Jesus is not the original Greek or Aramaic pronunciation, so how can it save?

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... and of these it seems good to me now to speak of another, for it conduces to your hereby knowing Jesus, whom we also know to have been Christ the Son of God, who was crucified, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, and will come again to judge all men, even up to Adam himself. You are aware, then,” I continued, “that when the ark of the testimony was seized by the enemies of Ashdod,24642464 See 1 Sam. v. and a terrible and incurable malady had broken out among them, they resolved to place it on a cart to which they yoked cows that had recently calved, for the purpose of ascertaining by trial whether or not they had been plagued by God’s power on account of the ark, and if God wished it to be taken back to the place from which it had been carried away. And when they had done this, the cows, led by no man, went not to the place whence the ark had been taken, but to the fields of a certain man whose name was Oshea, the same as his whose name was altered to Jesus (Joshua), as has been previously mentioned, who also led the people into the land and meted it out to them: and when the cows had come into these fields they remained there, showing to you thereby that they were guided by the name of power;24652465 Or, “by the power of the name.” [1 Sam. vi. 14. Joshua in English version.] just as formerly the people who survived of those that came out of Egypt, were guided into the land by him who had received the name Jesus (Joshua), who before was called Oshea.
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Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand what you're saying.

Angels told both Mary and Joseph that they were going to have a child, who would have the throne of David and save people from their sins. They were told what to call this child, and in our Bibles, that name is Jesus.
He was the Messiah, the Christ, died for our sins and saved us - pronounce his name, Yeshua, Joshua or whatever, it's the same person.
A person is saved if they believe in, and accept, him; not if they pronounce his name correctly.
 
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Our Bibles are merely weird English translations.

But he is still the Saviour. And I'm not accusing you of anything, but I am certain that the devil would like to deflect attention away from the Saviour - who not only saves us from eternal death but defeated the devil on the cross - by getting us to worry that we are not saying/spelling his name correctly.
 
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It has to do with the Bible. I don't follow any Church doctrine.

My questions to you are, How do you get saved? What is the gospel you go by?
If you only go by the bible and don't follow church doctrine.
 
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Wouldnt that be like asking, "If you only go by that which is profitable for doctrine (even for the churches themselves) how does one get saved by any of that doctrine? That being the scriptures, or at least that which Paul had said to Timothy that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise "unto salvation" through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. And again, that neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
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I would use the Greek pronunciation of the Son's Name.
The greek translation is not His real name.... why is it you can use another transliteration but the rest of us can't?

I agree with the above poster that said this is nothing more than a satanic distraction... focus people... He is even at the door.
 
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Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand what you're saying.

Angels told both Mary and Joseph that they were going to have a child, who would have the throne of David and save people from their sins. They were told what to call this child, and in our Bibles, that name is Jesus.
He was the Messiah, the Christ, died for our sins and saved us - pronounce his name, Yeshua, Joshua or whatever, it's the same person.
A person is saved if they believe in, and accept, him; not if they pronounce his name correctly.
I agree. The point was simply that Jesus/Joshua was prophesied as Messiah in the OT in a number of ways. (The background oddly is folks didn't know the name Jesus/Joshua was found in the OT. It is to reinforce what we believe as Christians.
 
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This is actually interesting to me,

^_^

Tradition interesting?! ^_^

Whoda thought?

you think that could be tied into these here?

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

And here, as he was made of a woman made under the law, Paul says

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Like right there, till the seed should come, he being made of a woman made under the law (which was ordained of angels) in the hand of a mediator, where we see in both cases an angel (which appeared to Mary) and which appeared to Joseph (in a dream) which gave the actual name shown in Matthew 1:20, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:25 & Luke 2:21

Edit, needed to fix a verse, wasnt Luke 21:21 but Luke 2:21

You got it. Prophesied and prophecy fulfilled.
 
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The New Testament was originally composed in Greek.

Its not a translation.
The Gospel was originally spoken in Aramaic. The Greek is a translation, even if it wasn't written in Aramaic first.
 
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^_^

Tradition interesting?! ^_^

Whoda thought?



You got it. Prophesied and prophecy fulfilled.


Is that what that was? ^_^

Well it sounded along the lines of scripture, I didnt go to the link itself, but I was thinking along the lines of the name (in the thread) and this guys reasoning you had posted, then Moses (the law) woman (under) law (ordained of angels) and the name given to men by the same (from that point of view) And them (the disciples) finding him (who Moses wrote of) Jesus the son of Joseph.

