Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

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Oh trust me, I am, and have been, mightily blessed by God - the triune God. :amen: :clap::clap:

All the Scriptures I have written out for you, about salvation, about adoption as God's children, about new life in the Spirit, about Jesus the word who was GOD, about his coming to earth being prophesied in the OT, may have done nothing at all for you - indeed they have often been ignored by you, but they have done wonders for affirming and confirming my faith. In fact the Spirit has often brought additional Scriptures to mind as I have typed.
I love God - God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit, and I love his word. If it's your opinion that anyone resisting Scripture cannot be blessed - I have been blessed, ergo, I am not resisting Scripture. :)

If you are blessed remains to be seen, the day of Christ will make it evident, as anyone who is under a curse will be burned up, and thus it will become evident who was blessed, or who was cursed, regardless of how blessed anyone may seem to be in this life.
 
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If you are blessed remains to be seen, the day of Christ will make it evident, as anyone who is under a curse will be burned up, and thus it will become evident who was blessed, or who was cursed, regardless of how blessed anyone may seem to be in this life.

I am blessed now. The Holy Spirit is a deposit which guarantees our future inheritance; I know I have eternal life and am a child of God.

We all have to stand before God. Have you considered that he might, one day, tell you that you were wrong?
 
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I am blessed now. The Holy Spirit is a deposit which guarantees our future inheritance; I know I have eternal life and am a child of God.

We all have to stand before God. Have you considered that he might, one day, tell you that you were wrong?

Oh you have the holy spirit? Have you prophesied or spoken in new languages? Do you still sin now that you have holy spirit?
 
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Oh you have the holy spirit? Have you prophesied or spoken in new languages? Do you still sin now that you have holy spirit?

Well, according to what you have written you seem to think you are totally sin free and know scripture more than anyone!
 
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Oh you have the holy spirit? Have you prophesied or spoken in new languages?

Prophecy and speaking in tongues are not the only evidences of the Spirit.

You shouldn't be surprised that born again Christians have received the Holy Spirit - you not only sound surprised, but even antagonistic.
 
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This doesn't come across as a Concept as you put it! This comes across that you actually believe that Moses was a God!
You have no concept of context and how it affects word meanings.
That's why you are getting the Big Ignore.
 
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Prophecy and speaking in tongues are not the only evidences of the Spirit.

You shouldn't be surprised that born again Christians have received the Holy Spirit - you not only sound surprised, but even antagonistic.

Of course it is. Any person that receives holy spirit will evidence it with a sign. Even Jesus Christ evidenced it with a dove descending upon him. Even Saul evidenced it with prophesying and becoming another man. There is always a sign when the holy spirit enters a body, which is usually prophesying or speaking in a new language. And receiving holy spirit also imparts sanctification and inner perfection. If you are still sinning, you have not been born of God.
 
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Of course it is. Any person that receives holy spirit will evidence it with a sign. Even Jesus Christ evidenced it with a dove descending upon him. Even Saul evidenced it with prophesying and becoming another man. There is always a sign when the holy spirit enters a body,

Yes, the sign is assurance that we have been born again - John 3:3, and are children of God, Romans 8:14. A desire to know God and his word better, is also a sign.
 
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Of course it is. Any person that receives holy spirit will evidence it with a sign. Even Jesus Christ evidenced it with a dove descending upon him. Even Saul evidenced it with prophesying and becoming another man. There is always a sign when the holy spirit enters a body, which is usually prophesying or speaking in a new language. And receiving holy spirit also imparts sanctification and inner perfection. If you are still sinning, you have not been born of God.
Do you have the HS?
 
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Yes, the sign is assurance that we have been born again - John 3:3, and are children of God, Romans 8:14. A desire to know God and his word better, is also a sign.

Haha that sign is not assurance. Anyone can assure themselves they are born of God, in fact this type of "assurance" pertains to this scripture,
There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12 [NIV])

Anyone who is born of God will evidence it with an outward sign. It is never some secret baptism in holy spirit that is figurative, it is a literal event that occurs that will be evidenced outwardly. It also imparts sanctification and inner perfection. If you are still sinning, you have not truly been born of God.
 
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Yes, the sign is assurance that we have been born again - John 3:3, and are children of God, Romans 8:14. A desire to know God and his word better, is also a sign.

It is better to admit you don't have holy spirit than to deceive yourself into thinking that you do, because when you finally admit that you don't have holy spirit, then you can actually work towards actually receiving the free gift. Like I said, it will be evidenced with an outward sign, which is scriptural. Everyone that ever received holy spirit in scripture always evidenced it with an outward sign.
 
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Haha that sign is not assurance. Anyone can assure themselves they are born of God, in fact this type of "assurance" pertains to this scripture,

Which tells me that you have no idea about, and have never experienced, the assurance that God gives; Scriptural assurance.
 
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Sorry buddy but you dont have talk a lot of nonsense!

It is you that miss interprets scripture MASSIVELY!!! Where do you get your interpretations from? Gee!!

