What trumpet or seal are we in?

pinacled · Nov 22, 2015

yonah_mishael said:
One of the worst uses of Strong's dictionary that I've witnessed in some time. To turn τόξον ("bow" [the weapon]) into a fabric or whatever is just nonsensical. The horseman was had a bow (weapon) for the purpose of waging war, not to throw seed into a field. Good grief!

Like the parable of the Tares.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

pinacled · Nov 23, 2015

Lulav said:
Conquest, War, Famine, and Death

It is interesting to note that each of these 'horsemen' are introduced by a different
'beast' or being.

And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Now if we match these up in order of their introduction we have

Being #1 that was like a Lion - 1st horseman on a White horse with a bow and a crown was given unto him- object to conquer (First SEAL)
Being #2 that was like a Calf - 2nd horseman on a Red horse with a sword - object to take peace from the earth (to bring war) (Second SEAL)
Being #3 that was like a Man - 3rd horseman on a Black horse with a set of balances - object famine - (Third SEAL)
Being #4 that was like an Eagle -4th horseman on a Pale horse - (Fourth SEAL)

This fourth is different the rider has a name and that name is DEATH, and HELL follows with him. