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In a church gathering is it possible for the Holy Spirit to use each and everyone one of us saints rather than the pastor or speaker on the pulpit?

Recently I sensed a burden to stir up the gifts of the Holy Spirit which the bible clearly says is available and given to each one for the profit of all (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). I want to know am I the only one feeling this way or is there anyone else feeling this way?

As of recent, it appears although every time I am among other believers whether in church or at home fellowship, I sense God wants to do more during such meetings. Yet I am left with a sense of frustration much like although His presence is restricted and that the gifts within each person are dormant and never to be put to use or exercised (ie healing, faith, prophesy etc). I have found myself screaming silently inside at times asking why we seem to be happy with mere routines rather than desiring to see God at work fully in each of us except the man or woman of God on the pulpit? I solemn wonder what would happen if we would dare to believe that in a gathering of the saints the presence of God can be made manifest and that the gits of Holy Spirit would be activated in each person as He did in the book of acts. What's your thoughts?
 

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In a church gathering is it possible for the Holy Spirit to use each and everyone one of us saints rather than the pastor or speaker on the pulpit?

Yes. But in a decent and orderly fashion. (1Cor. 14:40) "God is not the Author of confusion," the apostle Paul wrote (1Cor. 14:33) and it is not of God, then, when a service erupts in a cacophony of sound and confusion of activity. The pastor is the God-ordained leader of the local church. To override him in a service without his permission is to disrespect his role and the God-given authority that goes with it.

Recently I sensed a burden to stir up the gifts of the Holy Spirit which the bible clearly says is available and given to each one for the profit of all (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). I want to know am I the only one feeling this way or is there anyone else feeling this way?

I don't know that there is any biblical mandate for this "stirring up" you want to do. Why don't you pray and ask God to stir up His people? Wouldn't He do a better job than you in stirring up in His people the gifts He has given them?

As of recent, it appears although every time I am among other believers whether in church or at home fellowship, I sense God wants to do more during such meetings.

It seems to me God always wants to do more with us than we are typically ready for Him to do. But He is not in a terrible hurry to transform us and deepen our fellowship with Him. He's wanting to grow mighty oaks, not squashes, and that takes time.

Yet I am left with a sense of frustration much like although His presence is restricted and that the gifts within each person are dormant and never to be put to use or exercised (ie healing, faith, prophesy etc). I have found myself screaming silently inside at times asking why we seem to be happy with mere routines rather than desiring to see God at work fully in each of us except the man or woman of God on the pulpit?

You know, God isn't that interested in putting on a show. His primary goal is transforming each of us such that the Person of Jesus Christ may be more clearly seen in us. (Ro. 8:29) His priority is not healing, and tongues, and prophecy but the development of the fruit of the Spirit (Ga. 5:22, 23), and holy living (2Co. 7:1; Eph. 4:24; 1Pe. 1:15, 16; 2Pe. 3:11), the preservation and teaching of sound doctrine (1Ti. 4:6; 2Ti. 4:2-5; Tit. 2:1-5; Ro. 16:17; Eph. 4:13-15), and the saving of the lost (Mk.16:15; Ac. 8:3, 4; 11:20). It is in these things He is most glorified, not in the tumult of modern "movements of the Spirit."

Selah.
 
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I agree with the OP regarding holy spirit stirring up gifts. But as it is written in the bible, we need to prayerfully pray and find out what kind of Gift God gave us to use. Then let the holy spirit guide us. we cannot dictate the how and when it will happen. Only God can do that. there are many incidents of "holy spirit" manifestations but its just trickery. The bible states that satan can be like an angel of light and deceive us.
I find myself constantly burdened like the op, seeing how many churches aren't sincere and prayerfully allowing God to take charge and allowing holy spirit guide us in the way that God wants us to go. many churches are more focused on programs, and the current "feel good" doctorine that are not what God taught us. We need to go back to reading the bible, and prayerfully tell the truth exactly the way Jesus would tell the truth. If we offend people, well like the bible says, Its better to please God than to please man.

So allow the holy spirit guide us, and same time obey what God says.

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Depends on what you mean by gifts. I believe Scripture outlines a select few that were used for Apostolic purposes that are no longer in used today that most people hold on to.

