Is it all coming together at the End of the Shemitah year?

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Going back to the OP, and excuse me if this has been mentioned in any of the many pages that I haven't read through here, Rosh Hashannah (New Year) is ACTUALLY Nisan 1 according to Torah, 13 days before Passover which is on the 14th of Nisan.

The day that is typically CALLED Rosh Hashannah by modern Jews who live by the talmudic law, is actually Yom Teruah, feast of trumpets, and has nothing to do with the new year, and the reason they call it Rosh Hashannah is because it is the Israeli Secular new year, thus as authentic a new year as the Gregorian (named after Pope Gregory / The Gregori) or the Chinese new year, that is to say, that it is not a new year at all.

RHS is A new year according to the Bible:

http://www.bethimmanuel.org/articles/rosh-hashanah-new-year
 
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Satan isn't a god of anything. Some people revere him as their god. The world belongs to the Creator who is the God of everything, although there are people who reject him as their god (law maker) and worship something else as their god, be it natural processes (evolution), self, nature, the sun, a cross, creation itself, or any real or imaginary being.

Whoever said that calling satan the god of this world is glorifying satan is correct, and that was Paul's aim, subtly pushing you towards satan worship, Torah rejection and other wicked things. Paul caught you with guile, if you follow him.


About the previous poster's link: it stars off by saying that obviously the New year is the start of the first month and the scripture that he's using.

It then goes on to say "but... *long WISDOM OF MAN essay*.. Conclusion, its something different".
That's how many christian, catholic, mormon, Pharisaical, lunar sabbatan, BHI, false sacred namer etc etc cult doctrines are formed too. I go with what a child would understand upon first reading of the scripture, not what we can find by searching for different confirming passages that, with logic and reasoning, eventually can be presented in a way that they show the opposite of what the first clear understanding is.
No disrespect meant towards the poster of the link, just my 2c on the content of the link.
 
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Whoever said that calling satan the god of this world is glorifying satan is correct, and that was Paul's aim, subtly pushing you towards satan worship, Torah rejection and other wicked things. Paul caught you with guile, if you follow him.

If you haven't read the forum and sub-forum rules, know that
Paul-bashing is not allowed. His words have been twisted by
both the church and non-believers because they did not
understand his teachings.
 
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Every single person belonging to one of the 41,000 denominations that interprets Paul differently believes that they and they alone are the ones who understand Paul properly. It is understanding the Torah, Tanakh and Messiah's words that is important for those who follow the God of Israel.
It can't be simpler and clearer than that.
No prophet or apostle is hard to understand because our Creator leads us, He doesn't confuse us.

This is not bashing BTW.
 
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Whoever said that calling satan the god of this world is glorifying satan is correct, and that was Paul's aim, subtly pushing you towards satan worship

If I may say so, this is simply not accurate, or realistic. The words Elohim and Theos have a range of meaning, as did/does the Germanic Gott/God.

The TNK uses the term Elohim to refer to entities other than the Creator, so if that is glorifying Satan, then the TNK must be glorifying Satan (which I do not believe.)
 
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The TNK uses the term Elohim to refer to entities other than the Creator, so if that is glorifying Satan, then the TNK must be glorifying Satan (which I do not believe.)
We've been over this before. When Elohim is capitalized it is generally understood to refer to G-d not a god.

Being that most every Messianic believed 2014-15 was the 7th Shemitah Year (49th year), is there general agreement that the beginning of the 50th Year (Jubilee) occurs March 10-11 of this year on Nisan 1. ?
 
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We've been over this before. When Elohim is capitalized it is generally understood to refer to G-d not a god.

Being that most every Messianic believed 2014-15 was the 7th Shemitah Year (49th year), is there general agreement that the beginning of the 50th Year (Jubilee) occurs March 10-11 of this year on Nisan 1. ?

Personally, I wasn't aware that Hebrew had capital letters and could distinguish between capital-letter Elohim and small-letter elohim. Perhaps you read from a different Hebrew text?
 
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We've been over this before. When Elohim is capitalized it is generally understood to refer to G-d not a god.

"We've been over this before. "

I don't know what you mean by that, but it sure sounds like you're complaining about my defending the scriptures... weird.

