Day 5, Proverbs Chapter 5

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Proverbs 5
Everyone read Chapter 5 if it is the 5th day of the month today. Come back and give us your thoughts....Tishri1 :wave:
1 My son, pay attention to my wisdom; incline your ear to my understanding;
2 so that you will preserve discretion and your lips keep watch over knowledge.
[/QUOTE]My own son is less irritating lately. Is it because I'm being attentive to this book? I think so. Perception is everything and reading these first two verses in just about every chapter is changing me (I will be excited to see if serious change happens to our family next month.).
9 so that you won't give your vigor to others and your years to someone who is cruel,
10 so strangers won't be filled with your strength and what you worked for go to a foreign house.
11Then, when your flesh and bones have shrunk, at the end of your life, you would moan,
12 "How I hated discipline! My whole being despised reproof,
Funny how the verses about age are staring at me.....I am checking.....Is this me???.....Thank God not! But I dont want it to be my children either.....or myself later in life either.
16 Let what your springs produce be dispersed outside, streams of water flowing in the streets;
17 but let them be for you alone and not for strangers with you.
18 Let your fountain, the wife of your youth, be blessed; find joy in her
AMEN!:clap::prayer:

You can tell by the end of the chapter that this is talking about relationships and marriage but for me its more holistic.... as I have said before, for me its about attitude.
 
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Hi,

Oh my this one is tough. I looked at it yesterday, and could say nothing, as horror and fear gripped, me.

What do I say?

Do I know of what this says, in 3 through 20? Yes, indeed I know, for I have lived them. Was it a lesson to learn from? Yes.

To be clear this sin, have I done. This sin took away years and years and years of my life. It hurt others.

It hurt, even though I was not a Christian except by Birth Baptism. I doubt, that this would have been my sin once, had I been knowing that God was Real and The Bible is Real, back in those days.

Yes, I was taken in. Yes, I lost my life for all those years.

Yet, with Jesus and what He does, I have a new life in God, that is so unbelievable as the death here, if it was realized, was realized and then I was resurrected somehow. No. No, I do not feel it. I do not feel resurrected, Biblically.

My life makes no sense, though,. How it can be so wonderful and glorious; (glory is giving credit where credit is due. Glorious merely means here, that God did much to me.); and yet have committed that sin, twice?

Maybe I have died, and don't know it. And yet, I am not alive in Christ, rather it is Christ that allowed me to live.

Then in my life, for I am also transgendered, even that, while still confusing me a little, if I lean not on my own understandings, but only listen to the directions given to me by Jesus, then things are fine.

I am confused though, why do not others do this. Ah, I know. I was forced to submit to God, as there is and was no other choice. So, like Jonah, until forced I listened only to me. I was forced.

Still the confusion is large for others. Their question has to be, for an adulterer in a male body, and a transgender woman in a male's body, how can God not reject you? Are you not the worst sinner that even you have heard of? In those terms, YES. YES, I am one of the worst sinners that I can think of in those terms. (I do not like to tell the truth here. It is your ways, and Proverbs 5, that cause this. For how can I keep secret anything of God, and is it not said, that all things of God are to be revealed, someday.)

With being a transgender from age 5, and trying to please people and not God, I even adulterated twice and went through all that is here.

It is only since the year 2000, and I was born in 1947, that eventually I tried only to please God, as that is what knowledge of God causes.

It is in that pleasing God, from actually knowing this book is Real, and therefore God is Real, that eventually from the year 2000, my life changed. Yet, I was an adulterer. I listened. I lost. I lost for more than thirty years.

Later, I was captured by a Narcissist. They do that. I lost/won almost 26 years of my life to her. Yes, I was still trying to please others and not God.
I say won, as I did get what I wanted. I wanted three children, and my daughter is equal to three normal children in activity when she was born. Everyone noticed.

I say won, because eventually the Narcissist did something, she attacked my daughter religiously.

I say won, as to find out if she was being attacked or not, I had to find out something, of which I knew nothing of at the time. the year was about 1992 or so.

I say won as that slavery to the Narcissist, gave me no idea of self. Self no longer mattered to me. Being a parent also does that.
I say won, as I am a scientist of sorts, and That Book that you in this Proverbs section, know is true, I did not, and using Science only proved it was Real.

I say won, as the Bible talks about God, and since the Bible is Real so is God.
Since I knew God was real, rather Quickly He God made His presence known to me in the smallest most unique ways, then without noticing soon I was working only for Him.

Then somehow, working for Him, God The Father's Son, and Mary did something one day, but before that, I, who have only posted some of my sins, I was given the ability to love, like God actually loves for awhile.
How, or why is it possible, for a sinner as large as I, one so large that if I told you what I am capable of, even Sociopaths might cringe, and I was given the ability to love like God actually loves for a short period of time. Only the memory remains now.

So, that is enough. This would all confuse me, as it is true what it says here, and my story is true also, if I did not know of Jesus.

It is only since I know of Jesus, and know that Jesus did things to and for me, including revealing His Actual Father to me one day, as He says He can do, does it not make sense, but I believe that no one is beyond God's love, and what we all call being saved, which to me translates to, life after death, but with God, rather than life after death without God.

Still, I read Proverbs, because it makes me wiser, even in the affirmations of what I have done wrong, in the past.

How, I can be all that I am in the past, and still in a mystical marriage with God which happened about 7 years after finding out The Bible and God is Real, I do not know. I suspect it is because, Biblically it is said somewhere by God: "Who loves Me, most? Is it the one I have forgiven little to, or the one I
have forgiven much to?"

That comforted me, in this seeming impossibility. I am sorry actually to tell you all the truth about my actual sins and abilities to sin. I just did not know how to respond to this, without telling the truth.

I hate this Proverb, as it was my life for many years. I love this Proverb, because it is true, but with Jesus the outcome is fixable, by Jesus.

LOVE,
...Mary., M. .... .

Proverbs 5 NIV
1
My son,pay attention to my wisdom,
turn your ear to my words of insight,
2
that you may maintain discretion
and your lips may preserve knowledge.
3
For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil;
4
but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5
Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
6
She gives no thought to the way of life;
her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
7
Now then, my sons, listen to me;
do not turn aside from what I say.
8
Keep to a path far from her,
do not go near the door of her house,
9
lest you lose your honor to others
and your dignity[a] to one who is cruel,
10
lest strangers feast on your wealth
and your toil enrich the house of another.
11
At the end of your life you will groan,
when your flesh and body are spent.
12
You will say, “How I hated discipline!
How my heart spurned correction!
13
I would not obey my teachers
or turn my ear to my instructors.
14
And I was soon in serious trouble
in the assembly of God’s people.”
15
Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
16
Should your springs overflow in the streets,
your streams of water in the public squares?
17
Let them be yours alone,
never to be shared with strangers.
18
May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19
A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.
20
Why, my son, be intoxicated with another man’s wife?
Why embrace the bosom of a wayward woman?
21
For your ways are in full view of the Lord,
and he examines all your paths.
22
The evil deeds of the wicked ensnare them;
the cords of their sins hold them fast.
23
For lack of discipline they will die,
led astray by their own great folly.


Footnotes:
  1. Proverbs 5:9 Or years
New International Version (NIV)
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If you want you can remove this. They say Saints are perfect. I wish I was. They say to be holy is to be perfect. I wish that were also my life, perfect.
I really do not understand, how God can make things right, but I trust that He has.

LOVE,
...Mary., M., .... .
 
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Hi Mary,
I am glad you shared as much as you did (even feeling compelled to share by the Holy Spirit). Your testimony is strong and very serious and will touch many around you. It will touch many many folks who find you here as well. Bless you!
 
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Hi,

Proverbs today, reminds me that it is an individual lesson. Since reading again the nostalgic wonders found in Jerimiah and Lamentations, the adulterous woman is really for me today, courting or listening to other false gods.

Yes, your lesson may be otherwise, but. But, Proverbs gives each reader wisdom, from Wisdom who God put all His Wisdom into, without every being devoid of wisdom Himself. After all where did the wisdom come from in the first place, to be put in others?

I am reminded that it is in merely reading Proverbs daily and then waiting, that gives wisdom to those who are searching for God.

I am reminded that even though, I did not know how to read Proverbs or The Bible again, when once I was sought out Biblically, slowly the call of God, in helping others is putting me more and more in touch with The Word again.

Proverbs is an individual read. It is to make you, one person, wise. The one who reads Proverbs.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Someone here said to see the wanton woman as other gods. Today I read it that way, it seems to fit that also. It may even make more sense that way.

Proverbs is like that. Meetings, regular with others is too.

Proverbs is like that, and so is the Bible to me that way, the more I read, the more I know.

The reason I know is not though because of me. I think it is said in Apocrypha. God watches over His Words and makes them come true.

But, also it seems, He makes the confusion of His words go away, and He, God, lets us or makes us understand what we read eventually, as long as we persist and stay in The Kingdom of God by seeing and hearing with a heart for God.

For God is love, and it takes love to see and hear God, it seems.

So, yes this can be seen two ways, one with human women for males, but it can be seen as other gods as lovers, than the Real God.

LOVE,
 
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verse 15 recommendes being faithful in marriage; I believe that this is great to preach, and to encourage our Christian youth to read. People in the world, media etc, just don't know this teaching. It would stop so much pain and heart ache if it were taken to heart.
A very good chapter, so serious, so relevant to today's illusions of greener pastures elseware.
 
