The war was about to end anyway, the bomb wasn't needed to do that. It was a warning to our allies, the Soviet Union, done at the expense of the Japanese people.
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was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki a war crime?
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Actually no they aren't but most people will think this, most of the deaths have been covered up or uncountable due to the bombs turning their body's into a goop like substance. There is around 60million countable deaths in ww2, rest we could not count due to this problem, or the Allied Forces did not want us to know. It's just like how if we would go threw with carpet bombing ISIS, we would kill hundred of thousands of civilians. I admit 50million was exaggerated but 15-20 is not exaggerated, I admit some Jews did die in ww2, but not as much as people think. If you look at the census of Jews alive before the war, during and after. There was only 6million jews before the war, it dropped by 400k in the war then rose that 400k back up. These deaths were mainly due to disease outbreaks inside the Labour camps, and supply shortages. With 100k of them being the "Jewish German Army" that fought on Germany's side. The fact is that many people died in ww2 and that yes the Allied forces did commit war crimes, so did the soviets, so did the Japanese, Yes the Germans did commit a few after the war started. But I at least see that they did follow the Geneva Convention unlike the allied forces.
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On the issue of the war on terrorism I feel differently. I do not feel that it was a war crime, no. I do feel like the Americans were justified to look for Osama Bin Laden and I do believe that they had the right to invade Iraq after Saddam Hussein threatened the US with Biological and Nuclear Weapons and refused to surrender.
HOWEVER, after the initial invasion of Baghdad when the American soldiers discovered that there were no nuclear and biological weapons I do not believe the Americans were justified to remain in the country and attempt to "rebuild" another country and stick their noses into places where it did not belong.
At first they used the excuse that Sadam Hussein was at large and still a threat. Fine, but the army located Sadam Hussein a few months later, and after they confirmed that he really was Sadam Hussein. why stay there? There was no reason for America to remain after Sadam Hussein was captured, and certainly not after his execution. They should have doubled their efforts into finding and stopping Osama bin Laden. The main reason, they even started the war in the first place.
But, no. They delayed the capture of Osama bin laden and instead stuck their noses in where it didn't belong. We stood in iraq for many, many years for no reason! Killing many of our soldiers and civilians for no reason!
Many of the Iraqi Civilians agreed with me, America had no place being there anymore.
Finally, after it took almost 11 years to finally find Osama Bin Laden more stuff happened. Obama claimed that the invasion of Bin Laden's compound was not a kill mission. Yet, what was the first thing the National Guard did? They put a bullet in his head, repeatedly. After the man was unarmed and no threat. A coward mind you, because he shielded himself with one of his wives (or did she shield him? I can't remember) but, not a threat. The National Guard COULD have captured him but, without hesitation assassinated him instead. It was only his son and a few of his supporters that actually fired on the National Guard. So yes, I believe it was a kill mission. Otherwise the soldier/soldiers who fired on Osama Bin Laden would have been punished for being unamerican and not giving the man a fair trial.
And it seemed strange to me personally, that they disposed of his body less than 24 hours after Osama was Assassinated commando style.
Weren't the Japanese willing to continue to fight? They said that they would fight to the last man standing and weren't going to surrender under any means. Which, to me meant that the war would have continued for at least a few more years as a war between Japan and the USA.
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No, they were ready to surrender. Because of their views of their spiritual views of the Emporer, they wanted to negotiate his position post war, but they were ready to end the fighting. I believe I posted information documenting this at the start of this thread, but I'll check and repost if necessary
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True the Japanese weren't gonna give up, but on the other hand the British said the same. At least the German's did not try to do anything like that to them, except one of them flew solo to the British to try to make peace with the british, search up Rudolf Hess, no matter how your stance on Politics is you have to admit he is a honorable man for doing what he did. I see nothing wrong with the Japanese, and the British denying to give up to keep their honor, and pride in their country. Cause if they were to give up they would lose all self respect after announcing they would not give up.
