Is Catholicism the Same as Christianity?

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justrobin

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Jews and Gentiles were converted..don't muddy the waters.
I don't know what you mean by muddying the waters. On the day of Pentecost when the church began, they were all Jews. The gospel was then preached to the gentiles. You said that the first Christians were Catholics. They weren't. They were Jewish. They were Jews who believed in Jesus.
 
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Actually, the first Christians were Jewish. On the day of Pentecost when the church began, there were no Catholics.
Yes there were. Twelve apostles, the disciples and Mary.
 
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Yes there were. Twelve apostles, the disciples and Mary.

Thinking I missed something somewhere, I went and read through the first chapter of Acts again. You must have one of those newer versions- mine doesn't mention Catholics, just Jewish people who believed in Jesus. Can you quote me the chapter and verse that you are referring to? (the one that mentions Catholics). Thank you :)
 
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Thinking I missed something somewhere, I went and read through the first chapter of Acts again. You must have one of those newer versions- mine doesn't mention Catholics, just Jewish people who believed in Jesus. Can you quote me the chapter and verse that you are referring to? (the one that mentions Catholics). Thank you :)
You missed it then. It's right in front of your face. Anyone who believes that Jesus is Lord and Savior is...a Christian. Jesus only instituted one Church and desired unity. Universality. Catholic-ness. Or do you want to deny that Jesus instituted only one Church?
 
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You missed it then. It's right in front of your face. Anyone who believes that Jesus is Lord and Savior is...a Christian. Jesus only instituted one Church and desired unity. Universality. Catholic-ness. Or do you want to deny that Jesus instituted only one Church?

The early believers were not called Catholics, they were called CHRISTians (Acts 11:26) (and they were Jews to begin with and then the gospel was preached to the Gentiles), because they followed Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus is the foundation and the cornerstone of the one, true church. There is only one church- made up of each and every born again, blood washed, spirit filled believer in Jesus. I don't use the word catholic because it no longer means universal to most people (they think instead of Roman Catholic) and the meaning has been skewed in this modern age, as have many others. Does a real believer in Jesus need any other name or title than HIS name?
 
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The early believers were not called Catholics, they were called CHRISTians (Acts 11:26) (and they were Jews to begin with and then the gospel was preached to the Gentiles), because they followed Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus is the foundation and the cornerstone of the one, true church. There is only one church- made up of each and every born again, blood washed, spirit filled believer in Jesus. I don't use the word catholic because it no longer means universal to most people (they think instead of Roman Catholic) and the meaning has been skewed in this modern age, as have many others. Does a real believer in Jesus need any other name or title than HIS name?
Who cares what they were called? They practiced Catholicism...Who cares what they were before? They were Christians when they became believers. It's funny how you get hung up on words, what they meant vs what they mean. The truth is, they still mean now what they meant then, regardless of what people say they mean now. Jesus made his Church universal, and that's what Catholic means.
 
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Not sure if you are aware, you only have 2 posts as of the time of this reply. Christian Forums generally discourages the type of questions you have posed here. Not that you are right or wrong, just not an ideal thing to go around questioning other believers faith. Jesus did after all say whoever believes in Me will live. No distinction between Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, or whatever. Denominations are just man made organizations in his view anyway. Just be aware if you haven't already gotten one, that such questions generally result in messages from the leadership that are not pleasant. :) God bless
Does that mean that Jesus was wrong about goats and wolves in sheep's clothing?
 
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Catholicism is not the "Same as" Christianity.
According to Catholicism, Catholicism is the correct expression of Christianity.

In the same way, Protestantism is not the "same as" Christianity.

Also, American Democracy and French Democracy are not the "same as" Democracy.


The OP is creating an apparent, but actually nonsensical, terminology paradox in order to imply that Catholicism is not Christian. The OP is implying: Catholicism is not the "Same as" Christianity, therefore Catholicism is not Christian.
This is because in the third post, the OP followed his/her statement with: "But don't they go against some things of the bible."
Whether a group, like Catholicism or Protestantism goes against something in the Bible (like circumcision or ritual sacrifice - in the Torah - or accepting that a saint's clothes could cause miracles - in Acts 19) does not automatically mean that the group is not Christian. The OP however is trying to imply this regarding Catholicism.
 
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Catholicism is not the "Same as" Christianity.
According to Catholicism, Catholicism is the correct expression of Christianity.

In the same way, Protestantism is not the "same as" Christianity.

Also, American Democracy and French Democracy are not the "same as" Democracy.


The OP is creating an apparent, but actually nonsensical, terminology paradox in order to imply that Catholicism is not Christian. The OP is implying: Catholicism is not the "Same as" Christianity, therefore Catholicism is not Christian.
This is because in the third post, the OP followed his/her statement with: "But don't they go against some things of the bible."
Whether a group, like Catholicism or Protestantism goes against something in the Bible (like circumcision or ritual sacrifice - in the Torah - or accepting that a saint's clothes could cause miracles - in Acts 19) does not automatically mean that the group is not Christian. The OP however is trying to imply this regarding Catholicism.


Catholics reject the free gift of salvation and instead turn to popery's sacerdotalism to digest knowledge of good and evil. The human race fell, as a result of Adam's unbelief, but now Catholics die for their own sin; the likeness of the transgression of Adam.

Being deceived about something in the scriptures is one thing, but to reject the free salvation offered, which leads to a restored relationship with the Father, which was as common as Adam walking with God in the garden, rightly attracts a spirit of STUPOR!
 
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Catholics reject the free gift of salvation and instead turn to popery's sacerdotalism to digest knowledge of good and evil. The human race fell, as a result of Adam's unbelief, but now Catholics die for their own sin; the likeness of the transgression of Adam.

Being deceived about something in the scriptures is one thing, but to reject the free salvation offered, which leads to a restored relationship with the Father, which was as common as Adam walking with God in the garden, rightly attracts a spirit of STUPOR!
This is low quality anti-Catholic diatribing nonsense.
Catholics don't "reject" their gift of salvation. This is ridiculous.
Even Episcopalians have sacerdotalism.

If rejecting salvation leads to stupor, what does rejecting your Catholic brothers in Jesus lead to, Conqueror?
 
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What I think is irrelevant. Why are you interested in the opinions of men? Is it so you can develop your own theology rather than depend on what God revealed in the scriptures?
If you don't think Catholics are part of Christianity, and you find Charismatics/Pentecostals to be irrelevant to your discussions, why are you on this section?
 
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Finally, you are beginning to understand that it isn't about your or my opinion, but about what God has revealed. Are you still interested?
You mean in your teaching of what you see as "God's Revelation" that Catholics who sincerely believe in Jesus are not Christian?
No thanks.
 
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