Coverup of Vaccine-Autism Link: Top Doctor

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"CDC estimates that about 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD)."

1.47%.

So by and large it looks like vaccines have less impact as preventative treatment as just about any other drug.
In what way does that invalidate the usefulness of vaccinations to prevent disease?

I actually went and found the page for that quote. http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

It's interesting that they show a rise in ASD. There is no indication of why those numbers are rising.
 
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In what way does that invalidate the usefulness of vaccinations to prevent disease?

I actually went and found the page for that quote. http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0327-autism-spectrum-disorder.html

It's interesting that they show a rise in ASD. There is no indication of why those numbers are rising.

I'm not saying it invalidates them at all.

I'm saying vaccines are fine and as far as medications go, 1.47% of people experiencing side-effects -- and that's even assuming all cases are a result of vaccines which cannot possibly be the case -- it's a small price to pay.
 
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I'm not saying it invalidates them at all.

I'm saying vaccines are fine and as far as medications go, 1.47% of people experiencing side-effects -- and that's even assuming all cases are a result of vaccines which cannot possibly be the case -- it's a small price to pay.
Then I misunderstood. Sorry about that.
 
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I'm not saying it invalidates them at all.

I'm saying vaccines are fine and as far as medications go, 1.47% of people experiencing side-effects -- and that's even assuming all cases are a result of vaccines which cannot possibly be the case -- it's a small price to pay.
I wonder how accurate those figures are, and I wonder how successfully accurate numbers can be arrived at, considering vaccination claims have their own sequestered court, and gag orders surely accompany claim awards.
 
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I don't doubt that vaccines are an important link in autism spectrum reactions, and that cover-up is involved.
Most people just trust their luck and join the anti-vaxer hate brigade without ever reading...

I doubt profoundly. And as someone with autism I've read round this deeply and widely.
Vaccines are not the issue. Genetics is the most critical factor by a long way but by the interplay of a considerable number of genes, not "the gene for autism", so there is no simple pattern of inheritance.
Some epigenetic factors are involved, certainly. A current major interest is in the foetus having exposure to excessive testosterone during a particular window during development.
 
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I doubt profoundly. And as someone with autism I've read round this deeply and widely.
Vaccines are not the issue. Genetics is the most critical factor by a long way but by the interplay of a considerable number of genes, not "the gene for autism", so there is no simple pattern of inheritance.
Some epigenetic factors are involved, certainly. A current major interest is in the foetus having exposure to excessive testosterone during a particular window during development.
Yeah, I too would doubt "the gene for autism", and I also believe toxic exposure is involved.
But I have profound doubts about the credibility of industry approved reporting due to the influence of financial interests.
 
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The compelling interest isn't so much that the specific child gets the disease, but that another child who cannot be vaccinated gets the disease. I would just make it mandatory to receive these vaccines before entering school and if parents decided that they know better than scientists they can home school. Exceptions given to those children who cannot medically have the vaccine.

ok so why give exceptions for children who cannot medically have vaccines?

is this about protecting children or punishing people who you disagree with politically?
if it is about protecting children, then "science" would say not to let any of those kids in


there is a risk in taking vaccines, some people die, some people have severe reactions that change their lives
this is not some crack-pot theory, this is accepted medical fact
there is a percentage of children who die from vaccines
there are also people who never have vaccines and who do not catch a serious illness

it is about weighing risks
to exclude children from public schools because you do not like their parents views is disgusting
coming from a group of people who have suffered exclusion and discrimination in the past, I thought you would be a bit more tolerant of others
 
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ok so why give exceptions for children who cannot medically have vaccines?

is this about protecting children or punishing people who you disagree with politically?
if it is about protecting children, then "science" would say not to let any of those kids in


there is a risk in taking vaccines, some people die, some people have severe reactions that change their lives
this is not some crack-pot theory, this is accepted medical fact
there is a percentage of children who die from vaccines
there are also people who never have vaccines and who do not catch a serious illness

it is about weighing risks
to exclude children from public schools because you do not like their parents views is disgusting
coming from a group of people who have suffered exclusion and discrimination in the past, I thought you would be a bit more tolerant of others
Right.
And consider the arrogance of having the rare un-vaccinable child, but forcing everyone else to take the risk you are exempted from, just for your exception-to-the-norm child.
 
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ok so why give exceptions for children who cannot medically have vaccines?

is this about protecting children or punishing people who you disagree with politically?
if it is about protecting children, then "science" would say not to let any of those kids in


there is a risk in taking vaccines, some people die, some people have severe reactions that change their lives
this is not some crack-pot theory, this is accepted medical fact
there is a percentage of children who die from vaccines
there are also people who never have vaccines and who do not catch a serious illness

it is about weighing risks
to exclude children from public schools because you do not like their parents views is disgusting
coming from a group of people who have suffered exclusion and discrimination in the past, I thought you would be a bit more tolerant of others

Because you always give exceptions to people who cannot medically do something. When I'm talking about someone exempted from it, I mean someone who will have a bad reaction to it, including a high percentage of death. Allergies or immune system problems. Other people have a less than 1% chance of anything even going wrong, much less bad enough for death.

It isn't discrimination. If you don't want to do it, your kid can be home schooled in my opinion. That is the consequence of your choice.
 
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Because you always give exceptions to people who cannot medically do something. When I'm talking about someone exempted from it, I mean someone who will have a bad reaction to it, including a high percentage of death. Allergies or immune system problems. Other people have a less than 1% chance of anything even going wrong, much less bad enough for death.

It isn't discrimination. If you don't want to do it, your kid can be home schooled in my opinion. That is the consequence of your choice.
Home school YOUR kid. HE is the exception. That doesn't give you the right to force risk on MY kid.
 
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