Why don't protestants bless Mary?

justcoolforyou · Feb 2, 2016

supersoldier71 said:
The RCC has failed to understand a few key points that are central to the message and content of the Bible; the first is that God created everything as He said He did. How do we know this? Because Jesus, who as God, was present for the event and promoted the Genesis account as fact. Second, the entire Bible is about God, His person and His character, and how they manifest in the three persons of the Trinity. God spends a lot of ink proclaiming His jealousy, His anger towards creatures who do not recognize and appreciate Him, and ultimately, His plan to correct it all. All of these things could be myths.

But....if we believe that Christ died for His people. But...He arose on the third day by His own power, the Firstborn from the grave. And...He now lives forever at the right hand of the Father. If we believe these things: every part of every Scripture hangs on every other part of the testimony being the absolute truth, otherwise, we believe in some seriously crazy stuff.

So really, what do you believe about the Christ?

FOR a minute i thought you where talking about Allah lol the bible is about Love the nature of the Trinity is love the love between the father and son is the very person the holy spirit (who is love) . The bible is about a family who has fallen from love and God is bring love back in to us ,the love that was once the very center of our humanity

Aldebaran · Feb 4, 2016

Open Heart said:
All animals, because they do not know right from wrong, are in a state of innocence and therefore sinless.

Yet the animals (part of the earth) are no longer at peace with man. That's something that happened right after the fall into sin, just as the earth no longer produced it's fruit without man having to toil for it.

Aldebaran · Feb 4, 2016

justcoolforyou said:
No but she did run with child out her country, a country that was hers as queen mother and Jesus true king...she lived with John and both founded churches. The luke wrote parts of his gospel from things she allowwd through the spirit to revealed to him. For the gospel. Just as Peter was the auther of Marks gospel jet mark wrote it...

These statements are without any foundation.

Open Heart · Feb 5, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Yet the animals (part of the earth) are no longer at peace with man. That's something that happened right after the fall into sin, just as the earth no longer produced it's fruit without man having to toil for it.

Are you saying animals sin? Yes or no.

Aldebaran · Feb 5, 2016

Open Heart said:
Are you saying animals sin? Yes or no.

Don't try to railroad the discussion by restricting me to what answers I can give to your questions. The animals, the plants, etc; all of creation fell due to the sin of Adam and Eve. Everything fell under a curse. Gen 3:17-19. Before the fall, animals weren't as they are now, eating each other and attacking humans. In the Millenium, things will be back to the way they were in the beginning, when the lion and lamb can lay down together. But it is the curse we are under because of sin that things are the way they are now.

Open Heart · Feb 5, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Don't try to railroad the discussion by restricting me to what answers I can give to your questions. The animals, the plants, etc; all of creation fell due to the sin of Adam and Eve. Everything fell under a curse. Gen 3:17-19. Before the fall, animals weren't as they are now, eating each other and attacking humans. In the Millenium, things will be back to the way they were in the beginning, when the lion and lamb can lay down together. But it is the curse we are under because of sin that things are the way they are now.

I am uninterested in this information. I'm asking you if animals are morally responsible. If you don't want to answer or if the answer is no then I can write you off as posting irrelevancies.

Aldebaran · Feb 6, 2016

Open Heart said:
I am uninterested in this information.

Well you shouldn't be uninterested. It's what God's word tells us, and is a far better answer to your question than simply "yes or no".

Open Heart said:
I'm asking you if animals are morally responsible. If you don't want to answer or if the answer is no then I can write you off as posting irrelevancies.

I was trying to give you my answer, but apparently it fell on deaf ears. I guess you're not interested in the answer if it's not the one you demand be given to you. If God's word falls on deaf ears, only He can make you hear.

Open Heart · Feb 6, 2016

Aldebaran said:
Well you shouldn't be uninterested. It's what God's word tells us, and is a far better answer to your question than simply "yes or no".

I was trying to give you my answer, but apparently it fell on deaf ears. I guess you're not interested in the answer if it's not the one you demand be given to you. If God's word falls on deaf ears, only He can make you hear.

I am a stickler for staying ON TOPIC. People occasionally go off into unrelated issues, hiding it by appealing to scriptures and then complaining when you try to bring things back on topic.

In this case, my comment was that animals had no sense of right or wrong and therefore were sinless. You gave a reply that didn't address this. It wasn't entirely without interest, but simply didn't directly answer what I said. I tried to get you to directly answer my point, but you refused, preferring to remain tangential.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Feb 6, 2016

Open Heart said:
I am uninterested in this information. I'm asking you if animals are morally responsible. If you don't want to answer or if the answer is no then I can write you off as posting irrelevancies.

I don't see why this has anything to do with Mary and protestants?

Open Heart · Feb 6, 2016

jason_delisle said:
I don't see why this has anything to do with Mary and protestants?

