohamed
We Moslims are the true believer in Moses and El-Messiah. We're following their true religion and message




Regarding changing religion: It's Allah's low
What about Laws of Torah ?
El-Messiah said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill"
So El-Messiah agreed and is abide to Torah's Laws.

So, What do you think written in Torah about people who converts to another religion ?
 
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The Arabic term "Islam" itself is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term "aslama", which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".

The Arabic word salaam (سلام) ("Peace") has the same root as the word Islam. One Islamic interpretation is that individual personal peace is attained by utterly submitting to Allah.

In that sense all prophets religions is Islam (Submission religion) Adma, Noah, Ibrajim, Danial, David, Moses,El-Messiah, and Mohamed has one religions Islam (Submission).

It doesn't make any sense that Allah sends various prophets with different religions contradict and fight each others. The difference between profits is only in Laws and worshiping.

The true follower of a prophet who are following the new prophet.
So, When El-Messiah appeared, all true believer of Moses (Moslems - Submission) who are called Jews should have followed El-Messiah. Allah doesn't accept any Jew who didn't follow El-Messiah. By the way true followers of El-Messiah are not the follower of Paul. Paul Christianity is totally different from El-Messiah message.
Same with Mohamed, When Mohamed appeared, True follower of El-Messiah (Moslems - Submission) should have followed Mohamed
We Moslims are the true believer in Moses and El-Messiah. We're following their true religion and message




Regarding changing religion: It's Allah's low
What about Laws of Torah ?
El-Messiah said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill"
So El-Messiah agreed and is abide to Torah's Laws.

So, What do you think written in Torah about people who converts to another religion ?
What does submission to God mean? In Christianity it is to love your neighbor as yourself. The Jews who has Torah also arrived at (almost) the same conclusion, that if you don't want something to be done to you, don't do to others.

God has a very consistent message between Torah and Gospel, that is how Jews/Christians, one has the Law the other has Gospel can arrive at the same conclusion, and Jesus didn't come and say the Torah is corrupted, he come to confirm.

Jesus fulfilled the law because none of us can go to heaven by just obey the law, because we can't, Jesus said it in that if you hate your brother, it is murder, if you look at women lustfully, it is adultery.

Basically God told us plainly we all fail, the only way to go to heaven is by God's grace. Torah is written only for Jews, apply to a certain place and time (can you still worship and sacrifice at the Temple?). The Word of God has spoken, to kill a adulteries women, you have to be sinless, or you can't cast the stone.

On the other hand, the Quran is full of conflicts, you are conflict with it on the issue of kill a Muslims who converts, on its message that Christians and Jews has their book, using the same code of conduct (ISIS), and even if Israel belongs to the Jews. Just how liberal can you be with your own holy book? Are you serious about what's written in it, or is that because you found if you take it seriously, it does not make sense?

God has given us the ability to know good and evil, we should prepare our heart to humble ourselves and repent to God. Will keep praying for you.
 
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The Quran says that the Trinity is Father , Mary and Son. How can I accept the book is Gods dictated word if its wrong about this. The Christin view has always been Father , Son and Holy Spirit.


And when God said, ‘O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?’ He said, ‘To Thee be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, Thou knowest it, knowing what is within my soul, and I know not what is within Thy soul; Thou knowest the things unseen I only said to them what Thou didst command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when Thou didst take me to Thyself, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them; Thou Thyself art witness of everything.’ S. 5:116-117


Why would a Christian care that the Koran scriptures are errant with regard to the trinity?
 
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What does submission to God mean? In Christianity it is to love your neighbor as yourself. The Jews who has Torah also arrived at (almost) the same conclusion, that if you don't want something to be done to you, don't do to others.

God has a very consistent message between Torah and Gospel, that is how Jews/Christians, one has the Law the other has Gospel can arrive at the same conclusion, and Jesus didn't come and say the Torah is corrupted, he come to confirm.

Jesus fulfilled the law because none of us can go to heaven by just obey the law, because we can't, Jesus said it in that if you hate your brother, it is murder, if you look at women lustfully, it is adultery.

Basically God told us plainly we all fail, the only way to go to heaven is by God's grace. Torah is written only for Jews, apply to a certain place and time (can you still worship and sacrifice at the Temple?). The Word of God has spoken, to kill a adulteries women, you have to be sinless, or you can't cast the stone.

On the other hand, the Quran is full of conflicts, you are conflict with it on the issue of kill a Muslims who converts, on its message that Christians and Jews has their book, using the same code of conduct (ISIS), and even if Israel belongs to the Jews. Just how liberal can you be with your own holy book? Are you serious about what's written in it, or is that because you found if you take it seriously, it does not make sense?