Gifts can, and in my opinion should, mean what God has gifted you with the ability to do well. If you have a talent for speaking or preaching, go preach on the street. If you have the gift of charisma then lead lost sheep to someone blessed with the ability and gift of preaching, and so forth.

If you feel you've been called to be a preacher yourself then that's something for your own discernment along with your church.
 
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Biblically Speaking, it happened at the last church we attended. It wasn't pastor vs congregation with gifts. The pastor knew when there was a prophetic word to be given and who was to give it, etc.
-"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts ..." I Cor 14:1
 
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Yes. But in a decent and orderly fashion. (1Cor. 14:40) "God is not the Author of confusion," the apostle Paul wrote (1Cor. 14:33) and it is not of God, then, when a service erupts in a cacophony of sound and confusion of activity. The pastor is the God-ordained leader of the local church. To override him in a service without his permission is to disrespect his role and the God-given authority that goes with it.



I don't know that there is any biblical mandate for this "stirring up" you want to do. Why don't you pray and ask God to stir up His people? Wouldn't He do a better job than you in stirring up in His people the gifts He has given them?



It seems to me God always wants to do more with us than we are typically ready for Him to do. But He is not in a terrible hurry to transform us and deepen our fellowship with Him. He's wanting to grow mighty oaks, not squashes, and that takes time.



You know, God isn't that interested in putting on a show. His primary goal is transforming each of us such that the Person of Jesus Christ may be more clearly seen in us. (Ro. 8:29) His priority is not healing, and tongues, and prophecy but the development of the fruit of the Spirit (Ga. 5:22, 23), and holy living (2Co. 7:1; Eph. 4:24; 1Pe. 1:15, 16; 2Pe. 3:11), the preservation and teaching of sound doctrine (1Ti. 4:6; 2Ti. 4:2-5; Tit. 2:1-5; Ro. 16:17; Eph. 4:13-15), and the saving of the lost (Mk.16:15; Ac. 8:3, 4; 11:20). It is in these things He is most glorified, not in the tumult of modern "movements of the Spirit."

Selah.

Hi Aiki, the Lord bless you for taking the time to respond.

By stirring up the gift, I mean as in 2 Timothy 1:6-7 (nkjv) where Paul says "therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind".

Paul was clearly encouraging Timothy to not walk in fear when it came to exercising the gift of God inside of him - this may either be in reference to him preaching, serving, healing, faith, prophesy etc (of course this does also refer to the fruit of the Holy Spirit). It seems to me that often today many of us tend to believe this is a mandate only for the few who we perceive are called to operate in such capacity especially in a gathering of saints. I totally agree that there need to be order as God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 13:33). However, my concern is that during a typical church service we often expect only the pastor to function with the gift of the Holy Spirit whilst many of us sit and watch. Rightly as you said it would be disrespectful to override any pastor in a service without his permission and the God-given authority that goes with it. However again this is where I believe there is a call for balance of scripture as my question would be is it the pastor's permission we should seek or God's? And is authority of exercising ones gifts in a gathering such as a church service granted only to a pastor of that congregation or to every and anybody God wishes to use?

For instance lets consider in the book of Acts, clearly the spirit fell on all who were at the upper room (Acts 2:41-42) and not just the 11 Apostles present at the time and although Peter was ordained to lead we could see that there were the other Apostles each uniquely ordained and given just as much authority. Today it seems only Pastors are ordained to lead and have the so called 'God given authority' whilst everyone else are relegated to mere 'follower' or even seat warmer status. I just pray for more of us to aspire for God to work in each and every one of us as He did with the early believers in Acts. Clearly there were no more special than us or is it that we lack what they had? The same Spirit that was poured us on them is the same given to us today the only difference in my view is that we have become like the children of Israel in that not only do we desire a king to lead us (1 Samuel 8) but that we wish that God uses and speaks to us through Moses rather than directly to each and everyone of us (Exodus 19 and 20).

Again maturity and growth in the Lord seemed to be a long winded process when the bible clearly shows us otherwise. Take Paul for instance his was a instant transformation and with just a year he had grown to a point whereby the Apostles recognised he was just as ordained and with as much authority as they. In fact Paul even rebuked Peter at one point (Galatians 2:11-21) to show that however much a leader Peter was he too was a man under authority and accountable to his fellow believers whether old or new in the faith as Paul was.

