Christians "Horrified" By Biblical Passages?

Achilles6129 · Feb 6, 2016

RDKirk said:
For it is written in the law of Moses, "Do not muzzle an ox while it treads out grain." Is God really concerned with oxen? Or isn’t He really saying it for us? Yes, this is written for us, because he who plows ought to plow in hope, and he who threshes should do so in hope of sharing the crop. -- 1 Corinthians 9

Well, Moses certainly thought that was all about oxen. Yet, Paul tells us that it was never about oxen at all--that Moses did not understand its real meaning. And in fact, few of them who knew the old testament scriptures so well understood, for instance, that it was Jesus who they pointed to.

Anthropologists have discovered than ancient men did not know the color blue. It wasn't just that they didn't have a word for it, they actually didn't know what "blue" was. For some reason was actually one of the last colors "recognized" in human culture. There are primitive cultures today that have still not discovered "blue." The men who wrote the OT did not know what "blue" was. If they didn't grasp "blue," what else did they not grasp?

My point being that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit, but they were written by men who did not always understand what they saw and what God actually meant by it.

So because Paul indicated that a literal command had a symbolic meaning we can jettison the statements/commands of God in the OT?

ewq1938 · Feb 6, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
Why not?

Because the two aren't the same. Would you be horrified to see someone legally executed? I would yet I wouldn't be horrified at those who had to perform it.

Achilles6129 · Feb 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Because the two aren't the same. Would you be horrified to see someone legally executed? I would yet I wouldn't be horrified at those who had to perform it.

The actions of the Holy Spirit aren't a part of the Holy Spirit?

Not if I knew the person was being executed by the Holy Spirit.

ewq1938 · Feb 6, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
The actions of the Holy Spirit aren't a part of the Holy Spirit?

No.

Achilles6129 · Feb 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
No.

I see. Why not?

ewq1938 · Feb 6, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
I see. Why not?

Because killing isn't a part of anything holy, it's just something that's needs to be done. God kills when it's needed but killing/death isn't a part of God.

I've explained it multiple ways, if you still don't understand I can't help any further.

RDKirk · Feb 6, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
So because Paul indicated that a literal command had a symbolic meaning we can jettison the statements/commands of God in the OT?

Paul said that it never meant what Moses thought it meant. God may have said many things that did not mean what the ancient writers thought He meant. We have scriptures that were truly inspired by the Holy Spirit, but interpreted through the very limited filters of Bronze Age men who largely failed to get anything right about God.

That's why understanding scripture today still needs illumination by the Holy Spirit and will be confusing without that illumination.

justcoolforyou · Feb 6, 2016

Shempster said:
Call me crazy but im pretty sure those that were slaughtered were not basic human beings. They were hybrids. From this perepective it changes things.
Now if ypu do not believe that the Eoms of God hybridized with mankind then yourr stuck with a God who slaughters babies because they were living in the wrong place.

Would not hybrids still be creations of God?humans make hybrids of all types of animals would it follow that we should be evil to hybrid creations?

Achilles6129 · Feb 7, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Because killing isn't a part of anything holy, it's just something that's needs to be done. God kills when it's needed but killing/death isn't a part of God.

I've explained it multiple ways, if you still don't understand I can't help any further.

We will have to disagree. I'm going to claim that every statement/action of God is holy and is a part of his nature.

timewerx · Feb 7, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
Are you horrified by certain statements or actions of God in Scripture? Do you know of any modern Christians who are? I would suggest that to be "horrified" by a Biblical passage is a very dangerous thing indeed, and here's why:

These Biblical passages are statements or actions made or done by the Holy Spirit. I would suggest that to be horrified by such passages is to actually by horrified by the Holy Spirit Himself. That would seem to indicate a deep rebellion or antagonism against the Holy Spirit. Therefore, I would suggest that those that are horrified by such passages are on very dangerous theological turf.

Thoughts?

Yes, I'm Christian, yet, I cannot vouch on the inerrancy of the Bible. I could point a few contradictions and if the Bible is inerrant, then the Holy Spirit would be redundant.

Jesus promised the Holy Spirit and not the Holy Spirit + a redundant book.

There are so many premises that makes the logical existence of the Bible serve a different purpose than most Christians would like to believe. But as an absolute reference on the Truth? Highly unlikely.

timewerx · Feb 7, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
We will have to disagree. I'm going to claim that every statement/action of God is holy and is a part of his nature.

I only agree with you if it is absolutely God who did it. But whenever there's involvement of man, I'm having doubts.

Alithis · Feb 8, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
Are you horrified by certain statements or actions of God in Scripture? Do you know of any modern Christians who are? I would suggest that to be "horrified" by a Biblical passage is a very dangerous thing indeed, and here's why:

These Biblical passages are statements or actions made or done by the Holy Spirit. I would suggest that to be horrified by such passages is to actually by horrified by the Holy Spirit Himself. That would seem to indicate a deep rebellion or antagonism against the Holy Spirit. Therefore, I would suggest that those that are horrified by such passages are on very dangerous theological turf.

Thoughts?

NO .

The Lord is righteous in all his ways

and faithful in all he does.

The Lord is near to all who call on him,

to all who call on him in truth.

He fulfills the desires of those who fear him;

he hears their cry and saves them.

The Lord watches over all who love him,

but all the wicked he will destroy.

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and i advise againt spending much time in that "other " section . for one, they do not accept the word of God as truth . you may as well be asking in a witches coven ..