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I love this backseat, armchair warriors who presume to judge an event that they weren't privy to by the sensibilities of today.
If you are going to mentally time travel why don't you go back further than the Bombings and see what was happening in the world that led Japan into beginning this war to begin with.
If you are going to mentally time travel why don't you go back further than the Bombings and see what was happening in the world that led Japan into beginning this war to begin with.
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As a student of military history, I am of two minds about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I am appalled at the terrible loss of life both at the time and since then due to radiation effects. The total I believe may be several hundred thousand.
On the other hand the invasion of the Japanese main islands was scheduled for the spring of 1946. Military planners were already well aware that the Japanese defense would be desperate and deadly. The official Japanese slogan of the day was "90 million die together”. The Allied planners were preparing for 6 million casualties in the invasion. It was estimated that 2 million of those would be deaths.
It must have been a heart wrenching decision for Truman to have to make. Remember that he had available only those two bombs. Another six would be available in 1946. He may very well have made the right decision based on the lesser of two evils proposition.
What Truman did not know, and is still little known today, is that the Japanese nuclear program was well advanced and was not years behind but only a few weeks behind. Their main research and development facility was located in what is now North Korea at Project Z. There is evidence that the Japanese actually conducted a successful nuclear test in the Sea of Japan off the coast of North Korea on the day before the Emperor intervened and forced the Japanese surrender.
Interestingly enough, Project Z fell into the hands of the Russian occupiers of North Korea and Russia was a nuclear power within a few short years.
On the other hand the invasion of the Japanese main islands was scheduled for the spring of 1946. Military planners were already well aware that the Japanese defense would be desperate and deadly. The official Japanese slogan of the day was "90 million die together”. The Allied planners were preparing for 6 million casualties in the invasion. It was estimated that 2 million of those would be deaths.
It must have been a heart wrenching decision for Truman to have to make. Remember that he had available only those two bombs. Another six would be available in 1946. He may very well have made the right decision based on the lesser of two evils proposition.
What Truman did not know, and is still little known today, is that the Japanese nuclear program was well advanced and was not years behind but only a few weeks behind. Their main research and development facility was located in what is now North Korea at Project Z. There is evidence that the Japanese actually conducted a successful nuclear test in the Sea of Japan off the coast of North Korea on the day before the Emperor intervened and forced the Japanese surrender.
Interestingly enough, Project Z fell into the hands of the Russian occupiers of North Korea and Russia was a nuclear power within a few short years.
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IIRC we were in a race for the bomb. If The U.S. didn't initiate the attack, another country would have.
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Like the Holocaust. 6 Million Jews murdered. 18 million Russian men dead (were they Jewish too? Because many Jews lived outside of the major cities in Russia). 30-50 million Chinese dead. All a result of the Axis during WW2. How many Japanese people died in those bombings? Japan invaded China, and China lost 30-50 Million to my knowledge.
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The fact of the matter is that the people that died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were mostly civilians and a high percentage were schoolchildren sent to those cities as they weren't being bombed as much.
You cannot hold individuals responsible for the collective crimes of their armed forces or are all Americans to blame for the killing of the plains Indians or the trail of tears or Vietnam for that matter?
In fact, Nagasaki as the Christian heartland of Japan had an above average amount of conscientious objectors to the war.
If you want a good summary of the Japanese High Command, read John Toland's The Rising Sun. In the last days there was a strong peace party and they had been trying to negotiate a deal for two or so years before the end, but got stuck on the requirement of unconditionality.
It is possible that peace may have been achieved without the Bombs' use at all if the Americans had been less intransigent. Another theory is that if they had demonstrated the bomb in a rural area that would probably have been sufficient.
It was not necessary to flatten two cities at all. This was done for data on the effects of nuclear weapons on human subjects as was freely admitted by many scientists at the time (read a bit abour Robert Oppenheimer to see what I am talking about).