I replied directly to Supersoldier, who asked if the parents of Adam and Eve were sinless apes, as if apes sinned. In another post, I also commented that the parents of Adam and Eve wouldn't have been apes (evolution doesn't work that way) but they would have been hominids without complete moral sentience.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Feb 6, 2016

Open Heart said:
but they would have been hominids without complete moral sentience.

Like teenagers?

Aldebaran · Feb 7, 2016

Open Heart said:
I am a stickler for staying ON TOPIC. People occasionally go off into unrelated issues, hiding it by appealing to scriptures and then complaining when you try to bring things back on topic.

If this was true, then why bring up whether or not animals sin or not? The topic is about protestants and why they don't "bless" Mary. Asking about animals sinning is NOT on topic.

Open Heart said:
In this case, my comment was that animals had no sense of right or wrong and therefore were sinless. You gave a reply that didn't address this. It wasn't entirely without interest, but simply didn't directly answer what I said. I tried to get you to directly answer my point, but you refused, preferring to remain tangential.

The reason I went into detail is because I understand when people tell me I have to answer either "yes or no", they have a reply ready for me no matter which of those simplistic answers I give. Plus, a simple yes or no doesn't fully answer the question and leaves out much of what needs to be known. That's why attorneys love to restrict people they question in court to simple yes and no answers. It doesn't allow anything else to be known. It's only an advantage to the questioner.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Feb 7, 2016

jason_delisle said:
Like teenagers?

I guess nobody got that joke.

Rick Otto · Feb 7, 2016

Open Heart said:
Scripture says that all nations will call Mary blessed. Why is it that so many Protestants refuse to do so? Are they so afraid of appearing Catholic that they are willing to disrespect the Mother of our Lord? The only time they ever even talk about Mary when they either drag her out for Christmas or, in extreme cases, when they are disparaging her to say she was merely an incubator and no one special. What is with that?

Yes, all true protestants hate the RCC and we all disrespect her at every opportunity.

Thanks for not hating us back. lol

prodromos · Feb 7, 2016

jason_delisle said:
I guess nobody got that joke.

I had a chuckle

Open Heart · Feb 7, 2016

jason_delisle said:
I guess nobody got that joke.

Actually you made me laugh.

supersoldier71 · Feb 9, 2016

justcoolforyou said:
FOR a minute i thought you where talking about Allah lol the bible is about Love the nature of the Trinity is love the love between the father and son is the very person the holy spirit (who is love) . The bible is about a family who has fallen from love and God is bring love back in to us ,the love that was once the very center of our humanity

WHAT???

No, wait..WHAT???

No.

That's plain incorrect.

There is so much wrong with this line of thought, that it's impossible to know where to begin.

The nature of the Trinitarian God is His holiness. Any of His other perfect attributes may only be accurately understand in the context of His complete and perfect holiness.

Based on your interpretation of Scripture, the cross is God's Plan B. Omniscience does not allow for a Plan B.

Not once are those outside of salvation called God's family.

Only those chosen by God are called His sons.

I could go on but seriously, the bad theology that you folks hang your hats on is tedious.

justcoolforyou · Feb 9, 2016

supersoldier71 said:
WHAT???

No, wait..WHAT???

No.

That's plain incorrect.

There is so much wrong with this line of thought, that it's impossible to know where to begin.

The nature of the Trinitarian God is His holiness. Any of His other perfect attributes may only be accurately understand in the context of His complete and perfect holiness.

Based on your interpretation of Scripture, the cross is God's Plan B. Omniscience does not allow for a Plan B.

Not once are those outside of salvation called God's family.

Only those chosen by God are called His sons.

I could go on but seriously, the bad theology that you folks hang your hats on is tedious.

Your wrong you just take parts of the bible. ..

supersoldier71 · Feb 9, 2016

justcoolforyou said:
Your wrong you just take parts of the bible. ..

Yep. All 66 parts. And all the parts of all 66 parts.

You take some of the Bible and all the parts a bunch of fallen men give you.

Good luck with that (and I don't believe in luck).

You take what is given and view it through a distorted lens of bad theology and counter-biblical traditions that glorify all manner of things above the father.

Your traditions blaspheme against the perfect and complete work of Christ and install themselves as the gatekeepers to heaven.

Your traditions are lies.

Good night.

anna ~ grace · Feb 29, 2016

While not technically a Protestant, sometimes I thank Christ for His Holy Mother, as an example to all Christians, especially Christian mothers, wives, and daughters. Her silent suffering next to her Son is very instructive for me. I believe that from all the Holy Men and Women in Paradise, Mary has the highest place. And that she stands by her Son's right side. If my Messiah grants me Paradise, I would be honored to meet and praise her. But my prayers are to the Father and the Son only. But I do believe that some Marian apparitions might be her, especially the miracle of Zeitun.

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