"When Elohim is capitalized"

As you should know, there is no capitalization in Hebrew.
Your information is also incorrect, or lacking. It does not refer to "deity" as we understand it, but to supernatural entities of varying degrees of power, and specifically to angels. Satan is not directly worshipped as a "god", except by a few losers; rather he is the angel (supernatural spirit, ruach, elohim) given authority to rule over the gentile kings and kingdoms.
 
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Personally, I wasn't aware that Hebrew had capital letters and could distinguish between capital-letter Elohim and small-letter elohim. Perhaps you read from a different Hebrew text?
Is it your understanding that knowledgeable linguists like yourself contend that the word most often used for G-D in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible is Elohim. The word is a topic of frequent theological discussion and defining (as evident from previous posts). But what is often lacking is accurate and detailed information based on the Biblical contexts in which the Word is found. So you are correct :)

When referring to the ONE and ONLY True G-D ... "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, HE is G-D in the fullest sense of the word. He is "G-D of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2)

There is general agreement that the oldest Semitic word meaning for "G-d" is El. Biblical linguists believe the meaning is strength or power. "El" is the Strong One, or the Deity (G-D). "El" is first used in Genesis 14:18 in the phrase "G-d Most High" [El Elyon]. (notice that this spelling for G-d is always Capitalized) :)

Hopefully this is helpful :)
 
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So much strange stuff going on.

Rosh Hashanah ends on Sept 15th, (2015) the last blowing of the trumpets?

The last trump? (initial post in July 2015)
Did you have a sense from this thread or other insights as to whether or not the Year of Jubilee began in 2015 ?

Do you have reason to believe that the 50th Year of Jubilee begins in 2016 ?
 
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Is it your understanding that knowledgeable linguists like yourself contend that the word most often used for G-D in the English translation of the Hebrew Bible is Elohim. The word is a topic of frequent theological discussion and defining (as evident from previous posts). But what is often lacking is accurate and detailed information based on the Biblical contexts in which the Word is found. So you are correct :)

When referring to the ONE and ONLY True G-D ... "Elohim" denotes what is called by linguists a plural of majesty, honor, or fullness. That is, HE is G-D in the fullest sense of the word. He is "G-D of gods" or literally, "ELOHIM of elohim" (Deut 10:17; Ps 136:2)

There is general agreement that the oldest Semitic word meaning for "G-d" is El. Biblical linguists believe the meaning is strength or power. "El" is the Strong One, or the Deity (G-D). "El" is first used in Genesis 14:18 in the phrase "G-d Most High" [El Elyon]. (notice that this spelling for G-d is always Capitalized) :)

Hopefully this is helpful :)

Should I take this to mean that you read the text of the Hebrew Bible more than I? My knowledge of Hebrew is only theoretical, while yours is experiential? Is that right?
 
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"El" is the Strong One

That is essentially accurate, and this is what I'm saying. Anyone can be strong, without being the omnipotent creator of the world, and true to that, the Bible uses words derived from aleph-lamed-heh root to denote spirits and angels of varying degrees of power, as well as the Supreme Deity.
 
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Should I take this to mean that you read the text of the Hebrew Bible more than I? My knowledge of Hebrew is only theoretical, while yours is experiential? Is that right?
What would we (you, me and others) do without upper and lower case, bold, italiic, sans serif, underlined, a palette of vibrant colors (and earthy colors), font sizes galore, the psychology of typographic styles and their presentation--what did i leave out :)

Oh, if mankind could've just been content with the "true/pure" Hebrew Aleph~beth. Man does have a knack for complicating matters ;)
 
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What would we (you, me and others) do without upper and lower case, bold, italiic, sans serif, underlined, a palette of vibrant colors (and earthy colors), font sizes galore, the psychology of typographic styles and their presentation--what did i leave out :)

Oh, if mankind could've just been content with the "true/pure" Hebrew Aleph~beth. Man does have a knack for complicating matters ;)
There was never a time when the majority of mankind (let alone all of mankind) spoke Hebrew.
 
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Oh, the day that posts in this MJ forum are all in Classical Hebrew and True Hebrew :)
Do you want to be the one who starts it? I can write in ancient Hebrew, if you're up for it.
 
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