The Americans had also cracked the Japanese codes so were well aware of the scuffles in the High Command and the peace party's efforts. Some nudging and a little leeway might have gone a long way.
One cannot say what would have happened if things were otherwise, but the incineration of non-combatants is a crime regardless of the good intentions. If I murder a man so that someone else will stop killing people, I am still a murderer.
Japan committed horrible atrocities in China, Burma and the Philippines and Germany in Russia and the Holocaust. These were inexcusable. But so was the Firebombing of Dresden, the Russian treatment of POWs and the Atom bombs.
Every side in that war has its war criminals and the entire world should stop heaping approbrium on each other regarding it and join together in forgiveness and a universal Mea Culpa.
You cannot hold individuals responsible for the collective crimes of their armed forces or are all Americans to blame for the killing of the plains Indians or the trail of tears or Vietnam for that matter?
In fact, Nagasaki as the Christian heartland of Japan had an above average amount of conscientious objectors to the war.
If you want a good summary of the Japanese High Command, read John Toland's The Rising Sun. In the last days there was a strong peace party and they had been trying to negotiate a deal for two or so years before the end, but got stuck on the requirement of unconditionality.
It is possible that peace may have been achieved without the Bombs' use at all if the Americans had been less intransigent. Another theory is that if they had demonstrated the bomb in a rural area that would probably have been sufficient.
It was not necessary to flatten two cities at all. This was done for data on the effects of nuclear weapons on human subjects as was freely admitted by many scientists at the time (read a bit abour Robert Oppenheimer to see what I am talking about).
The Americans had also cracked the Japanese codes so were well aware of the scuffles in the High Command and the peace party's efforts. Some nudging and a little leeway might have gone a long way.
One cannot say what would have happened if things were otherwise, but the incineration of non-combatants is a crime regardless of the good intentions. If I murder a man so that someone else will stop killing people, I am still a murderer.
Japan committed horrible atrocities in China, Burma and the Philippines and Germany in Russia and the Holocaust. These were inexcusable. But so was the Firebombing of Dresden, the Russian treatment of POWs and the Atom bombs.
Every side in that war has its war criminals and the entire world should stop heaping approbrium on each other regarding it and join together in forgiveness and a universal Mea Culpa.
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Not for the thousands of civilians, including children who had to live with the radiation effects.
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Hmmm... is this thread a test of how well Truman's attempted white wash is holding up 71 years afterwards?
How can we know how many of those who continue to push Truman's white wash attempt are insincere?
True students of history know that virtually all the top military men involved in the war at the time condemned the use of nuclear weapons as unnecessary, including 5 star US general, supreme allied commander, and two term us Republican president Dwight David Eisenhower. Even hawkish Army Air Corps (later Air Force) general Curtis Lemay said the nuclear attacks were not necessary.
No, the us of nuclear weapons by the US did not save 1/2 million US soldiers.
And yes - as one poster points out - the firebombings of Japan and Europe were also war crimes.
Most bizarre is how one poster cites a verse from 1 John about how those who don't love their brothers can't love Christ while simultaneously supporting the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. Jesus did both command us to love and do good to our enemies, as well as tell us that those who truly love him will follow his commandments and those who don't love him won't.
How can we know how many of those who continue to push Truman's white wash attempt are insincere?
True students of history know that virtually all the top military men involved in the war at the time condemned the use of nuclear weapons as unnecessary, including 5 star US general, supreme allied commander, and two term us Republican president Dwight David Eisenhower. Even hawkish Army Air Corps (later Air Force) general Curtis Lemay said the nuclear attacks were not necessary.
No, the us of nuclear weapons by the US did not save 1/2 million US soldiers.
And yes - as one poster points out - the firebombings of Japan and Europe were also war crimes.
Most bizarre is how one poster cites a verse from 1 John about how those who don't love their brothers can't love Christ while simultaneously supporting the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. Jesus did both command us to love and do good to our enemies, as well as tell us that those who truly love him will follow his commandments and those who don't love him won't.
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