God has given us the ability to know good and evil, we should prepare our heart to humble ourselves and repent to God. Will keep praying for you.

Love your neighbors is a practice of Submission but doesn't mean Submission.
Submission means to be obedient to the laws all Laws exactly as El-Messiah lived.
Love you neighbor is in Quran and Hadeeth.

You'll make doubt that you didn't read Gospels and Torah ever.
What consistency between Gospel(s) and Torah ?
Do the Jews agree with you? What they think about you?
The Jews don't even recognize El-Messiah, they doubt that even a Rabbi with this name ever existed. right?

Torah is talking about one unique God no Son no Father only one God.
El-Messiah lived as per the Laws and asked people to obey it.


Torah has Laws for Just Eye with Eye....
Gospel(s) don't have any Laws

Torah is pushing people to defend themselves and restore what has been taken simply to fight Romans
Gospel(s) creates a Do-nothing slave person who gives Caesar whatever he wants, pay taxes to Roman Empires because they're neighbors , Carry the Roman soldier stuff for 2 miles even if he asks for 1 mile only, turn left side to be slapped again

Gospel(s) directs you to do Submission to human beings not to Allah.

You are not obeying the Laws and you're saying it's not even able to be applied.

You're saying tat Torah is written only for Jews, apply to a certain place and time. The question is Why did you add it to Gospel? What is the benefit ? Is it to keep it from being lost? Why do you study it?

You dropping Old/New testimony and Laws and keep "good with neighbors" and ask my How liberal I can be with Quran?
The answer is NO, No Muslim can waive or drop single verse in Quran.

It's a living book, should be applied completely from beginning to end.

Again, I'll ask you same Question. What does the Law in Torah says about people who converts out from religion ?
 
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Love your neighbors is a practice of Submission but doesn't mean Submission.
Submission means to be obedient to the laws all Laws exactly as El-Messiah lived.
Love you neighbor is in Quran and Hadeeth.

You'll make doubt that you didn't read Gospels and Torah ever.
What consistency between Gospel(s) and Torah ?
Do the Jews agree with you? What they think about you?
The Jews don't even recognize El-Messiah, they doubt that even a Rabbi with this name ever existed. right?

Torah is talking about one unique God no Son no Father only one God.
El-Messiah lived as per the Laws and asked people to obey it.


Torah has Laws for Just Eye with Eye....
Gospel(s) don't have any Laws

Torah is pushing people to defend themselves and restore what has been taken simply to fight Romans
Gospel(s) creates a Do-nothing slave person who gives Caesar whatever he wants, pay taxes to Roman Empires because they're neighbors , Carry the Roman soldier stuff for 2 miles even if he asks for 1 mile only, turn left side to be slapped again

Gospel(s) directs you to do Submission to human beings not to Allah.

You are not obeying the Laws and you're saying it's not even able to be applied.

You're saying tat Torah is written only for Jews, apply to a certain place and time. The question is Why did you add it to Gospel? What is the benefit ? Is it to keep it from being lost? Why do you study it?

You dropping Old/New testimony and Laws and keep "good with neighbors" and ask my How liberal I can be with Quran?
The answer is NO, No Muslim can waive or drop single verse in Quran.

It's a living book, should be applied completely from beginning to end.

Again, I'll ask you same Question. What does the Law in Torah says about people who converts out from religion ?

Love your neighbors is part of submission.
The Quran and Hadith might have something that resemblies love your neighbor, but conflict it with it on many other parts, have you look at the hadith on war? it is not designed to love your neighbor, it is designed for kill and loots.

Gospel is the summary of the Law, it is the spirit of the Law. Torah is not pushing people to defend themselves, it is the Law that given to Jews, and following the Gospel means submit to God, unlike you who claim to submit to God (and submit to the Quran) but tweaks Quran at your own way. I didn't say the law is not to be applied, what I said is part of it that is clearly given to Jews (i.e. all the ceremonies) does not apply today.

I say you are very liberal with Quran not because you are droping any lines, but you are tweaking its meaning, when it is clearly saying something and you tweaked its meaning to be something else.

There is no law in Torah on people turning away from religion, there is no religion in Torah. Torah only dealt with people who turn away from God and worship idols, they will die. Turn from Muslim to Jew or to Christian is not turning away from God.

Torah is included in the Bible because it is the word of God, did you ask yourself why all of a sudden the Gospel and Torah all became corrupt, even when Quran says Gods word is not corruptable? did God's word got corrupted for thousands of years or is that just your understanding?
 