I agree to pursue the fruits of the Holy Spirit is far better than gifts of the Holy Spirit and that God desires to transform each of us rather than put on a show. I speak not of God putting on a show I speak like you that God transforms each of us and that we pursue growth in developing the fruits of the holy Spirit so that as Jesus said our love for one another may draw the lost to repentance and salvation in the Lord (John 13:35). This is where as Paul speaks we need to stir up the gift of God in each of us for the edification of the body of Christ and one to another. Rather than negate this to only be a command or responsibility of just Pastors or those called and ordained.

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Biblically Speaking, it happened at the last church we attended. It wasn't pastor vs congregation with gifts. The pastor knew when there was a prophetic word to be given and who was to give it, etc.
-"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts ..." I Cor 14:1

Hi tturt, this is encouraging to hear. You are blessed to have witnessed such move of the Holy Spirit. My prayer is that in this day and age where it appears as though only the Moses' and Elijah's who seemed to used and spoken to by God we should all wake up to the fact in this dispensation God desires to use, teach and speak to each and everyone of us directly (just as He had intended in Exodus 19 and 20 and Jesus reiterated in John 6:45). I would definitely be interested to hear some teaching by the said pastor mentioned and the ministry in question.

The Lord continue to bless you
 
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Love is the best gift. Love can bless a person like nothing else. Love edifies. Love is needing stirred.

Hebrews 10:24New International Version (NIV)

24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds,

Hi Extraneous,

I could not agree more, I guess perhaps this is what the burden is, in that love is not being demonstrated among us believers one to another during our gathering together on Sundays etc. We tend to concentrate more on the order of the service rather allow the Holy Spirit to do as He pleases through each and every one of us so that we in turn administer the same love on to another (John 13:35). Often our fellow brother and sisters come and leave the same and no one bothers to ask if all is well (I am certainly guilty of this).

May the Lord continue to give you wisdom and insight to bless many even as I have been blessed reading your response in Jesus Name.
 
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I agree with the OP regarding holy spirit stirring up gifts. But as it is written in the bible, we need to prayerfully pray and find out what kind of Gift God gave us to use. Then let the holy spirit guide us. we cannot dictate the how and when it will happen. Only God can do that. there are many incidents of "holy spirit" manifestations but its just trickery. The bible states that satan can be like an angel of light and deceive us.
I find myself constantly burdened like the op, seeing how many churches aren't sincere and prayerfully allowing God to take charge and allowing holy spirit guide us in the way that God wants us to go. many churches are more focused on programs, and the current "feel good" doctorine that are not what God taught us. We need to go back to reading the bible, and prayerfully tell the truth exactly the way Jesus would tell the truth. If we offend people, well like the bible says, Its better to please God than to please man.

So allow the holy spirit guide us, and same time obey what God says.

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Thanks Paul, well said and balanced view. God bless you.
 
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Depends on what you mean by gifts. I believe Scripture outlines a select few that were used for Apostolic purposes that are no longer in used today that most people hold on to.

Gifts can, and in my opinion should, mean what God has gifted you with the ability to do well. If you have a talent for speaking or preaching, go preach on the street. If you have the gift of charisma then lead lost sheep to someone blessed with the ability and gift of preaching, and so forth.

If you feel you've been called to be a preacher yourself then that's something for your own discernment along with your church.

Hi Patrick,

I hear your point. Bless you for taking the time to respond. May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ continue to be with you always.
 
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In a church gathering is it possible for the Holy Spirit to use each and everyone one of us saints rather than the pastor or speaker on the pulpit?

Recently I sensed a burden to stir up the gifts of the Holy Spirit which the bible clearly says is available and given to each one for the profit of all (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). I want to know am I the only one feeling this way or is there anyone else feeling this way?

