Are forgeries inspired scripture?

Oncedeceived said:

Did I say I was unaware of these claims? Like I said, what proof do these historical scholars have to show that Ephesians were written much later than Paul?

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cloudyday2 said:

Well even if Slippery Sam had an air-tight alibi, there is still Yosemite Sam to investigate.
Not being an expert, I go with what the experts believe - a few of the NT books were forgeries. There are some NT books that most agree are authentic, and there are a few that most agree are forgeries, and there are some in the middle.

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HitchSlap said:

Apparently yore unaware of why scholars make these claims. I suggest you inform yourself.

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Oncedeceived said:

What proof do the historical scholars give to confirm that some are forgeries?

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HitchSlap said:

I thought you claimed to know the reasons.

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Oncedeceived said:

I know the reasoning...what proof do historical scholars have that confirms that some of the NT is forged?

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HitchSlap said:

Oh good lord.

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Oncedeceived said:

I'll take that as a no.

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Aryeh Jay said:

Did you know the King James translators used the Masoretic text and Strong’s Concordance is specifically for the King James Version of the Bible?

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cloudyday2 said:

Well even if Slippery Sam had an air-tight alibi, there is still Yosemite Sam to investigate.

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HitchSlap said:

Take it however you like.

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Oncedeceived said:

I "take" it that the proof is not there or you and those historical scholars would provide it.

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HitchSlap said:

I understand.

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cloudyday2 said:

Setting aside the question of which if any scriptures might be forgeries, would solid evidence that some NT book is a forgery imply that this book is NOT inspired scripture? If you found out that Slippery Sam from Siam wrote one of the NT books as a practical joke, would you tear that book out of your bible in disgust, or would you be amazed that God can inspire scriptures - even when the writer is not aware that he/she is part of God's plan?

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Oncedeceived said:

I am aware of why they make such claims, I am asking you to provide any proof that any of the NT is forged.

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radhead said:

No one has to prove that a book of supernatural claims is false or in error.

Fundamentalists are the only ones claiming that the Bible is without error.
So fundamentalists are the only ones who have to prove any of their claims.

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Oncedeceived said:

Claiming a supernatural inspiration is one thing and it is quite another to claim that the authors are forgers. I don't have to show that the writers are who they say they are or whether or not they have given their scribes the words to use in their books as the early followers of Christ did that for us. It is up to those that two Millenniums later who make the claim they are forgeries to provide proof of that claim.

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HitchSlap said:

Which they have done and you have ignored. That's on you.

The only books that are unanimously accepted as Paul's are: Romans, 1/2 Corinth., Galatians, Philemon and maybe Philipians and 1 Thess. All other books of Paul are thought to be pseudonymous.

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cloudyday2 said:

Here are some Wikipedia articles that summarize the varying views on authorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Pauline_epistles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Johannine_works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Petrine_epistles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_James#Authorship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Jude#Authorship

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