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The Book of Wisdom teaches that God does not will death. People die, that's part of our nature, but it is another thing to say God "wills" death.

How can that be when God punishes David by causing his first child with Bathsheba to miscarriage? Sounds like willful abortion by a divine figure to me.
 
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The Book of Wisdom teaches that God does not will death. People die, that's part of our nature, but it is another thing to say God "wills" death.
I did NOT say God wills death as His ordaining will but God will allow as His permitting will.
 
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I'm sorry, there's no such thing as "Catholic and agnostic." They are mutually exclusive.
How so? Do you lose your membership in the Catholic Church if you have doubts about God existing? If one finds themselves in that position, should they cease attending Mass and supporting their parish? I always figured it was best to carry on, continue behaving as a Catholic, praying, etc...and hope my faith returns. Perhaps not.
 
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Being agnostic isn't simply about having doubts. Even the most devout Christian of any denomination has had those. If you're using the word that way, that's a different matter. I wish you the best in your journey.
I think I've heard it said there are two types of agnostics. ..one type who doesn't know if there is a God (or gods, divine beings, etc), and another type who thinks it is impossible to know. I'm solid in the first camp so I keep on looking.
I made my comment, because people credit God as causing all good things in their life. .. like getting a new job or having a healthy baby, but don't credit God for the bad...i.e. getting beat out by another candidate for that new job
 
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How so? Do you lose your membership in the Catholic Church if you have doubts about God existing? If one finds themselves in that position, should they cease attending Mass and supporting their parish? I always figured it was best to carry on, continue behaving as a Catholic, praying, etc...and hope my faith returns. Perhaps not.

My thoughts and prayers in you struggles. It is best to carry on through the Dark Night of the Soul when you can not feel God and do not have faith in His existence. I pray you come out of it with a faith stronger than before.
 
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I think I've heard it said there are two types of agnostics. ..one type who doesn't know if there is a God (or gods, divine beings, etc), and another type who thinks it is impossible to know. I'm solid in the first camp so I keep on looking.
I made my comment, because people credit God as causing all good things in their life. .. like getting a new job or having a healthy baby, but don't credit God for the bad...i.e. getting beat out by another candidate for that new job
They do, Just say it's for the best even if it looks like it's the worse thing that could happen. Faith, that it's for the best.
At least you're being honest which says a lot. We all have doubts. To label it agnostic implies something else. To me at least.
 
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How so? Do you lose your membership in the Catholic Church if you have doubts about God existing? If one finds themselves in that position, should they cease attending Mass and supporting their parish? I always figured it was best to carry on, continue behaving as a Catholic, praying, etc...and hope my faith returns. Perhaps not.
Just a small point. This is not a membership, it's a life lived in grace.
 
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