As of recent, it appears although every time I am among other believers whether in church or at home fellowship, I sense God wants to do more during such meetings. Yet I am left with a sense of frustration much like although His presence is restricted and that the gifts within each person are dormant and never to be put to use or exercised (ie healing, faith, prophesy etc). I have found myself screaming silently inside at times asking why we seem to be happy with mere routines rather than desiring to see God at work fully in each of us except the man or woman of God on the pulpit? I solemn wonder what would happen if we would dare to believe that in a gathering of the saints the presence of God can be made manifest and that the gits of Holy Spirit would be activated in each person as He did in the book of acts. What's your thoughts?

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the Holy Spirit is ALWAYS 'on' full throttle - we are the the valves that allow Him to manifest or hold Him back from doing so (i'm preaching to me as much as anyone btw). so often we limit God through our traditions without ever realizing this; few churches allow for inspired utterance as did the church in Acts; there were no pulpits, alters, robes, ornamental candlesticks, repetitive creeds, rituals, dedicated buildings, etc. in the church described in Acts - much of the traditions of today's churches are from temple worship in the OT or from pagan religions. most traditional churches are so restricted by the traditions of men that the Holy Spirit is all but quenched. every Christian is able to operate in all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in everyday life, but the vast majority have not even heard this, much less stepped out in faith at the risk of failing to receive the promised Gifts at the moment of Truth in the world outside of church buildings and church services.

why restrict operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit to gatherings of believers in 'sanctuaries' apart from the world? why not first strive to operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit in everyday life - in the realm of the devil? this is where these gifts are so sorely needed...and often less hindered than in traditional church services

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Agree with much that you've posted.

But think there's a learning curve for the gifts. After all, the original disciples were with Yeshua for over 3 years.

Yet believe that the manifestations of the gifts only come through Yahweh telling us. Yeshua only did what He saw The Father doing.
 
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Ask your pastor or home fellowship to set aside time in the gathering for an opening gift session. If its a burden suggest it, many churches have a suggestion box you can put anonymously and then pray for it to happen. Pray for revival in your church.

What this means is you all gather in one accord and WAIT in silence. Only speak once you hear from God. Quakers knew how to do this, learn from them. Its not about you, the pastor or anybody else in the pulpit, you just all need to shut up and listen. No music either.
 
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Agree with much that you've posted.

But think there's a learning curve for the gifts. After all, the original disciples were with Yeshua for over 3 years.

Yet believe that the manifestations of the gifts only come through Yahweh telling us. Yeshua only did what He saw The Father doing.

agreed; but an 'always on' attitude toward practice according to His leading is as essential as an understanding of what scripture tells us about the gifts.

things are backwards; the devil and his bunch manifest regularly all over the world - we should be pushing him into his designated buildings :)
 
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Paul was clearly encouraging Timothy to not walk in fear when it came to exercising the gift of God inside of him - this may either be in reference to him preaching, serving, healing, faith, prophesy etc (of course this does also refer to the fruit of the Holy Spirit). It seems to me that often today many of us tend to believe this is a mandate only for the few who we perceive are called to operate in such capacity especially in a gathering of saints.

Well, in the case of Timothy, his ordination by Paul was not something common to all other believers. Paul had not gone around to everyone else and laid his hands on them in confirmation of their calling by God into the role of a bishop. Paul's words to Timothy that you reference were, therefore, not a general mandate to all believers. I don't think, then, that all other believers should take Paul's words to Timothy concerning his ordination as applying directly to themselves, too. Yes, there are principles of truth in Paul's comments that we all can take hold of, but we should not all expect to have the role, or ministry, or apostolically-conferred authority of Timothy.

However, my concern is that during a typical church service we often expect only the pastor to function with the gift of the Holy Spirit whilst many of us sit and watch. Rightly as you said it would be disrespectful to override any pastor in a service without his permission and the God-given authority that goes with it. However again this is where I believe there is a call for balance of scripture as my question would be is it the pastor's permission we should seek or God's?

The hierarchy of spiritual authority God established within the Church is very clear (1Ti. 3.; Eph. 4:11; 1Thess. 5:12, 13) Trying to use the "leading of God" as an end-run around the biblical authority of His under-shepherd, is to defy the objective and explicit teaching of Scripture in favour of your individual and subjective claim of divine leading. This is a recipe for disaster. It will cause division and conflict in the church.

