LDS Lucifer and Jesus are not brothers!
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I simply asked the question: If eventually we know everything, which you say and quote the bible as saying (Luke 8:17) then the bible is insisting that it is possible to have the knowledge to create worlds like Jesus?
I know this is one of the evil aspirations of the Mormons, but if you stop and think about it, having all knowledge about evyerything, nothing hidden, no secrets, everything comes to the light of day, surely you must confess that the knowledge to create a world would be part of that know-everything universe.
You have opened a door into the bible that most Christians have no idea exists. I often ask the question: since we are joint-heirs with Jesus of all that the Father has, what does the Father have that would be interesting for you to have?
So first tell me if the "universe of knowledge" promised us by the bible includes the ability to create worlds, like Jesus?
Second, tell me as a joint-heir with Jesus of all the Father has, what would be an interesting inheritance to receive from the Father? We all know we will receive Eternal life and salvation, which are glorious and I will be thankful for that, but what else would you like to receive?
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How is 'knowing' which is done with the mind about creating worlds?
I'll really try to simplify one day when we are in have everyone that is in heaven and in hell all of creation will know everything that is ever taken place from the beginning to the end all questions will be answered all things that took place will be revealed.
So knowing is about information. the knowledge of knowing something .having a fact having a truth I hope this makes sense
So no you will not be Jesus but you will know the things that Jesus tells us in Jesus explains and things that we don't know now about the beginning and about God at sometime we will know because this information from God will be relayed to all of creation
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I Hope everyone notices that it is not me or a Christian calling anyone and more specificallymormons evil or anything else
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[QUOTE="Peter100]
Second, tell me as a joint-heir with Jesus of all the Father has, what would be an interesting inheritance to receive from the Father? We all know we will receive Eternal life and salvation, which are glorious and I will be thankful for that, but what else would you like to receive?[/QUOTE]
Mostly things that cannot be purchased or made.
Like peace, not hurting others, no longer having a desire to serve self, being with Jesus. No longer crying and experiencing pain. Feeling loved beyond imagination.
Things like that.
Second, tell me as a joint-heir with Jesus of all the Father has, what would be an interesting inheritance to receive from the Father? We all know we will receive Eternal life and salvation, which are glorious and I will be thankful for that, but what else would you like to receive?[/QUOTE]
Mostly things that cannot be purchased or made.
Like peace, not hurting others, no longer having a desire to serve self, being with Jesus. No longer crying and experiencing pain. Feeling loved beyond imagination.
Things like that.
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I quoted verse 15 --I also posted the translations from the Greek. What more can I do? I have posted over and over where Jesus is the creator through whom God created everything---ALL THINGS--EVERYTHING. What more do you need? What is it about "everything" and "all" that you don't get?? Jesus created Lucifer---there is no getting around it, but all you can do is repeat that they are brothers!!! No they sre not---JESUS CHRIST CREATED EVERYTHING INVISIBLE, AND INVISIBLE, ON THE EARTH AND IN THE HEAVENS----how much clearer can it get? But you refuse to believe it, clinging to a verse that has a word that has more than one meaning, but you only want it to mean what you want it to, not what Greek scholars say, not what goes with and makes sense with the rest of the bible, but one word that you insist means only what you want it to mean!!!! Jesus Christ was not made---He always was always existed with God, always a part of Him. Lucifer was created and he was created by Jesus. Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God---there will be no others---ONLY---0NLY--ONLY---Get it? As in no other, unique, one of a kind, a single entity, positively no other if it's kind, single, solitary, will not be reproduced, will not be copied, will not be cloned---in short---ONLY!!!
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NO---If you overcome you get to sit with Him, if you become "Christ like" on earth, you can sit with Him (you'll have to take a number and share it with billions of others) but you will never be as He is---He is Divine, a part of God. No matter how "like Him" in character we become, we can never become an integral part of God, we can not become begotten of God, there is ONLY ONE that is begotten of God, we are adopted, along with the rest of His creations!!!! We can not become Jesus---we can only be 'like" Him in character. If you want to be Jesus, you have to become begotten of God, become a part of Him, you have to be fully divine and then you have to become human and die for my sins---already been done and no other being is going to do it nor needs to. The word ONLY goes right next to begotten--Jesus has that position locked up and it was Lucifer who coveted that position and is passing that covetousness on to humans who want to do the same thing!!!
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Are you perfectly obedient to the Father? That is what Jesus is.
Do you try to be?
Gotta put in the work. How are you living your life?
We all want good things, but do we work hard to find and give good things to others?
Jesus is and was a servant. Jesus did not come with the glory of being God. Jesus walked in the desert. Had nothing. Only thought of others. Was always kind always just.
Are you all the things that Jesus was? That the Son of God is?
Would you hang on boards with nails in your hands and feet until you died? Would you give your life for someone else? Sell everything you own.
The thing is we all want the reward, but will we give all that we have?
If you want to be like Jesus then do as He did.
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Didn't we just go over how you don't believe that Christ had no choice- and hence was forced to do what He did. In the absence of choice, there is no obedience at all.
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Your post 980 hits on a ton of different topics- to many to address in one post. I recommend breaking it up into different threads.
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So that is where this covetousness is leading too---inheriting the world, inheriting eternal life, a world remade by God without sin and without pain, no sickness, with God there with us and with whatever God has chosen to give us is no enough---you want to create, like Jesus, create your own world with it's own habitants made by you???? That is your goal??
I don't know what abilities we will have, whether we will be able to be transported through time and space like Star Trek, or be able to become invisible if we want (for what purpose?)---to be able to create something is within us--to produce art, beautiful works of art from painting to metals, to fabrics, to cooking--God gave us that--but you all want more than He chooses to give--you want to actually be God and create life and things from nothing---you're not happy to create things from what He has provided, you want to do the providing-----that you will never be able to do---that is the power of God, --Father, Son and Holy Spirit---be happy with what God is going to give you or else you will end up with Satan and his gang. No one will ever be God, no one will ever be another Jesus or Holy Spirit----those positions are locked, unique, unobtainable.
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Calm down.
I was addressing specifically how Peter1000 wants to create worlds and sit on Christ's throne, but trying to share with him that just desiring the things that he likes that Christ has is not looking at the full picture.
I was only saying that there is much more sacrifice and love. Servant hood, ect to Christ.
Please read my reply with the post that the reply was addressing. That would help us be nice to each other.
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That is not something I believe in------Jesus had a choice, and it was a struggle for Him to come to that decision---3 times He asked for God to take that cup away, He sweated blood over it. Choosing to die did not come easy!!! Never the less--in the end--it was "Thy will be done."
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The questions are built on a foundation of other beliefs, each of which needs to be gone through, defining terms, celebrating truth, and discarding false beliefs. This cannot be done in a single thread post here, and they also diverge significantly from the OP here. Hence why I'm recommending starting a new thread on each.
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Again, terms need defined before question can be addressed. Starting a new thread is not hard, and it'll answer your questions.
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