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It is only a matter of concern if you wish to see Muslims saved.
If they are called to Christ they shall seek him out.
As to what the Koran says about the trinity I could care less. The Koran teaches that Christ wasn't crucified. It also teaches that allah has no son. Therefore Jesus in Islam is not the "son of allah". The Koran is a false book, allah is a false god.

If God is concerned with seeing Muslims saved he shall call them to him. As it is, Muslims believe if they come to Christ they are apostate and in some Sharia dominated countries, worthy of death.
God knows his own. God calls his own.
 
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Love your neighbors is part of submission.
The Quran and Hadith might have something that resemblies love your neighbor, but conflict it with it on many other parts, have you look at the hadith on war? it is not designed to love your neighbor, it is designed for kill and loots.

Gospel is the summary of the Law, it is the spirit of the Law. Torah is not pushing people to defend themselves, it is the Law that given to Jews, and following the Gospel means submit to God, unlike you who claim to submit to God (and submit to the Quran) but tweaks Quran at your own way. I didn't say the law is not to be applied, what I said is part of it that is clearly given to Jews (i.e. all the ceremonies) does not apply today.

I say you are very liberal with Quran not because you are droping any lines, but you are tweaking its meaning, when it is clearly saying something and you tweaked its meaning to be something else.

There is no law in Torah on people turning away from religion, there is no religion in Torah. Torah only dealt with people who turn away from God and worship idols, they will die. Turn from Muslim to Jew or to Christian is not turning away from God.

Torah is included in the Bible because it is the word of God, did you ask yourself why all of a sudden the Gospel and Torah all became corrupt, even when Quran says Gods word is not corruptable? did God's word got corrupted for thousands of years or is that just your understanding?
There is neither consistency nor agreement between OT and NT. The inconsistency exists even in the same Gospel itself. In the same Gospel, you'll find the human prophet El-Messiah eats, laughs, sleeps, cries, puts his head on earth and asks God for help. which totally contradicts with Trinity. I know you'll say he was human, prophet, and God (the Son) in the same time but this can't be digested even by many Christians these days.
OK, I understood you's justifying Torah Law that kills people who converts to worship idols, Do you accept the Torah conversion Law? Do you accept the same from Quran Law if it punishes people who converts to worship idols only not people who converts to Christianity and Judaism? Do the Jews agree with you and accept to exclude Jews converts to Christianity?

Gospels have no relation to El-Messiah. Who is Luke ? Do you know his history ? What is the full name? Where did he live ? When did he is born? When did he die ? Who has copied Gospel from him ? Did you read the introduction of Luke ? Did you notice it's just a letter to his friend ? How come a letter become word of God?
We need same answers to these questions for Matthew and Mark. John is another story.

There is no trusted relationship between these 4 Gospels and El-Messiah at all.
Some Christian Scholars are saying that Torah has been rewritten after Babelion salvation.
Any verse in OT/NT talks about Allah has a Son or is three or contradicts Allah is one and unique is for sure a corrupted verse.
Any verse says that a prophet did sens (like David or Lut or any other prophet) is a corrupted verse.

Many Chritian and Jew scholars have reached the same Islamic view about the Bible.
 
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There is neither consistency nor agreement between OT and NT. The inconsistency exists even in the same Gospel itself. In the same Gospel, you'll find the human prophet El-Messiah eats, laughs, sleeps, cries, puts his head on earth and asks God for help. which totally contradicts with Trinity. I know you'll say he was human, prophet, and God (the Son) in the same time but this can't be digested even by many Christians these days.
OK, I understood you's justifying Torah Law that kills people who converts to worship idols, Do you accept the Torah conversion Law? Do you accept the same from Quran Law if it punishes people who converts to worship idols only not people who converts to Christianity and Judaism? Do the Jews agree with you and accept to exclude Jews converts to Christianity?

Gospels have no relation to El-Messiah. Who is Luke ? Do you know his history ? What is the full name? Where did he live ? When did he is born? When did he die ? Who has copied Gospel from him ? Did you read the introduction of Luke ? Did you notice it's just a letter to his friend ? How come a letter become word of God?
We need same answers to these questions for Matthew and Mark. John is another story.

There is no trusted relationship between these 4 Gospels and El-Messiah at all.
Some Christian Scholars are saying that Torah has been rewritten after Babelion salvation.
Any verse in OT/NT talks about Allah has a Son or is three or contradicts Allah is one and unique is for sure a corrupted verse.
Any verse says that a prophet did sens (like David or Lut or any other prophet) is a corrupted verse.

Many Chritian and Jew scholars have reached the same Islamic view about the Bible.

