Vaccines

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

So, I have done a lot of research on vaccines and I'm not convinced they work well, if at all. Call me crazy, but my children have had many adverse reactions so I'm really in a dilemma. California law says they must be vaccinated to go to public school (which I really don't want them at anyways, but I've been struggling with homeschooling so it's one of the only options I have) another thing is (and it's been confirmed by both of my doctors so I'm not crazy) Most vaccines, especially the flu shot have aborted fetal tissue in them. There is actually a huge market for lung tissue from aborted males during a certain gestation time. Anyways, how is it okay as Catholics to even vaccinate knowing that there is literally dead children in vaccines. Again, I'm not trying to sound crazy. I've been very pro vaccination until I found out about the many adverse effects and ingredients. Not to mention my own experiences. Just curious on your thoughts.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

Flu shots do not have aborted fetal tissue in them. Me? I can't help you. The science provides enough proof for me to be for vaccination. Sorry. :sorry:

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf This is a link that specifically talks about which cell strains are derived from fetal tissue and whats not. There are more scientific links as well. They can't all be wrong can they?

stage five · Feb 9, 2016

I don't mean to be rude, but I will be very upfront...

cmarie423 said:
So, I have done a lot of research on vaccines

Do you mean you searched published research like on pubmed that are scientifically based, or did you read articles or books?

and I'm not convinced they work well, if at all.

That's completely untrue. Many diseases have been completely or nearly wiped out through vaccinations. Only a few remain where people are not getting vaccinated. There have been out breaks where people have stopped using them.

Call me crazy, but my children have had many adverse reactions so I'm really in a dilemma.

To normal vaccinations for deadly diseases? Did your doctor confirm this?

California law says they must be vaccinated to go to public school (which I really don't want them at anyways, but I've been struggling with homeschooling so it's one of the only options I have) another thing is (and it's been confirmed by both of my doctors so I'm not crazy) Most vaccines, especially the flu shot have aborted fetal tissue in them.

That's not true, at all.

There is actually a huge market for lung tissue from aborted males during a certain gestation time. Anyways, how is it okay as Catholics to even vaccinate knowing that there is literally dead children in vaccines.

Because there are absolutely NO dead fetal tissues in vaccines.

Again, I'm not trying to sound crazy. I've been very pro vaccination until I found out about the many adverse effects and ingredients. Not to mention my own experiences. Just curious on your thoughts.

Sadly, everyone is a health expert now because they think books and articles are informative and its really dangerous. I cannot believe all the fads and junk science people are buying into.

There was a time when our society used traditional medicine, was all organic, and vaccine free. It was absolutely miserable. Why people think this is ideal is beyond me. I can understand avoiding flu shots, but the required vaccinations should be given to children and children should be removed from the home if they do not get them.

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted-fetuses-vaccines/story?id=29005539 okay here is what I was talking about in the beginning

stage five · Feb 9, 2016

cmarie423 said:
https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf This is a link that specifically talks about which cell strains are derived from fetal tissue and whats not. There are more scientific links as well. They can't all be wrong can they?

There are not fetal tissues in vaccines. Several vaccines were originally developed from those tissues, but they do not require them to make them. They are not injecting fetal tissues into people.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

I'm sorry but you kind find any kind of tripe like this on the Internet. The flu vaccine is not made from fetal cells.

cmarie423 said:
https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf This is a link that specifically talks about which cell strains are derived from fetal tissue and whats not. There are more scientific links as well. They can't all be wrong can they?

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

stage five said:
I don't mean to be rude, but I will be very upfront...

Do you mean you searched published research like on pubmed that are scientifically based, or did you read articles or books?

That's completely untrue. Many diseases have been completely or nearly wiped out through vaccinations. Only a few remain where people are not getting vaccinated. There have been out breaks where people have stopped using them.

To normal vaccinations for deadly diseases? Did your doctor confirm this?

That's not true, at all.

Because there are absolutely NO dead fetal tissues in vaccines.

Sadly, everyone is a health expert now because they think books and articles are informative and its really dangerous. I cannot believe all the fads and junk science people are buying into.

There was a time when our society used traditional medicine, was all organic, and vaccine free. It was absolutely miserable. Why people think this is ideal is beyond me. I can understand avoiding flu shots, but the required vaccinations should be given to children and children should be removed from the home if they do not get them.

I have talked to multiple doctors who say while they are safe some are derived from fetal tissue. Besides that my kids are up to date but they have all had horrible reactions, which is why I even researched to begin with. I'm not talking about crackpot medicine either, I mean literally reading the vaccine inserts. Also, don't you think that's a bit insane? Someones children taken away because of vaccines, seriously?

stage five · Feb 9, 2016

Michie said:
I'm sorry but you kind find any kind of tripe like this on the Internet. The flu vaccine is not derived from fetal cells.

I guess we should be clear. There is a difference between using fetal tissues and developing a cell line from fetal tissues.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

stage five said:
I guess we should be clear. There is a difference between using fetal tissues and developing a cell line from fetal tissues.