Relax. Allow others to have their own opinions. Jesus did not give us a law of interpretation. He freed us and left us that way. :)
 
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It is better to admit you don't have holy spirit

But I do - I know it and God knows it.
You don't, but, quite frankly, I don't need the approval of someone who thinks that the Holy Spirit is a mere angel, and one of many at that.

Occasionally I have agreed with something, if only a phrase, that you have written. Yet when I disagree, you say that I am blind, that it's like teaching a baby, call me "dude" and say, "duh, it's in Scripture." When I ask a question that you can't answer, you then get really personal and imply I'm not born again.

You have no idea.
Have a nice life; I'm out of here.
 
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Which tells me that you have no idea about, and have never experienced, the assurance that God gives; Scriptural assurance.

Fine, get angry and keep thinking that you have holy spirit. I wasnt telling you this to try to condemn you, but for your own benefit that you could actually be baptized in holy spirit. At the end it will become evident who truly had holy spirit and who lied to themselves about having him. Tisk tisk.
 
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Fine, get angry and keep thinking that you have holy spirit. I wasnt telling you this to try to condemn you, but for your own benefit that you could actually be baptized in holy spirit. At the end it will become evident who truly had holy spirit and who lied to themselves about having him. Tisk tisk.

I'm not angry.
I know I have received, and do receive, God's Holy Spirit. You haven't a clue.
 
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I cropped your post. I hope to have time to comment on the other part later. I don't know which translation you are using, but the word "nature" is not the meaning of the Greek word for form, or image.

Philippians 2:7 "but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross." Greek Interlinear.

Paul is describing the visible man Jesus. He was in the image or 'form' of God.
Adam was created as the image of God, and Jesus is the second man Adam.

Paul describes man as "the image and glory of God" in 1 Corinthians 11:7. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, he says "the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." He also says "The knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." 2 Corinthians 4:6.

Jesus was endowed with the very authority of God, being like God his Father. He did not exploit his royal position but acted as a servant. He adopted the role of a servant and did not abuse his position as Messiah and was prepared to obey God, even giving his life in death on the cross. God elevated him to a position that was second only to him for the glory of God, the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

Jesus is our model. He shows us the right relationship we should have with God. Jesus shows us what God is like.


In the Greek the word is morphe, where we get the word morphed from.

3444morphḗ – properly, form (outward expression) that embodies essential(inner) substance so that the form is in complete harmony with the inner-essence.

The Nicene Creed states the Son is of one substance with the father, it essentially points to the inner charactistsic qualities of God himself. Adam could not be in complete harmony with the inner-essence of God, nor was Moses for that matter, because they were sinners and the essence of the Father is sinless deity, therefore the Christ fulfills that characteristic of sinless deity, that only the Father has. This is the form of God which is inwardly and outwardly in harmony with God's personal charactistsics, who is Spirit (John 4:24). So form is the one to one exact image of what makes the Father the Father, although the Son has a distinct persona and a distinct role to play within the one infinite God, who is in co-equal relationship with the Father as declared in Philippians 2:6, after all it is the claim made by Jesus himself to his disciples.

So morphe says nothing of being endowed with the very authority of God, rather it squarely points to the essential inner characteristics of what makes God God. Could Adam or Moses or any created being claim to be the inner essential characteristics of what makes God God? Absolutely not!

So this is where scripture states the following.......

17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:17-18)

So we see a vastly different contrast made between Moses who was a symbol of Christ in the Old Testament times being compared to the Christ himself. Moses only acted in the position of his Boss, the Christ, until Christ came to free all from the curses of the Mosaic law. So the apostle writes that Grace came by Jesus Christ and we know that Grace only comes from God himself, for it is a gift and not a measure of human works. So Moses was not in a position to declare the unseen Father, but the Son who is the very HEART of the Father, in perfect harmony with his inner essential characteristics revealed him, IN HIMSELF, as the LOGOS (John 14:9). The Father was revealed in and through the Son and no other created being, including Moses could have claimed to have revealed God in person, as the Emmanuel (God with us), except Emmanuel himself presenting himself in the world as the suffering servant.

So yes, the Messiah acted as a submissive subject of the Father, after emptying himself of his glory and equality that he had with the Father before the world was created by him. This is highly suggestive that before the incarnation he was not a servant or subject of the Father, but had equal glory with him. The Father and the Son are interdependent on one other for their very existence and in the incarnation the Son took the abuses thrown at him from all directions, by relinquishing his Royal Heavenly Status (he who came from above), by allowing himself to be a subject of the Father and a servant of the earthly hosts. Therefore it was free will for him to do so and not a forceful request from the Father.

2I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man (John 3:12-13)

23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24)

In conclusion the Adam being created in the image of God is not associated with the inner workings of what makes God God. In Philippians the word morphe qualifies this to the very essence of God himself, the very makeup of what makes God God. Men or created beings cannot claim to have the same essence of God inwardly, this would be blasphemy.

So in the incarnation the Son transformed himself into the servant role, by entering his own creation, that he created himself and in his resurrection, he raised himself on the third day as he had declared to his disciples. God entered into the world as a man and not just a mere mortal. It is the very God of the very God as the Nicene Creed states. Thank you kindly.
 
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