Coverup of Vaccine-Autism Link: Top Doctor

hsilgne said:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm


You're welcome.

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Thank you, but that is only for one vaccine, and not one I think is very common. Many of the others had very small odds of severe reactions, such as 1 in a million.

hsilgne said:

If your grand kids are vaccinated why are they at risk?

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Couldn't be answered,, I notice.

Rick Otto said:

Couldn't be answered,, I notice.

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Wasn't answered by choice. There's a difference.

hsilgne said:

If your grand kids are vaccinated why are they at risk?

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Well you can't just get all vaccinations the second you're born. So the grand kids could be too young to have received them yet. Or they could have health reasons for why they can't get them themselves. A friend here has had really terrible health problems cause she got chickenpox & had bad complications from it. She was a baby too young to have gotten the shot herself yet.

Mountain_Girl406 said:

Thank you, but that is only for one vaccine, and not one I think is very common. Many of the others had very small odds of severe reactions, such as 1 in a million.

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true, but for that millionth person, that is really bad
and in a nation of 300 million
that would be 300 people who might be crippled for life, or seriously harmed, or even killed by such a thing

still, one in a million is a VERY good bet
but it is still a bet
so all of these things have to be taken into account when you make the choice if you should get a vaccination or not

Tallguy88 said:

Do vaccines have a chance to cause autism? Or is it just a correlation, but not causation situation?

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yeah, probably the correlation but not causation thing
part of it could be the increase in infant mortality in general? so more autistic kids happen to survive past early childhood?
that is just guess

Fantine said:

Since autism almost always shows up at before age 2, perhaps the more suspect vaccines could be administered after the danger of developing autism had passed. If we waited until age 4, for example, a child's social skills would be well-established.

That being said, I really don't believe vaccines cause autism, and children who show vulnerability to vaccines (DPT, for example) are usually given 1/4 doses so that they don't get bad reactions.

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interesting idea, but those who are dogmatic against vaccines will still probably find fault in that reasoning

hsilgne said:

Less than 5 in 1000 vaccinated persons remain susceptible to the disease the vaccine was meant to immunize them from.

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that is a good point, the numbers vary based on the vaccine, but there are a large number of people who either have violent reactions (even death) or the vaccine does not "take" so they can still get the illness that was meant to be prevented
also, even if you never get the vaccine, it is not a sure thing that you will catch that illness
this is why I am against the idea of mandatory vaccinations, it is about rick, you MIGHT get killed from the vaccine, you MIGHT never catch the illness even if unvaccinated
this is a world of difference from denying a child needed medical care
(sorry to get off topic, but I have heard a lot of people talk about mandatory vaccinations recently)

Rhamiel said:

that is a good point, the numbers vary based on the vaccine, but there are a large number of people who either have violent reactions (even death) or the vaccine does not "take" so they can still get the illness that was meant to be prevented
also, even if you never get the vaccine, it is not a sure thing that you will catch that illness
this is why I am against the idea of mandatory vaccinations, it is about rick, you MIGHT get killed from the vaccine, you MIGHT never catch the illness even if unvaccinated
this is a world of difference from denying a child needed medical care
(sorry to get off topic, but I have heard a lot of people talk about mandatory vaccinations recently)

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The compelling interest isn't so much that the specific child gets the disease, but that another child who cannot be vaccinated gets the disease. I would just make it mandatory to receive these vaccines before entering school and if parents decided that they know better than scientists they can home school. Exceptions given to those children who cannot medically have the vaccine.

Rick Otto said:

And that would end their profit stream.

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Sounds like a win / win.

And I'm so old that my autism predates good few of the allegedly dangerous vaccines.
(It wasn't a diagnosis available when I was a kid, anyway. Diagnosed at 48.)

And in my profession the profit stream was enhanced from people *not* going blind from glaucoma, so the pharma industry was not considered all bad.
(Impressive mess, the human eyeball.)

Chris B said:

Sounds like a win / win.

And I'm so old that my autism predates good few of the allegedly dangerous vaccines.
(It wasn't a diagnosis available when I was a kid, anyway. Diagnosed at 48.)

And in my profession the profit stream was enhanced from people *not* going blind from glaucoma, so the pharma industry was not considered all bad.
(Impressive mess, the human eyeball.)

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I don't consider it all bad, just mostly bad and though you may consider the end of a profit stream a "win", you do not represent shareholders.

AvilaSurfer said:

Wasn't answered by choice. There's a difference.

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Not an obvious good one.

hsilgne said:

If your grand kids are vaccinated why are they at risk?

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Because newborns don't get vaccinated. The very young and very old and those that LoAmmi mentions are hugely at risk when hysterical people don't get their kids vaccinated.

