Pacifism among Adventists

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A little bump. There was a very interesting article in the November 2015 issue of Adventist Review, it tells the story of an adventist who was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1914:

"This was a problem for Albin, because he was a conscientious objector and refused to carry a gun. He also believed in keeping holy the biblical seventh-day Sabbath and would not work on Saturday. Military officials were not sympathetic.

“My dad first tried to get into the Medical Corps, but he was refused,” Paul explains. “The Army was bound and determined that they were going to make him carry a gun and work on Sabbath—and they took very strong measures in their attempts to do that.”

Paul says his father was beaten numerous times, sometimes until he was unconscious. He would then be revived by buckets of water being poured over him, and beaten again.

“They chained him to iron bars while standing up, 10 hours at a time. He was unable to sit down,” Paul says. “My dad said that during those times he would sing, ‘Face to face with Christ my Savior.’ This was his favorite song to his dying day.”


Read the entire article here:
A Prisoner of Conscience - Albin Conrad chose court-martial over compromise. http://www.adventistreview.org/1526-32
 
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I am not your nanny.. you can do your own research if you are as interested as you say...
You were the one that brought up the idea that the Civil War was not necessarily fought over slavery, but as you said "Actually, it was much more than that... it was about keeping the Rothschild bankers and their Jesuit handlers from taking control of the country.".

I still have no idea where you got this idea, and am interested in some sort of rational or documentation for it. I have never heard of such a theory in my reading of many, many Civil War books and being a member of Civil War forums.
 
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You were the one that brought up the idea that the Civil War was not necessarily fought over slavery, but as you said "Actually, it was much more than that... it was about keeping the Rothschild bankers and their Jesuit handlers from taking control of the country.".

I still have no idea where you got this idea, and am interested in some sort of rational or documentation for it. I have never heard of such a theory in my reading of many, many Civil War books and being a member of Civil War forums.

Maybe we need a clinic on how to use Google...
Anywho, here's one link of many, quoting historical figures pertaining to the Jesuits... Lincolns quotes are part way down.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30408550/Quotes-About-the-Jesuit-Order-From-Famous-People#scribd
 
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I would like to have some understanding of the history and current practice among Adventists. My main experience has been with Quakers who started out as pacifists. These days, like all denominations, there are a variety of approaches among them. The liberal Quakers (some of whom can hardly be called "Christians") have maintained the pacifist position but, mostly, it is not Christ centered as it was among the early Quakers. The evangelical Quakers may be officially pacifists but many ignore or are embarrassed by it. Like many Christians, their religion has been 'Americanized.'

In relation to this, I note that Ben Carson was at the top of his class in ROTC etc. Did he grow up Adventist or was there a later conversion? One friend who was a Quaker pastor had an army general as a recorded member (though he did not live anywhere near; it was a matter of his family being member.)



https://spurgeonwarquotes.wordpress.com/
Traditionally Adventist were trained to be medics or support the troops in that field. The story of Desmond Doss was more of the norm...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
 
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