Hello everyone so I'm a good person generally and would defend God and what not but at the same time I find myself having a hard time believing truly. There's so much info out there to discredit Christianity so I have a hard time believing it fully. How do you guys believe even after seeing scientific info? how do you have faith? Please enlighten me. I'm not saying Christianity is wrong I am saying how do you stay true with all the info out there to discredit it?
I need guidance
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afishamongmany
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Hi there Dakota, Good to see you.
This "scientific info" that "discredits Christianity" - you'll need to be a bit more specific.
Science is only a methodology for finding out and understanding. It's a methodology that we all use more or less haphazardly in day to day living. I don't want to shock you too much but scientific pronouncements are not always right. Also, scientific investigation deal primarily with the material world. God is Spirit and faith in Him is a spiritual attribute. The spiritual and the material are different domains but they are not two completely separate worlds. This material world is a "product" of and exists within, the spiritual universe as in, "God created the heavens and the earth". So much more that could be said but have a think about what Paul says in The Bible in 1 Corinthians chpt.2 verses 9 to 14.
As to, "how do you have faith?", saving faith is given. It is given to those who look for it in sincerity and humility. Think about what is being said in the book of Hebrews chpt.11 verse 6.
Guidance - keep your compass pointing towards The Lord Jesus Christ, he is the way and the destination.
Hope this helps.
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This "scientific info" that "discredits Christianity" - you'll need to be a bit more specific.
Science is only a methodology for finding out and understanding. It's a methodology that we all use more or less haphazardly in day to day living. I don't want to shock you too much but scientific pronouncements are not always right. Also, scientific investigation deal primarily with the material world. God is Spirit and faith in Him is a spiritual attribute. The spiritual and the material are different domains but they are not two completely separate worlds. This material world is a "product" of and exists within, the spiritual universe as in, "God created the heavens and the earth". So much more that could be said but have a think about what Paul says in The Bible in 1 Corinthians chpt.2 verses 9 to 14.
As to, "how do you have faith?", saving faith is given. It is given to those who look for it in sincerity and humility. Think about what is being said in the book of Hebrews chpt.11 verse 6.
Guidance - keep your compass pointing towards The Lord Jesus Christ, he is the way and the destination.
Hope this helps.
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How do you respond when people say the earth is billions of year old and not 6,000 for example.
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afishamongmany
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Well it depends how much time they've got and how much I've got 
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1. Carbon dating claims its authority from an imprecise technology based on assumptions that maybe should not be so surely assumed.
2. I put my trust in the information given in The Bible which gives from the creation of Adam to now ish of 6000 ish years.
3.There are people who have saving faith and are quite happy for the earth to be billions of years old. So why for you Dakota is the age of the earth a problem?
All the best ><>
.1. Carbon dating claims its authority from an imprecise technology based on assumptions that maybe should not be so surely assumed.
2. I put my trust in the information given in The Bible which gives from the creation of Adam to now ish of 6000 ish years.
3.There are people who have saving faith and are quite happy for the earth to be billions of years old. So why for you Dakota is the age of the earth a problem?
All the best ><>
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MWood
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Who really knows how old the earth is? And what difference does it make? The only years that we can find in the Bible start with the age of Adam. It doesn't tell us when God created the Heavens and the Earth. The numbers tell us when God formed Adam from the dust of the earth. So how old is our earth? And why does it really matter?
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I just idk there's a lot of stuff out there that discredits the bible I know it was written by man and ensured by God . I see people like bill nye just beat down religion and it's hard for me to counter some of the arguments. Like Noah how did he possibly get all those animals on one boat especially when various animals are on opposite sides of the world ?
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afishamongmany
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Hi there Dayton,
“... there's a lot of stuff out there that discredits the bible”
There sure is. Thank God there is also stuff out there that does the opposite. Are you looking for and listening to all sides of the discussion. I'm talking about the serious debate not all that, “Ho ho ho, what would a Christian know about “Science,”” or “Shur up ya retard!”, stuff.