Well, I guess it looks like chicken scratch but it was coming together in my head, Ive been up 24 hours need some sleep. Nite nite.
 
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The Gospel was originally spoken in Aramaic. The Greek is a translation, even if it wasn't written in Aramaic first.

I agree. :oldthumbsup:
Some of the Gospels retain some of the Aramaic words/phrases. I think that Eloi, Eloi, lama sabbactani is one of them.
 
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I would use the Greek pronunciation of the Son's Name.

Have you ever heard of a hyperbole?
It is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally.

The hyperboles are used a lot in the scriptures. Because back in those days after Christ had resurrected, they had to convince with words as we do today.

You don't get saved by the Name of Jesus...You get saved by repenting of your sins and placing your trust in Jesus.

It's important that we know His name, Jesus, yes. But it's more important that He knows you.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Mat 7:21 KJV)
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (Mat 7:22 KJV)
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat 7:23 KJV)

This also, shows that calling out in the name of the Lord, can get you into Heaven.
Some people won't. Because they made their so called Christian life about them, they ignored His Word, They ignored his commands, lived the way they wanted to and made their own rules. They made it all about them. And not Christ. They didn't surrender all and give Jesus everything. They didn't do what Paul did....to die is gain, to live is Christ.

So, if you want to continue placing your trust in something that has nothing to do with salvation. Then you may one day be one of the ones that Jesus says. "Depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you."
I truly hope that is not the case.
If you have broken God's commandments and not repented and placed your trust in Jesus. You will have sin in your life. If you die with those sins. They will take you to Hell.
 
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I go by the Bible, not people."
My Bible (I do so love saying that!) says His name is Yaesu-Nim. So unless you're saying that the magic in your English Bible is greater than the magic in my Korean Bible, then 예수님 is the only name under heaven by which we must be saved. Roger that?
 
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Actually no, since Jesus is not in the original Greek.
So do you believe that the magic name is the one rendered in English, the one He was given in Hebrew, or The Original Greek? (Me? I'm sticking with the Korean.)
 
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But he is still the Saviour. And I'm not accusing you of anything, but I am certain that the devil would like to deflect attention away from the Saviour - who not only saves us from eternal death but defeated the devil on the cross - by getting us to worry that we are not saying/spelling his name correctly.
It's worse than that. It turns us away from our Lord Christ Himself being our salvation, but simply His name as a magic word. "Oops, didn't say the magic word, no salvation for you! Missed it by that much! Please take a seat in that handbasket." It reduces our faith in Christ as our Redeemer to a matter of saying the right words and performing the correct procedures. In other words, magic. Purely diabolical.
 
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The New Testament was originally composed in Greek.

Its not a translation.
Except for the bits where the original texts were written in Aramaic. And at His bris, our Lord wouldn't have received a Greek, or Aramaic, or English name, but a Hebrew one.
 
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My Bible (I do so love saying that!) says His name is Yaesu-Nim. So unless you're saying that the magic in your English Bible is greater than the magic in my Korean Bible, then 예수님 is the only name under heaven by which we must be saved. Roger that?

Now if you are Japanese, He is YaeSu Nim; in Tamil, YaeSu Nim; in Fiji, Jisu; or in Russia, Èèñóñ .

Why do we need to make such a simple thing so complicated? If you are reading this blog, God bless you, I sincerely mean no insult or offense to anyone from any of the various camps. It is only after hearing or reading numerous renditions of JESUS in the English-speaking and especially the non-Jewish Christians, that we were led to write this.

Note, there are a lot of people named in the Bible, why stop with only another translation version of Jesus? Here is a list in Romans of some of the other NAMES saints of God that Jesus lived in:
Rom. 16:
8 Salute Ampliatus...
9 Salute Urbanus... and Stachys my beloved.
10 Salute Apelles... the household of Aristobulus.
11 Salute Herodion... Narcissus...
12 Salute Tryphaena and Tryphosa.. Salute Persis....
13 Salute Rufus ....
14 Salute Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas...
15 Salute Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints
And do not forget Mattew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, Titus, Paul (i.e. Shaul/ Saul), Philomen, Cornelius, Dorcas, and others.

Hopefully, you will see some humor in this exercise by now.
The chances are very good that if you are reading and understanding these words site is because you read and understand English no matter what your ancestry might be. And if you are the typical American Christian, you probably read and believe in the Bible Scriptures that you read in English, even if we get a bit tongue tied over some of the Biblical names.

So no matter how you pronounce or say His name. He still saves.
 
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