How to Prepare for when there is no sunlight and moonlight in the future?

waves · Feb 7, 2016

Matthew 24 verses 25-31

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6 verse 12-17:

[12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

What will happen to us as well as the earth when the sun is darkened and the moon will not give any light? What can we do to prepare for it? A few years ago I heard that persons living in Alaska, experience darkness when it is day sometimes.

JackRT · Feb 7, 2016

waves said:
What will happen to us as well as the earth when the sun is darkened and the moon will not give any light?

We will all die. The rich might be able to make provisions to last a little longer. But they will die too.

waves said:
A few years ago I heard that persons living in Alaska, experience darkness when it is day sometimes.

People living above the Arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle experience total darkness several months of the year.

Please keep in mind that apocalyptic language is quite allegorical.

Martinius · Feb 7, 2016

No sunlight? Everything dies very quickly.

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

Martinius said:
No sunlight? Everything dies very quickly.

The darkness must be temporary or limited in scope. In one of the other judgments (a trumpet, which is later than the seals, since the seventh seal = seven trumpets), 1/3 of the day and 1/3 of the night is dark. There's probably a cosmic disturbance somewhere in space that partially blocks the light from reaching earth--perhaps as a result of a solar flare. In another judgment, the kingdom of the beast is plunged into darkness (remember the plague of darkness in Egypt)?

Check this out about the sun and moon:

Psalm 89
34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
35 Once I have sworn by My holiness;
I will not lie to David:
36 His seed shall endure forever,
And his throne as the sun before Me;
37 It shall be established forever like the moon,
Even like the faithful witness in the sky.”

Yes, the sun and moon will go away eventually, but not before Jesus (the Seed of David) has done everything He promised.

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

JackRT said:
We will all die. The rich might be able to make provisions to last a little longer. But they will die too.

People living above the Arctic circle and below the Antarctic circle experience total darkness several months of the year.

Please keep in mind that apocalyptic language is quite allegorical.

The Bible doesn't say people all die. Many people die during the seals, bowls and trumpets, but some survive, whether they like it or not. (And some Christians, too--in my opinion, the 144,000 Jewish sealed believers, and perhaps new converts in a place where the mark of the beast doesn't have dominion... maybe Israel).

I think a lot of the language in the seals, bowls and trumpets is actually quite straightforward.

Seals:
Conqueror (without war), war, famine, death, Christian martyrdom, earthquake/hail and cosmic disturbances (sun appears dark)

Trumpets/Bowls (seem to coincide, IMO)
1 - 1/3 trees and green grass burned up (bowl: people who have the mark of the beast get a painful, festering sore)
2 - 1/3 sea affected (bowl: turns to blood) and everything in the affected waters dies
3 - 1/3 springs/rivers affected (seal: turns to blood) and every living thing in the affected waters die.
4 - 1/3 day dark, 1/3 night dark and (seal: men are scorched by the sun) (maybe a very large solar flare would cause both effects)?
5 - 'locusts' (demons, it sounds like) ascend from the bottomless pit (obscuring the sun because of the great cloud) and sting anyone (as the sting of a scorpion) who doesn't have the seal of God--the sting tortures them for 5 months but they can't die (seal: darkness on the kingdom of the beast, and painful sores)
6 - 1/3 mankind killed by an army of 200 million after 4 angels released from the Euphrates, by fire, smoke and brimstone (seal: Euphrates is dried up to make way for a large army from the east, summoned by demons in the dragon, beast and false prophet. The army ultimately assembles in Armageddon)
7 - lightnings, noises, thunderings, earthquake, great hail (seal: noises, thunderings, lightnings, great earthquake, up to 100 pound hailstones)

LaSorcia · Feb 9, 2016

I watched the solar eclipse in the UK in 1999. It got really cold, really fast. We wouldn't last long without sunshine.

Martinius · Feb 9, 2016

Some passages of the Bible may say that everyone doesn't die, but scientific reality tells us they will.

The passages from Psalm 89 are comparisons with the sun and moon; note the words 'as' and 'like'. It is not about the sun and moon.

But let me depart from here without further comment; I just realized that I came to the wrong forum. Carry on, and regards.

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

LaSorcia said:
I watched the solar eclipse in the UK in 1999. It got really cold, really fast. We wouldn't last long without sunshine.

Yeah, but freezing is really the opposite of what it's talking about it Revelation.

Just because the sun isn't visible all the time, doesn't mean it isn't there.

Revelation 16:8
8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.