And is authority of exercising ones gifts in a gathering such as a church service granted only to a pastor of that congregation or to every and anybody God wishes to use?

See above.

For instance lets consider in the book of Acts, clearly the spirit fell on all who were at the upper room (Acts 2:41-42) and not just the 11 Apostles present at the time and although Peter was ordained to lead we could see that there were the other Apostles each uniquely ordained and given just as much authority.

Like every other believer, you are indwelt by God's Spirit, but this does not negate the established hierarchy of spiritual authority established in Scripture.

Today it seems only Pastors are ordained to lead and have the so called 'God given authority' whilst everyone else are relegated to mere 'follower' or even seat warmer status.

There is nothing "so called" about the explicit, biblical teaching of the spiritual authority of church pastors and elders. Their authority does not prohibit your exercise of the spiritual gift God has given you, but it does constrain and order your exercise of it. You can see something of this authority exercised by Paul over the use of spiritual gifts in the Corinthian church. He sets very clear guidelines (1Cor. 14) within which spiritual gifts were to be expressed when the Corinthian believers met together. And this is the same guiding and constraining authority a pastor/bishop/elder holds today within the church.

Again maturity and growth in the Lord seemed to be a long winded process when the bible clearly shows us otherwise. Take Paul for instance his was a instant transformation and with just a year he had grown to a point whereby the Apostles recognised he was just as ordained and with as much authority as they.

You are mistaken here. After his Damascus Road experience, it was some seventeen years before Paul was given the "right hand of fellowship" by the apostles in Jerusalem. (See Ga. 1:15 - 2:9 especially 1:18 and 2:1)

In fact Paul even rebuked Peter at one point (Galatians 2:11-21) to show that however much a leader Peter was he too was a man under authority and accountable to his fellow believers whether old or new in the faith as Paul was.

Paul did not rebuke Peter as a show of authority. That isn't what the text says. Paul's concern was not authority but the right treatment of Gentile believers by Jewish ones and the hypocrisy of Peter that had influenced others to similar hypocrisy.

Galatians 2:11-13
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.


Be very careful, brother, that you do not fan into flame a spirit of rebellion toward the God-ordained spiritual authorities of the Church. Your misreading of Scripture here suggests a dangerous bent in that direction.

God desires to transform each of us rather than put on a show.

Which is the greater miracle? The transformation of a wicked man into a wise and holy saint of God? Or incoherent babbling? Which is easier to counterfeit? A pure, self-sacrificing and Christ-centered life? Or making prophetic proclamations? God's "show" is making rebellious sinners into righteous, loving, holy disciples of Jesus. I can think of no more miraculous a thing God could do than that. And yet, so many believers are running after lesser, more superficial, but more immediately stimulating and emotional "experiences" of God. No wonder, then, that the evangelical church in North America is sliding into heresy and apostasy.

I speak not of God putting on a show I speak like you that God transforms each of us and that we pursue growth in developing the fruits of the holy Spirit so that as Jesus said our love for one another may draw the lost to repentance and salvation in the Lord (John 13:35).

AMEN AND AMEN!

This is where as Paul speaks we need to stir up the gift of God in each of us for the edification of the body of Christ and one to another. Rather than negate this to only be a command or responsibility of just Pastors or those called and ordained.

I agree. But doing this does not require circumventing the authority of your pastor. Work with him, under his direction, to stir up love and holiness in your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Selah.
 
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the Holy Spirit is ALWAYS 'on' full throttle - we are the the valves that allow Him to manifest or hold Him back from doing so (i'm preaching to me as much as anyone btw). so often we limit God through our traditions without ever realizing this; few churches allow for inspired utterance as did the church in Acts; there were no pulpits, alters, robes, ornamental candlesticks, repetitive creeds, rituals, dedicated buildings, etc. in the church described in Acts - much of the traditions of today's churches are from temple worship in the OT or from pagan religions. most traditional churches are so restricted by the traditions of men that the Holy Spirit is all but quenched. every Christian is able to operate in all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in everyday life, but the vast majority have not even heard this, much less stepped out in faith at the risk of failing to receive the promised Gifts at the moment of Truth in the world outside of church buildings and church services.