“I see people like bill nye just beat down religion and it's hard for me to counter some of the arguments.”
Well yes, it would be unless you actually know what the counter arguments are.
Don't be mesmerized. Remember these celebs are only lumps of clay like you and me.
“Like Noah how did he possibly get all those animals on one boat especially when various animals are on opposite sides of the world?”
Some hold that at one time there was only one land mass and that the present continents “drifted” apart later. There is some geological backing for the theory but ? .
It was God Himself who gave Noah the plan and dimensions of the boat so I think there was probably enough space for what God wanted it for.
“... the bible I know it was written by man and ensured by God.”
When you say you know, do you mean, that is what you believe or that is what others have told you but your not sure if it's true? I suspect the second?
Paul the old apostle, in prison and soon to be martyred, wrote to Timothy a young minister that:
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; “
2 Timothy chpt.3 verse 16
If there are any specific teachings like, the age of the earth or the flood, etc., etc., that you feel are a real obstacles to you trusting The Lord Jesus Christ then do the research, start or join the relevent threads here at CF or on other relevant sites. But expose yourself to all sides of the debates.
In the end though the biggest obstacle to us putting our faith in Christ and His word is found in the heart rather than the head. The Lord Jesus promised his disciples that The Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. That promise is still valid.
All the Best
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“... there's a lot of stuff out there that discredits the bible”
There sure is. Thank God there is also stuff out there that does the opposite. Are you looking for and listening to all sides of the discussion. I'm talking about the serious debate not all that, “Ho ho ho, what would a Christian know about “Science,”” or “Shur up ya retard!”, stuff.
“I see people like bill nye just beat down religion and it's hard for me to counter some of the arguments.”
Well yes, it would be unless you actually know what the counter arguments are.
Don't be mesmerized. Remember these celebs are only lumps of clay like you and me.
“Like Noah how did he possibly get all those animals on one boat especially when various animals are on opposite sides of the world?”
Some hold that at one time there was only one land mass and that the present continents “drifted” apart later. There is some geological backing for the theory but ? .
It was God Himself who gave Noah the plan and dimensions of the boat so I think there was probably enough space for what God wanted it for.
“... the bible I know it was written by man and ensured by God.”
When you say you know, do you mean, that is what you believe or that is what others have told you but your not sure if it's true? I suspect the second?
Paul the old apostle, in prison and soon to be martyred, wrote to Timothy a young minister that:
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; “
2 Timothy chpt.3 verse 16
If there are any specific teachings like, the age of the earth or the flood, etc., etc., that you feel are a real obstacles to you trusting The Lord Jesus Christ then do the research, start or join the relevent threads here at CF or on other relevant sites. But expose yourself to all sides of the debates.
In the end though the biggest obstacle to us putting our faith in Christ and His word is found in the heart rather than the head. The Lord Jesus promised his disciples that The Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. That promise is still valid.
All the Best
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Hi Dakota, I had the same problems before I really came to know the Lord. My church had a humanist vicar who explained away all the miricles in the Bible, so I understand your auguments.
Then I read about some different kind of Christians who had 'something more' they really 'knew' Jesus as a real person! They had been filled with the Holy Spirit, and all this was by just reading literature in a Christian book shop. I just had to find some Christians like these, and I did.
When I gave my life to the Lord I had the most wonderful experiences of God in a real way, a real relationship. All my objections became insignificant and are being dealt with as I grow in Christ. I praise God for his wonderful love and kindness to me.
So what would I recommend? Seek the Lord, I believe he is there for you, I will pray for you, that the Lord will make himself real to you and bless you richly.
John 3: 16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Then I read about some different kind of Christians who had 'something more' they really 'knew' Jesus as a real person! They had been filled with the Holy Spirit, and all this was by just reading literature in a Christian book shop. I just had to find some Christians like these, and I did.