Alithis · Feb 8, 2016

timewerx said:
Yes, I'm Christian, yet, I cannot vouch on the inerrancy of the Bible. I could point a few contradictions and if the Bible is inerrant, then the Holy Spirit would be redundant.

Jesus promised the Holy Spirit and not the Holy Spirit + a redundant book.

There are so many premises that makes the logical existence of the Bible serve a different purpose than most Christians would like to believe. But as an absolute reference on the Truth? Highly unlikely.

i have found every so called error or suggestion of error or suggestion of contradiction has come from a certain source - man ,thus the suggestions of error or contradiction can certainly not be trusted .while in contrast ,the word of god has delivered on every promise within .

our salvation is based upon belief in everything the lord JEsus spoke.. for he is the speaking (word) of God . if we cannot take him at his word in every respect ,,then we have no salvation for we are little more then unbelievers who attend the congregation of believers

dysert · Feb 8, 2016

timewerx said:
Yes, I'm Christian, yet, I cannot vouch on the inerrancy of the Bible. I could point a few contradictions and if the Bible is inerrant, then the Holy Spirit would be redundant.

Jesus promised the Holy Spirit and not the Holy Spirit + a redundant book.

There are so many premises that makes the logical existence of the Bible serve a different purpose than most Christians would like to believe. But as an absolute reference on the Truth? Highly unlikely.

Off topic, but if you think you know of contradictions I submit that it's your understanding that is flawed and not the written words of Scripture.

FredVB · Feb 15, 2016

RDKirk said:
For it is written in the law of Moses, "Do not muzzle an ox while it treads out grain." Is God really concerned with oxen? Or isn’t He really saying it for us? Yes, this is written for us, because he who plows ought to plow in hope, and he who threshes should do so in hope of sharing the crop. -- 1 Corinthians 9

Well, Moses certainly thought that was all about oxen. Yet, Paul tells us that it was never about oxen at all--that Moses did not understand its real meaning.
Anthropologists have discovered than ancient men did not know the color blue. It wasn't just that they didn't have a word for it, they actually didn't know what "blue" was. For some reason was actually one of the last colors "recognized" in human culture. There are primitive cultures today that have still not discovered "blue." The men who wrote the OT did not know what "blue" was. If they didn't grasp "blue," what else did they not grasp?

My point being that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit, but they were written by men who did not always understand what they saw and what God actually meant by it.

"Yes, this is written for us" is added in and not in the scripture text that Paul wrote. It is altering what was said, it was with questions as Paul was asking if God had it written with caring for us as humans, not just oxen. But God does care for the creatures, and there are several scripture passages to show it clearly. For instance, God cares for the sparrows, there is for instance this proverb showing care for our animals with concern is right, and abuse, which is unfortunately very common, God says is wrong.

Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

I read in something that the sky for a long period sometime in that ancient history did not appear blue, but evidently was bronze in appearance, perhaps from something cataclysmic.

theniceiceman · Apr 8, 2016

Some people are prone to fear. Some people have medical conditions, such as anxiety disorders or obsessive-compulsive disorder. That means that it's more likely that they'll be 'horrified' by things that 'normal' people wouldn't be. Just because you read something in the Bible and get scared by it doesn't mean you're appalled by the idea of God or the Holy Spirit. It doesn't mean that at all.

Achilles6129 · Apr 9, 2016

Well, let me ask you this: if you have the Holy Spirit, why would you be horrified by a statement or action of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't that be a contradiction?

Achilles6129 · Apr 9, 2016

timewerx said:
I only agree with you if it is absolutely God who did it. But whenever there's involvement of man, I'm having doubts.

Scripture claims its absolutely God who did it. Scripture says it's inspired by the Holy Spirit.

theniceiceman · Apr 9, 2016

Achilles6129 said:
Well, let me ask you this: if you have the Holy Spirit, why would you be horrified by a statement or action of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't that be a contradiction?

People with OCD (which is also called 'the doubting disease') have a medical condition that causes them to doubt things pathologically. When OCD targets one's religion, it causes them to doubt things related to their religion. For example, God's existence, their salvation, whether they have or haven't sufficiently repented, whether God loves them, whether they have enough faith. These people have a malfunctioning brain that triggers anxiety in them over things that a 'normal' person wouldn't be horrified by. For example, Bible verses that sound scary, such as Jesus saying the road is narrow, the unforgivable sin, the verses in Hebrews that seem to imply that if you sin after getting saved, you can't be saved again.

It doesn't mean they don't love God. It just means they have a mental illness that makes them prone to over-thinking, doubting, and panicking. Just because a person has the Holy Spirit in them doesn't mean illness won't still affect them.

Achilles6129 · Apr 9, 2016

theniceiceman said:
People with OCD (which is also called 'the doubting disease') have a medical condition that causes them to doubt things pathologically. When OCD targets one's religion, it causes them to doubt things related to their religion. For example, God's existence, their salvation, whether they have or haven't sufficiently repented, whether God loves them, whether they have enough faith. These people have a malfunctioning brain that triggers anxiety in them over things that a 'normal' person wouldn't be horrified by. For example, Bible verses that sound scary, such as Jesus saying the road is narrow, the unforgivable sin, the verses in Hebrews that seem to imply that if you sin after getting saved, you can't be saved again.

It doesn't mean they don't love God. It just means they have a mental illness that makes them prone to over-thinking, doubting, and panicking. Just because a person has the Holy Spirit in them doesn't mean illness won't still affect them.

So is the Holy Spirit more powerful than a mental illness, or not?

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