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what stood out for me in Proverbs 5 is the very last verse (verse 23) that sums up what the end is, when one rejects wisdom and discretion.

what a tragedy:

23 He shall die without instruction;
 
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...yes, so true Brinny, my Living Bible says...

He shall die because he will not listen to the truth, he has let himself be led away into incredible folly...
 
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...yes, so true Brinny, my Living Bible says...

He shall die because he will not listen to the truth, he has let himself be led away into incredible folly...

yes, sooooo tragic.....

what a way to approach one's impending mortality
 
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Hi,

Three deaths await some
Countless tears are for all others
A physical death of earth comes to most of us

A second death to us can occur
It is to be alive after earth but not with God
Life is being alive after earth but being with God

Yes, another death yet awaits some
Listed it is, as the lake of fire
More tears maybe from the rest of us and God, fall

Fall for them
For those some
who end up there.

To me, I can never say
God does not hurt for them
Why do they not listen

Maybe God knows why
I do not
It is not logical

LOVE,
 
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Proverbs 5 was pretty self explanatory.
Proverbs 5:23 <-- a long while back I had a friend die at a party because she didn't listen to instruction/wisdom of not going to such things, especially having a son...
 
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what stood out for me in Proverbs 5 is the very last verse (verse 23) that sums up what the end is, when one rejects wisdom and discretion.

what a tragedy:

23 He shall die without instruction;


This, again, is what stood out for me as i read Proverbs 5.

Tragic that anyone would reject Christ's grace and die this way, still rejecting even in those last glimmers of their fading life, Christ's inexplicable grace.

Inexplicably tragic.
 
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God knows all. Even when we think He doesn't know what we are doing, He is always there.

Proverbs 5:21 NKJV
"For the ways of man are before the eyes of the Lord,
And He ponders all his paths."
 
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well...a chapter warning of dangers...
 
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Hi,

Exhausted, an alert came. My timer went off for another function. Still I toiled.

Finally, I came here and read your responses. I was confused by them.

Quickly, I went above, and Read Proverbs 5.

More angst was there. My stomach was tight. "He said the adulteress could also be seen as a false religion or god."

Argh. I don't want to read it that way. It was almost impossible not to.

I went back and back. Now I don't know anything, but false religion or false gods, allows that to make sense to women now also, and be an admonition to them.

Argh?, or Thank you Holy Spirit? I don't know yet.

LOVE,
 
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In reading Proverbs 5, verse 12 stood out for me:

"And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;"

To not give heed to the wisdom and discernment that God Himself teaches us, leads to destruction and disastrous consequences. It is a "heart" condition, which m,eans that in one's heart, they either embrace wisdom and the Author of it, or they DESPISE (loathe, hate) wisdom and the Author of it.

They are "oppositional" to God and His wisdom He teaches, which means that they "oppose" God, and therefore are God's enemy.

opposition = the action of opposing, resisting, or combating; antagonism or hostility.

Reminds me of this:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" ~1 Peter 5:8
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In reading Proverbs 5, verse 12 stood out for me:

"And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;"

To not give heed to the wisdom and discernment that God Himself teaches us, leads to destruction and disastrous consequences. It is a "heart" condition, which m,eans that in one's heart, they either embrace wisdom and the Author of it, or they DESPISE (loathe, hate) wisdom and the Author of it.

They are "oppositional" to God and His wisdom He teaches, which means that they "oppose" God, and therefore are God's enemy.

opposition = the action of opposing, resisting, or combating; antagonism or hostility.

Reminds me of this:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" ~1 Peter 5:8
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Hi,

And now from the community of believers, God has told me to accept new instructions.

That community to me today is one person, @brinny with her Proverbs 5:12.

Now, on a different subject, The Bible uses common words. Love is common to us.

God, Biblically does not shift His words to our words, to give us meaning.

He uses His words His Way and even speaks in Parables.

Clearly though, He tells us in Proverbs, somewhere like 28 or maybe 29, that indeed He hides things. It is His Way.

Love though, I hope the way God defines that word, emotionally, in feelings with content, and perhaps even visually with content in the vision or picture of His Love, is this in action.

Doing the will of the one you love.

Jesus loved that way. He did the will of the one he loved, in His Father.

Thus as you say @brinny , is it not so, that doing the will of the one you love, is not opposing?

As always, it seems to me all things are simultaneously true with God, including All He has ever said.

Love, the definition I used is from the New Testament. Love, not opposing, is the definition you are noting in The Old Testament.

They are both identical in ways, tying the New Testament and The Old Teatament, together to me.

It's nice, that God is that, sweet and wonderful, but tender and mild enough to, to nurture us consistently over hundred to thousands of years, even with His Personal Words to us, also.

LOVE,
 
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