Feminism is not compatible with Christianity?

Okay, so I just felt like I had to contribute an interesting piece of information to this thread. I was watching an Episode of Maury just now. In this particular show there were three men who physically abused their girlfriends. One even made his girlfriend call him "Master" and "Big Daddy", brush her teeth with a tooth brush that he urinated on, and made her give him oral sex while he was on the toilet. If she didn't comply with his demands he would beat the crap out of her.

Then the other guy that really, really infuriated me he would discipline his girlfriend with a belt whenever she questioned his authority or disobeyed him. He demanded that his food be cooked a certain way and if she did it wrong, she would get belted.


While I agreed partially with what they were saying and some of the things they were doing were man given rights (Asking a woman to cook and clean, asking a woman for respect, asking a woman for obedience) I still felt like they were definitely going way the wrong way about it. I was sickened and appalled by what I saw. And then of course since It's the Maury show, they had to get the worlds strongest man to lock them in jail cells and change their lives around. Which, they did. But, of course they made them forget about their man given rights too. Anyway, the women ended up giving them a second chance for their repentance to be genuine which, is something about the show that I had agreed on So, I can't have everything that I agreed on and neither can anyone really.

My point in stating all of this? Is, I want to take my previous statements back a little bit. I still think that married women belong in the home, I still think that men should be obeyed and respected, I still think that women should cook and clean but, I feel that Feminism should exist to change men like these and help them not physically abuse anyone. I feel like, under no circumstances should anyone, male or female inflict physical violence on another person and I feel like feminism should exist to prevent that from happening too.

Yesterday, I had judged ALL Feminists and I was wrong. Not all Feminists are for abortion or are for Gay Marriage or are for divorce, or are for things that are to me in my opinion against God's word.

Some are for equality and some exist to prevent extreme situations like this from happening. So, I change my stance. SOME Feminism is compatible with Christianity. But, the kind of Feminism that supports Abortion, Divorce, Denies Male rights, Focuses too much on Woman rights, Is against God's word, or Homosexuality/Homosexual marriage is not compatible with Christianity.

While I agreed partially with what they were saying and some of the things they were doing were man given rights (Asking a woman to cook and clean, asking a woman for respect, asking a woman for obedience)...

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I still think that married women belong in the home, I still think that men should be obeyed and respected, I still think that women should cook and clean but,...

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Whoa! Are you serious? Even after scriptural proof that the biblical IDEAL wife is one who hired servants to take care of her stuff at home while she went out and managed her businesses and fields? Stop taking the Bible out of context reading it with ulterior motives. Start reading it with more objectivity.

Please, quit mocking me. I can't take it anymore!

mmbattlestar said:

Okay, so I just felt like I had to contribute an interesting piece of information to this thread. I was watching an Episode of Maury just now...

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Very credible. I prefer 'Steve Wilkos' myself...

mmbattlestar said:

Please, quit mocking me. I can't take it anymore!

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Okay, I'm sorry. To be fair, I do think it's good you're making strides. At least you are against men beating and raping their wives. But as for the second comment in my post, I stand by it. You have been given scriptural proof, and even that is not enough for you. Read Proverbs 31.

mkgal1 said:

Beautifully said.

Have you seen the icon--I assume you have-- that depicts the sentiment of St Ireneous? Agh...it was huge.

**I couldn't figure out how to get rid of the huge file

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Beautiful! Thank you for sharing - I haven't seen that one yet

Women are to "obey" and automatically "respect" the man? NO. Men have to EARN respect from their girlfriends or wives and children. How do they do that? By living out Ephesians 5:25-32 and Ephesians 6:4. A wife's obedience looks more like realizing her husband is always acting in HER best interests rather than his own. A man has no reason to just order his wife around like a servant. That is not her role.
Please find a Celebrate Recovery group and an Authentic Manhood study in a church. You will learn so much.

There is a book that also might help. https://www.gottman.com/the-mans-gu...il&utm_term=0_3603b13bff-089ea07c89-134162381
Please don't discount it just because it's not "Christian." It is actually written by a Jewish man - although that is not in any way influential in the book. The book is written for men specifically from a scientific point of view. The author has been voted one of the top ten research psychologists of our time and has spent 40 years studying marriage relationships. The principles in it are biblical (one of the most fascinating things of contemporary psychology is that research is proving biblical principles over and over). Since you have admitted you are young and inexperienced, I'm sure you would find this incredibly helpful.