When I gave my life to the Lord I had the most wonderful experiences of God in a real way, a real relationship. All my objections became insignificant and are being dealt with as I grow in Christ. I praise God for his wonderful love and kindness to me.
So what would I recommend? Seek the Lord, I believe he is there for you, I will pray for you, that the Lord will make himself real to you and bless you richly.
John 3: 16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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When I was a Christian I was so because I was raised in a family of Christians.
As a child it was just part of all the other instruction received in how to cope and believe things worked in this world. It didn't make sense to me probably around the age of eight or so and when I started to listen to all the reasons people gave for a little girl in the church having been crushed under a car.
It's God's will. God works in mysterious ways. God wanted his angel back.
I remember to this day those euphemisms and all this other excusing for why a beautiful loving happy little child was crushed to death under a Ford.
I know some really good people who are Christian. For them it is a relationship like unto that family bond we feel for our parents, siblings, other relatives. That part of ourselves that never needs to be dissected to find out why we feel that way about being connected to one another.
I'd say if you have to work at it to feel faith that that's the antithesis of faith itself. Maybe you're one of those for whom the old saying, I'll trust God believes in me.
And you do good without thinking you need God to be a good person.
I personally think humans have created God in their image and likeness. Too afraid to live in a world where it is all on them to make it work or not. And if there is some unseen spirit working the strings behind the scene of this earthly stage and it is our creator, how can it be surprised when we act as we were created to be with a human nature?
My advice? Believe in yourself. Know you can do good, be successful, because this one life is the chance you have to make a life, make a difference, and leave something of yourself behind. And when you die that's next but it isn't anything to worry about because you can't do a thing about that. All you can do is what you're able to do now being human and with a conscience.
I wish you the best.
As a child it was just part of all the other instruction received in how to cope and believe things worked in this world. It didn't make sense to me probably around the age of eight or so and when I started to listen to all the reasons people gave for a little girl in the church having been crushed under a car.
It's God's will. God works in mysterious ways. God wanted his angel back.
I remember to this day those euphemisms and all this other excusing for why a beautiful loving happy little child was crushed to death under a Ford.
I know some really good people who are Christian. For them it is a relationship like unto that family bond we feel for our parents, siblings, other relatives. That part of ourselves that never needs to be dissected to find out why we feel that way about being connected to one another.
I'd say if you have to work at it to feel faith that that's the antithesis of faith itself. Maybe you're one of those for whom the old saying, I'll trust God believes in me.
And you do good without thinking you need God to be a good person.
I personally think humans have created God in their image and likeness. Too afraid to live in a world where it is all on them to make it work or not. And if there is some unseen spirit working the strings behind the scene of this earthly stage and it is our creator, how can it be surprised when we act as we were created to be with a human nature?
My advice? Believe in yourself. Know you can do good, be successful, because this one life is the chance you have to make a life, make a difference, and leave something of yourself behind. And when you die that's next but it isn't anything to worry about because you can't do a thing about that. All you can do is what you're able to do now being human and with a conscience.
I wish you the best.
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You say that a 6000 year old Earth is bad science and worse theology.
A 6000 year old Earth is obtained by an overly literal reading of Genesis and then an erroneous understanding of the Jewish genealogies. If you follow a foolish view of Scripture you must either become foolish or eventually reject that interpretation. Most of the time it seems the mode of rejecting that interpretation is to reject Christianity entirely. It also seems the longer one has held that view the more apt that is to occur. If you want to remain Christian I'd suggest learning about other interpretations of Scripture (and do not be misled to thinking other interpretations are a recent deviation from historic Christian thought, that fundie claim is an outright lie).
If you do not wish to remain Christian then come over to the dark side, we have cookies!
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Dakota,
I believe in God the Father, and his Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit,
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Watch Christian testimonies. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDlfG_6R0xuZXC552QQTUQGkzpMgjUWzY
I will pray for you as well, that God will help you find clarity. God Bless you, and I send you much love.
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