Tallguy88 said:

I asked my doctor friend and she said vaccines do not cause autism. And also said that even if they did, being autistic is better than being dead from the pox or whatever. But there is no link, so it's a non issue either way.

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When my youngest kid was at the age to get vaccinated, this whole fuss began in the media linking vaccinations and autism. I asked my pediatrician to give me the honest lowdown, and she gave me her medical opinion based on all the research and evidence, which was that no link had been found. I went ahead and had my child vaccinated, et voilà, no autism. Five kids vaccinated = none of them harmed in any way. None of them caught any of the infections that vaccinations were developed to prevent. No rubella, no measles, no whooping cough. And they didn't give those diseases to other kids/elderly people either.

Rick Otto said:

I don't consider it all bad, just mostly bad and though you may consider the end of a profit stream a "win", you do not represent shareholders.

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But I might be one, depending on where my pension fund has put its/my money.
But then, that's currently looking odds-on for a pension company win, anyway.

Hetta said:

When my youngest kid was at the age to get vaccinated, this whole fuss began in the media linking vaccinations and autism. I asked my pediatrician to give me the honest lowdown, and she gave me her medical opinion based on all the research and evidence, which was that no link had been found. I went ahead and had my child vaccinated, et voilà, no autism. Five kids vaccinated = none of them harmed in any way. None of them caught any of the infections that vaccinations were developed to prevent. No rubella, no measles, no whooping cough. And they didn't give those diseases to other kids/elderly people either.

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My first son did alright, but my second son had a seizure reaction from a pertussis vaccine at about 3&1/2yrs.
He developed bi-polar at 14 . Took 5 yrs and several life threatening incidents to get him on a decent med regimen.

I don't doubt that vaccines are an important link in autism spectrum reactions, and that cover-up is involved.
Most people just trust their luck and join the anti-vaxer hate brigade without ever reading up on how Big Pharma engineered results reporting and hid failure by changing diagnosis.
You have to look for corruption to find it, and most people don't want to find it, never mind being too lazy to look.

Rick Otto said:

My first son did alright, but my second son had a seizure reaction from a pertussis vaccine at about 3&1/2yrs.
He developed bi-polar at 14 . Took 5 yrs and several life threatening incidents to get him on a decent med regimen.

I don't doubt that vaccines are an important link in autism spectrum reactions, and that cover-up is involved.
Most people just trust their luck and join the anti-vaxer hate brigade without ever reading up on how Big Pharma engineered results reporting and hid failure by changing diagnosis.
You have to look for corruption to find it, and most people don't want to find it, never mind being too lazy to look.

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Bi-polar is not on the autism spectrum. It's entirely separate. I'm sorry for your son, but you can't blame vaccination for that.

Chris B said:

But I might be one, depending on where my pension fund has put its/my money.
But then, that's currently looking odds-on for a pension company win, anyway.

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Depending on your pension fund manager, you might be funding abortion for all you confidently know.
I don't have the luxury of a pension, so I don't have the excuse of not managing my own investments.
As Martin Skrelli has taught us, profits are not always a win.

Hetta said:

Bi-polar is not on the autism spectrum. It's entirely separate. I'm sorry for your son, but you can't blame vaccination for that.

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Sure I can.

I get confused by a lot of the illogic that goes on with the anti-vax thing.

We have people who believe that autism spectrum is all a matter of labeling, and that a lot of kids who are just "badly behaved" get labeled ADHD. They say that 50 years ago, there were no kids with ADHD. Well, 35 years ago I was still in High School and reflecting back on the behavior of a lot of kids I went to school with, and also family members, I could point to many of them that I think were on the autism spectrum. Because it wasn't diagnosed then, doesn't mean it wasn't there. At that time - where I lived - it was not the norm to get childhood vaccinations. The medical profession had just learned the link between German Measles and miscarriage so all girls at 13 were given a vaccination against German Measles. We had been given the "sugar lump" for polio. That was all the vaccination we had. And yet I have a number of my peers who have in their middle age been given a diagnosis on the autism spectrum. There have been issues they have struggled with their whole lives and now they learn - oh, I have Asperger's. Wow. That explains SO much. And yet they had no MMR, because there was no MMR. I wonder, if my peer group that was not vaccinated went through those tests, how many of us would be found to be on the autism spectrum. I don't think I am one of those, but a lot of people I have known, I have seen signs that suggest strongly that they are.

Rick Otto said:

Sure I can.

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Great. Let's blame everything on vaccinations. As I said in my post above, these issues have been around for centuries prior to vaccinations. But don't let facts get in the way.

Hetta said:

Great. Let's blame everything on vaccinations...~

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Only hysteria interprets bi-polarity as everything.