You are being surrounded by more mature believers who are trying to explain to you that you are way off base, yet you rebuff us at every turn. That is called pride and it is a sin. Then you get all hurt and feel bullied. That is your conscience and the Holy Spirit trying to convict you of your sin of pride. The things I have said, harsh words and all were motivated by LOVE. Love for a young, in age and in the faith, brother who was going in a wrong direction. Yet, you repeatedly got all stiff-necked and chose to continue in your sins of wrong interpretation and pride. I now wash my hands of you and leave you to your sin.

mmbattlestar said:

the things they were doing were man given rights (Asking a woman to cook and clean, asking a woman for respect, asking a woman for obedience) .

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Well, at least you use the correct terminology (although I'm afraid that isn't what you meant) - those are indeed "MAN given rights" - rights given by MEN to men. They are definitely not scriptural.

In the other thread I saw hope for your marriage. Now I pity your wife again.

And I'm grateful that God let my path cross with a man who wanted a wife who could be a partner and a friend, not a servant...

squirrel123 said:

In the other thread I saw hope for your marriage. Now I pity your wife again.

And I'm grateful that God let my path cross with a man who wanted a wife who could be a partner and a friend, not a servant...

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Why do you assume my husband is totalitarian in enforcing his views, or that he enforces them at all, or that he's a bad person for holding them? I have undergone NO hardships because of his views. I am not a servant. And he is NOT an abuser. And (oh my!) I am his friend and partner, too.

Partners commonly do different work in a task list so it all gets done - this isn't a bad thing.

People CAN be decent human beings without supporting feminism.

Please, stop assuming that my life is hell because my husband doesn't agree with you.

*leaves thread*

I actually kept my promise and didn't go back to this thread. My wife told me what was said because you offended her and she felt the need to tell me what was said in here. The main points of what she said were basically: I couldn't possibly respect you guys because I didn't agree with your opinion.

Just because I don't agree with your opinions does not mean that I don't respect them.

Respect:
4
. Deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment:

I acknowledge that Feminists have a right and privilege to be Feminists and I acknowledge that you have an opinion that's different than mine. I attempted to treat your opinion in a courteous and kind manner until I was personally attacked, mocked, and ridiculed for having an opinion that was different than the one you have. Therefore, I respected you all and your opinions. I maybe didn't handle the mocking and ridicule in the best manner which, I've already apologized for but, I respected you. For me to get the same back, I expect you to say that I have a right, privilege, and that you treat me courteously and acknowledge that I have an opinion that's different than yours. That is what the equality that you are preaching is all about. You know I'm correct and just want to continue feeding the fire.

I believe that you believe Feminism to have good intentions because, it sounds so great. However, Feminism is a lie and a deceptive trap set up by Satan that many women (and men) are falling into.

Eve was deceived by Satan. She was promised to have it all, wisdom, knowledge, and most of all, power. Eve is the reason that sin exists in the first place and that the world has became so evil. She was the one that corrupted humanity because she was promised power (sound familiar?) and she was the one that deceived Adam. True, Adam ate the apple too but, only because he believed and trusted Eve like, he was commanded by God to do.

The same thing, is happening here. You are being deceived by Satan. It is in fact, God's command that women be subservient to men and that women bear and care for children. To care for the house, and to be with and be loyal to their man forever. It is also God's command for men to fully appreciate all of the things that women do for them. For men to treat women with love and respect and kindness. For men to not dominate and control women like those people did.

Even if it wasn't true and those people lied to get attention on national TV, those things DO exist and men DO treat women that way. Like I said, it is disgusting and completely against God's word as well. So, I expected us to have at least some common ground. But, Feminists are so consumed with evil that they do not want to listen to reason. And most important of all, that men trust God's word and that men trust women.

That is my opinion and I believe that many people here, secretly know that I'm right but, just don't want to admit it. Because, Feminism just sounds so incredible. But, I beg you. Don't eat the apple again.

Anyway, in the future if you want better words for me to use aside from respect, I'll use "Entitled to your opinion" and I "love you and respect you as human beings" and "I hope you find the right way.".

Fine. I'll apologise for making assumptions.

I still fail to understand how a woman can be married to a man who believes that she shouldn't have any financial independence whatsoever (stay home, not have credit cards, not own property, etc) and that he has the right to make her cook and clean and demand "obedience", and not feel like a servant. I know I would be desperately unhappy. But perhaps that is just my personality.

I wish you only happiness.

squirrel123 said:

Fine. I'll apologise for making assumptions.

I still fail to understand how a woman can be married to a man who believes that she shouldn't have any financial independence whatsoever (stay home, not have credit cards, not own property, etc) and that he has the right to make her cook and clean and demand "obedience", and not feel like a servant. I know I would be desperately unhappy. But perhaps that is just my personality.