why restrict operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit to gatherings of believers in 'sanctuaries' apart from the world? why not first strive to operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit in everyday life - in the realm of the devil? this is where these gifts are so sorely needed...and often less hindered than in traditional church services

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@DisciplesHeLovesToo, this can be passed as a sermon, well spoken and thought provoking, thanks for sharing
 
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Well, in the case of Timothy, his ordination by Paul was not something common to all other believers. Paul had not gone around to everyone else and laid his hands on them in confirmation of their calling by God into the role of a bishop. Paul's words to Timothy that you reference were, therefore, not a general mandate to all believers. I don't think, then, that all other believers should take Paul's words to Timothy concerning his ordination as applying directly to themselves, too. Yes, there are principles of truth in Paul's comments that we all can take hold of, but we should not all expect to have the role, or ministry, or apostolically-conferred authority of Timothy.



The hierarchy of spiritual authority God established within the Church is very clear (1Ti. 3.; Eph. 4:11; 1Thess. 5:12, 13) Trying to use the "leading of God" as an end-run around the biblical authority of His under-shepherd, is to defy the objective and explicit teaching of Scripture in favour of your individual and subjective claim of divine leading. This is a recipe for disaster. It will cause division and conflict in the church.



See above.



Like every other believer, you are indwelt by God's Spirit, but this does not negate the established hierarchy of spiritual authority established in Scripture.



There is nothing "so called" about the explicit, biblical teaching of the spiritual authority of church pastors and elders. Their authority does not prohibit your exercise of the spiritual gift God has given you, but it does constrain and order your exercise of it. You can see something of this authority exercised by Paul over the use of spiritual gifts in the Corinthian church. He sets very clear guidelines (1Cor. 14) within which spiritual gifts were to be expressed when the Corinthian believers met together. And this is the same guiding and constraining authority a pastor/bishop/elder holds today within the church.



You are mistaken here. After his Damascus Road experience, it was some seventeen years before Paul was given the "right hand of fellowship" by the apostles in Jerusalem. (See Ga. 1:15 - 2:9 especially 1:18 and 2:1)



Paul did not rebuke Peter as a show of authority. That isn't what the text says. Paul's concern was not authority but the right treatment of Gentile believers by Jewish ones and the hypocrisy of Peter that had influenced others to similar hypocrisy.

Galatians 2:11-13
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.


Be very careful, brother, that you do not fan into flame a spirit of rebellion toward the God-ordained spiritual authorities of the Church. Your misreading of Scripture here suggests a dangerous bent in that direction.



Which is the greater miracle? The transformation of a wicked man into a wise and holy saint of God? Or incoherent babbling? Which is easier to counterfeit? A pure, self-sacrificing and Christ-centered life? Or making prophetic proclamations? God's "show" is making rebellious sinners into righteous, loving, holy disciples of Jesus. I can think of no more miraculous a thing God could do than that. And yet, so many believers are running after lesser, more superficial, but more immediately stimulating and emotional "experiences" of God. No wonder, then, that the evangelical church in North America is sliding into heresy and apostasy.



AMEN AND AMEN!



I agree. But doing this does not require circumventing the authority of your pastor. Work with him, under his direction, to stir up love and holiness in your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Selah.

@aiki, thanks for the response, this is good and your comments are taken into consideration. Can I ask you a few questions to hear your views:

1. Do you agree that God's original Plan, and in fact the very reason Christ came on earth, was that MAN (male and female) would work in partnership with one another to have authority and dominion over everything except fellow human beings?

2 Do you believe that is still God's model today not in the general sense but as the redeemed of the Lord?
 
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Ask your pastor or home fellowship to set aside time in the gathering for an opening gift session. If its a burden suggest it, many churches have a suggestion box you can put anonymously and then pray for it to happen. Pray for revival in your church.

What this means is you all gather in one accord and WAIT in silence. Only speak once you hear from God. Quakers knew how to do this, learn from them. Its not about you, the pastor or anybody else in the pulpit, you just all need to shut up and listen. No music either.

Well said @Goodbook, received with much appreciation
 
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Yeshua said if you don't believe in me, believe the signs and wonders - then you'll get the connection "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:37-38
 
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