Right.

stage five · Feb 9, 2016

cmarie423 said:
I have talked to multiple doctors who say while they are safe some are derived from fetal tissue.

Yes, they are "derived" meaning at the very beginning they used fetal tissue to develop the vaccine. That is completely different from saying you are putting fetal tissues in vaccines.

Besides that my kids are up to date but they have all had horrible reactions, which is why I even researched to begin with. I'm not talking about crackpot medicine either, I mean literally reading the vaccine inserts. Also, don't you think that's a bit insane? Someones children taken away because of vaccines, seriously?

Yes, that's child endangerment.
Did your kids die from the vaccinations? That's the side effect of not doing it. A vaccination works by introducing a small portion of the virus into the body so it can react to it and develop and immunity. So yes, there can be reactions, because they are being infected by part of the virus.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

We have been encouraged in Church to get flu shots and pneumonia shots. We even have a parish nurse that does them.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

I used the wrong word and changed it. But the vaccine for flu is made from chicken eggs. I was told by the nurse injecting them that there was no use of fetal cells to invent it.

stage five said:
Yes, they are "derived" meaning at the very beginning they used fetal tissue to develop the vaccine. That is completely different from saying you are putting fetal tissues in vaccines.

Yes, that's child endangerment.
Did your kids die from the vaccinations? That's the side effect of not doing it. A vaccination works by introducing a small portion of the virus into the body so it can react to it and develop and immunity. So yes, there can be reactions, because they are being infected by part of the virus.

Michie · Feb 9, 2016

What is more pro-life? Vaccinations to prevent death and disease of yourself or others or forgoing a vaccine?

JimR-OCDS · Feb 9, 2016

If you don't immunize your children, you open them to diseases which would otherwise be avoidable.

You also open society up to diseases which your children may get.

With all the illegal immigration going on in the US, diseases which were once nonexistent in the US, have returned.

Get your children immunized and avoid following Dr Internet.

Jim

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

stage five said:
Yes, they are "derived" meaning at the very beginning they used fetal tissue to develop the vaccine. That is completely different from saying you are putting fetal tissues in vaccines.

Yes, that's child endangerment.
Did your kids die from the vaccinations? That's the side effect of not doing it. A vaccination works by introducing a small portion of the virus into the body so it can react to it and develop and immunity. So yes, there can be reactions, because they are being infected by part of the virus.

Again, I'm not saying I know everything which is why I asked in the first place. Second, no they did not die. Obviously. But, I do know of people who have had children die as a reaction to certain vaccines. I see where you are coming from but I don't think people should have their children taken away. That's beyond ridiculous. Abuse, yes. Horrid living conditions, yes. But, a perfectly happy home where a parent literally goes to the doctor for any ailment but chooses not to vaccinate has their children taken away? That's insanely militaristic and horrible. Taking a parents right away is not okay.

Rhamiel · Feb 9, 2016

if your kids have adverse reactions to vaccines then find a doctor who you trust and tell the doctor your concerns

the use of aborted babies in the development of vaccines is crime and a sin, and God will punish those who did that
you did not kill any child, you did not act like a ghoul and manipulate the corpse to design medicine
the sin is not on you even if you benefit from the developments in science done by evil men

I mean the Nazis developed a lot of jet engine technology, but I still ride in planes when I have to go somewhere

do not let unthinking people who blindly follow or blindly reject social norms push you one way or another

find a good doctor, tell the doctor about the medical history of your children
your first obligation is to your family

God bless you my dear sister in Christ
I hope all else is well with you and your family?

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

I don't know why it added a picture but whatever...lol

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

Rhamiel said:
if your kids have adverse reactions to vaccines then find a doctor who you trust and tell the doctor your concerns

the use of aborted babies in the development of vaccines is crime and a sin, and God will punish those who did that
you did not kill any child, you did not act like a ghoul and manipulate the corpse to design medicine
the sin is not on you even if you benefit from the developments in science done by evil men

I mean the Nazis developed a lot of jet engine technology, but I still ride in planes when I have to go somewhere

do not let unthinking people who blindly follow or blindly reject social norms push you one way or another

find a good doctor, tell the doctor about your the medical history of your children
your first obligation is to your family

God bless you my dear sister in Christ
I hope all else is well with you and your family?

Thank you!
See, I'm just trying to look for answers here. I do need a new doctor, I don't really like the one we have. Or rather, two different ones we've had. I'm okay I suppose. Just trying to do a million things, haha. I have a FB again so you should shoot me a request.

cmarie423 · Feb 9, 2016

JimR-OCDS said:
If you don't immunize your children, you open them to diseases which would otherwise be avoidable.

You also open society up to diseases which your children may get.

With all the illegal immigration going on in the US, diseases which were once nonexistent in the US, have returned.

Get your children immunized and avoid following Dr Internet.

Jim

They are vaccinated, nor am I playing dr internet. It's the actual vaccine insert that bothers me. Besides that, I also worry that we can sue every company for every drug made but vaccines we cant. We have to go to "Vaccine court". Just weird to me

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