Speaking of the great multitude clothed in white robes (Tribulation martyrs - see Revelation 6:9-11 and 7:9-14), it says of them (after their deaths, when their souls are in heaven):

Revelation 7:16-17
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Isaiah 24:5-6
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants,
Because they have transgressed the laws,
Changed the ordinance,
Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth,
And those who dwell in it are desolate.
Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
And few men are left.

And in 2 Peter 3:3-13, it talks about the judgment by fire.

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

Martinius said:
Some passages of the Bible may say that everyone doesn't die, but scientific reality tells us they will.

The passages from Psalm 89 are comparisons with the sun and moon; note the words 'as' and 'like'. It is not about the sun and moon.

But let me depart from here without further comment; I just realized that I came to the wrong forum. Carry on, and regards.

Look, Psalms 89 is saying just as the sun and moon will continue, so also will God be faithful to fulfill His covenant.

I know this thread should probably be in eschatology but I'll let the forum people move it if they want to.

You sound very confident in your "scientific" knowledge, but it will perish. Are you more knowledgable than God? The Word of the Lord stands forever. Although many will die, it says some people will survive. They absolutely will survive. For your sake, please stop scoffing and believe His whole Word.

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

waves said:
What will happen to us as well as the earth when the sun is darkened and the moon will not give any light? What can we do to prepare for it?

We can prepare by believing God's Word and obeying it. Jesus told us to be His witnesses and make disciples, so that's a work to be involved in. Our focus should not be on surviving, but on overcoming--being faithful unto death, if that is asked of us.

Revelation 12:11
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

Matthew 16:24-25
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

To the church of Laodicea (which may apply to most of the Church today), (Jesus speaking):

Revelation 3:21
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

We can prepare by seeking Christ with our whole hearts, purifying ourselves as He is pure (1 John 3:3) (through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course), so that we will not be deceived or ineffective witnesses.

Tiny Bible · Feb 9, 2016

The Bible also says that iron sharpens iron which is untrue.
I'd suggest rethinking the eschatology theme in scripture. The verses are indeed allegorical. Very little of the bible is to be taken literally.Jesus said he spoke in parables for a reason. That was a clue as to all of the text pertaining to the faith in the Father.

Luke17:37 said:
The Bible doesn't say people all die. Many people die during the seals, bowls and trumpets, but some survive, whether they like it or not. (And some Christians, too--in my opinion, the 144,000 Jewish sealed believers, and perhaps new converts in a place where the mark of the beast doesn't have dominion... maybe Israel).

I think a lot of the language in the seals, bowls and trumpets is actually quite straightforward.

Seals:
Conqueror (without war), war, famine, death, Christian martyrdom, earthquake/hail and cosmic disturbances (sun appears dark)

Trumpets/Bowls (seem to coincide, IMO)
1 - 1/3 trees and green grass burned up (bowl: people who have the mark of the beast get a painful, festering sore)
2 - 1/3 sea affected (bowl: turns to blood) and everything in the affected waters dies
3 - 1/3 springs/rivers affected (seal: turns to blood) and every living thing in the affected waters die.
4 - 1/3 day dark, 1/3 night dark and (seal: men are scorched by the sun) (maybe a very large solar flare would cause both effects)?
5 - 'locusts' (demons, it sounds like) ascend from the bottomless pit (obscuring the sun because of the great cloud) and sting anyone (as the sting of a scorpion) who doesn't have the seal of God--the sting tortures them for 5 months but they can't die (seal: darkness on the kingdom of the beast, and painful sores)
6 - 1/3 mankind killed by an army of 200 million after 4 angels released from the Euphrates, by fire, smoke and brimstone (seal: Euphrates is dried up to make way for a large army from the east, summoned by demons in the dragon, beast and false prophet. The army ultimately assembles in Armageddon)
7 - lightnings, noises, thunderings, earthquake, great hail (seal: noises, thunderings, lightnings, great earthquake, up to 100 pound hailstones)

Luke17:37 · Feb 9, 2016

Tiny Bible said:
The Bible also says that iron sharpens iron which is untrue.
I'd suggest rethinking the eschatology theme in scripture. The verses are indeed allegorical. Very little of the bible is to be taken literally.Jesus said he spoke in parables for a reason. That was a clue as to all of the text pertaining to the faith in the Father.

Parables and prophecy are meant to convey the truth to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see, and keep the rest in the dark.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The Bible is mostly literal historical or literal future.

Figures of speech like "iron sharpens iron" (about the mutual benefits of Christian fellowship) are typically quite obvious.