I don't know how to explain trinity, just as I don't know how to explain God. All I know is what Jesus said represents what God said, and Jesus is the word of God, and Jesus says excatly what God want him to say.

I don't know the details of Luke. I had similar questions before, then I found in Quran that Jews is under Torah and Christians is to use Gospel, that the earlier Christians triumphed. God has a way to preserve his word, no matter how people try to distort it.

Now read your own text, it is clear you are distorting your own text. The reason is very clear because you can't reconcile. You either contradict your own text, or claim the other scriptures are corrupt, which also contradict your own text, but since it is indirect, you care less. That is very dangers, as God has made his word clear, and you are trying to not listen to God. It doesn't make sense when God says his word is incorruptible, and you claim his word is corrupted for thousands of years, or when you claim Quran is perfect in everything and yet Quran claims people has found the raising/setting spot of the sun.
 
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I don't know how to explain trinity, just as I don't know how to explain God. All I know is what Jesus said represents what God said, and Jesus is the word of God, and Jesus says excatly what God want him to say.

I don't know the details of Luke. I had similar questions before, then I found in Quran that Jews is under Torah and Christians is to use Gospel, that the earlier Christians triumphed. God has a way to preserve his word, no matter how people try to distort it.

Now read your own text, it is clear you are distorting your own text. The reason is very clear because you can't reconcile. You either contradict your own text, or claim the other scriptures are corrupt, which also contradict your own text, but since it is indirect, you care less. That is very dangers, as God has made his word clear, and you are trying to not listen to God. It doesn't make sense when God says his word is incorruptible, and you claim his word is corrupted for thousands of years, or when you claim Quran is perfect in everything and yet Quran claims people has found the raising/setting spot of the sun.
I don't deny that we believe in prophets and their book. The true one, the same that is described in Quran not something else.
It's like you go to buy something with certain description but the seller offered you something with the same name but it's not what you know.
Allah told in Quran about a human prophet his name is Isa or el-Messiah born from a virgin without a father. His enemy tried to crucify him but Allah saved him. He has a book like Quran fully inspired from Allah, it includes only Allah's words not even el-Messiah words.
But look what you've, a person called Jesus Christ, There are 4 books written in Latin neither his native language not Hebrew like all Israelis prophets.
Everything Allah warned us are in the books or you believe in Trinity, Crucifixion, non-Circumstancing, eating pigs....

It's 2 different thing has nothing related to Quran. Look to what Christian scholars are saying, They are saying Jesus Christ didn't exist historically, it's an invention of Romans Nicea council, The Latin books are written by Fashions. This story of Crucifixion, Salvation, Resurrection,, are there before Christ associated with many gods.

Ok forget about Limo, may be I'm tweaking Quran or distorted the scripts.
Who In Islam all over the history is supporting your point of view?
What about prophet Muhammad ?
 
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I don't deny that we believe in prophets and their book. The true one, the same that is described in Quran not something else.
It's like you go to buy something with certain description but the seller offered you something with the same name but it's not what you know.
Allah told in Quran about a human prophet his name is Isa or el-Messiah born from a virgin without a father. His enemy tried to crucify him but Allah saved him. He has a book like Quran fully inspired from Allah, it includes only Allah's words not even el-Messiah words.
But look what you've, a person called Jesus Christ, There are 4 books written in Latin neither his native language not Hebrew like all Israelis prophets.
Everything Allah warned us are in the books or you believe in Trinity, Crucifixion, non-Circumstancing, eating pigs....

It's 2 different thing has nothing related to Quran. Look to what Christian scholars are saying, They are saying Jesus Christ didn't exist historically, it's an invention of Romans Nicea council, The Latin books are written by Fashions. This story of Crucifixion, Salvation, Resurrection,, are there before Christ associated with many gods.

Ok forget about Limo, may be I'm tweaking Quran or distorted the scripts.
Who In Islam all over the history is supporting your point of view?
What about prophet Muhammad ?

Here is the part I don't understand. Do you believe in those so called Christian scholars that you heard/read about or the scripture? So they say Jesus doesn't exist and you just believe them? What about the ones who believe Jesus exists?

If you can't even believe in your own scripture, what are you standing on?
Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Here the Quran has said clearly the Gospel is from God, and Christians must stand on the Gospel. Look at the verse before and after, is there anywhere Muhammad mentioned the Gospel is lost? If the Gospel is truly lost, or mostly corrupted, or can't be trusted, why it is said here?

Sorry I can't forget Limo, I know you love God and I know you want his words, I don't want you to go to hell for denying God's words. I truely wish I can help you by just pointing out the very obvious, from the scripture you said you trust.
 
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