I wish you only happiness.

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I still don't have PM privileges yet, but wanted to make a couple of polite comments. I hate the idea behind credit cards anyway, and don't even think my husband should have any, so I'm personally not inclined to object there. He actually makes concessions for unmarried women and women who otherwise have no choice; and judging by his past actions, he does not believe that adult unmarried women are the property of their fathers with no rights. It's not like he does nothing but sit in a recliner after work watching TV and drinking beer, asking me to hand him the remote two feet in front of him. That is the image I used to have of an antifeminist man, and I wonder if that's the image you also have in your mind. Actually, if I did no work inside our home, I would be the one acting like that image I've described, which is in itself sinful from lack of respect and affection. My life does not ONLY consist of work - my avatar is a screenshot of the character I most enjoy playing in a famous MMORPG. Plus, he can't cook well anyway and I'd rather be able to eat. In other words, it is definitely a difference of personality.

Respect is earned.. A Y chromosome does not automatically confer respect.

Exactly. You cannot imagine living like that. It's your own personal opinion, and you respected that she had an opinion differently from yours.

My wife is happy and loves and respects me because I love and respect her. I thank her every single day for everything that she does for me.

My wife left Feminism on her own. I didn't force her, I merely just told her my opinions on Feminism and she agreed with me. She agrees how much she disrespected me, and how I was so afraid of her that I could barely even speak.

And no, it wasn't because of Feminism that I was afraid of her or that I'm afraid of Feminists. I'm afraid of Feminists because It's all you see on the news and media. Feminist women attacking anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with their opinions or that doesn't treat them fairly.

You're right, It's blown out of proportion but, when I had a real world experience of it, I was afraid. And, of course I believed that all Feminists resorted to physical violence when men or women it was all I saw.

Don't forget, I believed that it was normal to be physically abused by my Father because, of what I felt at the time. That isn't my fault, nor is this.

I was wronged by Feminism but, it is not why I hold the views that I do. I hold the views that I do because, I believe it to be God's word.

Eve is the reason that sin exists in the first place and that the world has became so evil. She was the one that corrupted humanity because she was promised power (sound familiar?) and she was the one that deceived Adam. True, Adam ate the apple too but, only because he believed and trusted Eve like, he was commanded by God to do.

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This belief is going to cause problems in your marriage. Maybe not now, but in the years to come what will happen is you will start to give yourself permission to blame your wife for all that will ail your family and your relationship. Eve is not the "reason" there is sin in the world. The reason there is sin in the world is because both Adam and Eve chose to disobey God. Just because Eve did it first does not absolve Adam. In fact, you can bet that he was not off doing his own thing in another area of the garden when she took the fruit. He was probably just standing right there watching. In fact, had he been any sort of "leader" at all (as most non-feminists believe is their God-given "right" in marriage), HE would not have "allowed" her to take it. So you see, if men want to be the leaders and take ALL the responsibility for their wives, THIS is how it plays out... that he must also be responsible for her taking the apple in the Garden. Blame will get you nowhere in your marriage; taking responsibility for your own self and being responsible TO your wife - that is what will work wonders. Same with your wife. At least feminists don't blame Adam for ALL the evil in the world as if he himself were evil.

By believing that Adam's "only" wrong was to believe and trust Eve, this belief is eventually also going to play out in your marriage. The moment your wife says or does something wrong, you are going to question whether you should believe/trust her. That will compound over years, and eventually you will have no trust at all in your wife. She will likely sense this lack of belief and trust, and it will have dire consequences on your marriage.

Imo, the two of you should hire a Christian relationship coach and explore both of your beliefs and how that might impact your marriage long-term. And that has nothing to do with me forcing my beliefs onto you. It comes from a place of deep concern over the future state of your marriage.

I was wronged by Feminism but, it is not why I hold the views that I do.

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I do not believe you were wronged by "feminism" so much as you were wronged by a few women who mistreated you who were feminist. But you are generalizing those wrongs against you to all those few women represented to you - all feminists. And that is where you are wrong. That's like saying you were beaten by a woman who wore pants and had a job, so therefore all women with pants and jobs are now "beaters."

Imo again, you are a man with many deep wounds and could use a healing and discipleship program like Freedom Session. The author was working on getting the program online, and I would recommend you look it up. Seriously, if you do this program, it will be very liberating from all those wounds you carry and then you might find forgiveness for all those feminists who have NOT hurt you.

mmbattlestar said:

I hold the views that I do because, I believe it to be God's word.

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I don't believe that what you expect is a biblical requirement, but it isn't against God's will as long as it is something you and your wife agreed on. So... I guess that is all there is to say.