God's creation by water in six ordinary days and the worldwide flood aren't allegories--they are true history. They are the most attacked Scriptures right now from within the professing church, but that doesn't surprise God. He prophesied it in clearly in 2 Peter 3:3-9 and hints at it the way He speaks to the Laodicean church in Revelation 3, calling Himself "the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God."

I've studied biblical eschatology deeply for more than five years, everywhere it can be found, which is much more than the gospels, Daniel and Revelation.

Many people will be deceived. Jesus says so. I believe it. Still, I feel a responsibility to share what He has taught me from His Word because I love the Church and I don't want to sit back and watch people perish for lack of wisdom.

This concludes my words to you.

DawnStar · Feb 10, 2016

Luke17:37 said:
I've studied biblical eschatology deeply for more than five years, everywhere it can be found, which is much more than the gospels, Daniel and Revelation.

And there are many other people who have studied eschatology much longer than you have who will tell you your interpretation is inaccurate.

Luke17:37 · Feb 10, 2016

DawnStar said:
And there are many other people who have studied eschatology much longer than you have who will tell you your interpretation is inaccurate.

I don't care about that. I care about what Scripture says, not an abundance of men or their supposed wisdom. Jesus warns profusely that many will be deceived and fall away from the faith in the Tribulation. To be among the many at the end is not where I want to be.

I wrote a book detailing why I believe what I believe from Scripture. In God's time, God willing, it will be published.

Matthew 11:25-26
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.

I won't apologize for the fact that I'm "young." And I am not that young anymore--I am older than Jesus was, humanly, when He left the earth. I was a teenager when God first taught me the truth about the rapture from a careful, diligent study of His Word. He did not despise my youth but answered my plea for wisdom and understanding.

If you are willing, consider Matthew 13. Notice the wheat (Christians) and tares (false Christians) grow together until the end of the age. The tares are gathered first and destroyed, then the righteous are gathered. There is no such thing as a pre- or mid-tribulation rapture. They are lies to destabilize the faith of some.

DawnStar · Feb 10, 2016

Luke17:37 said:
He did not despise my youth but answered my plea for wisdom and understanding.

The many who would disagree with your stance also believe that their wisdom and understanding of eschatology came from God.
Some also probably believe that those who do NOT understand eschatology as they do are NOT getting their wisdom and understanding from God.
See how this works? It is a never-ending circle of argument, accusation, and frivolous discussion that in the end solves nothing and only puffs up the ego of those who believe they are on the side of God.

Luke17:37 · Feb 10, 2016

DawnStar said:
The many who would disagree with your stance also believe that their wisdom and understanding of eschatology came from God.
Some also probably believe that those who do NOT understand eschatology as they do are NOT getting their wisdom and understanding from God.
See how this works? It is a never-ending circle of argument, accusation, and frivolous discussion that in the end solves nothing and only puffs up the ego of those who believe they are on the side of God.

Convincing people is God's job, not mine.

It's not as though the truth is impossible to learn. The gathering of the Church is not frivolous. It is possible to gain understanding from the Word, unless a person refuses to believe the Word of God (won't put up with sound doctrine). Some will see, but many will be deceived (says Jesus in Matthew 24). Perhaps it will be half and half, like the parable of the virgins (Matthew 25). (That would break my heart... that's still a lot of people.)

God and I can be concerned about my ego. I am irrelevant to God's eternal Word. It is not egotistical to want to share the truth, especially when God may use it to keep people from being deceived. Neglecting to open my mouth because people might not like the potential implications of what I am teaching would be fearing men more than God and hating the Church, in my opinion. I do not hate the Church, nor do I hate the lost.

You seem pretty upset about this. Maybe ask yourself why. Take me out of the equation and deal directly with God. Did you read the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew 13, and Jesus' explanation? You don't need to write me back. Praying for God's best for you. In Christ.

DawnStar · Feb 10, 2016

Luke17:37 said:
You seem pretty upset about this. Maybe ask yourself why. Take me out of the equation and deal directly with God.

Why is it that when someone points out erroneous thinking to another person that they are accused of being upset?
As far as dealing directly with God I believe the He has given me the "wisdom and understanding" to know that being a self-proclaimed expert in eschatological matters is not essential to anyones salvation or ability to proclaim His message of grace.

Luke17:37 · Feb 10, 2016

DawnStar said:
Why is it that when someone points out erroneous thinking to another person that they are accused of being upset?
As far as dealing directly with God I believe the He has given me the "wisdom and understanding" to know that being a self-proclaimed expert in eschatological matters is not essential to anyones salvation or ability to proclaim His message of grace.

You didn't point out any erroneous information in my statements.

Good day.

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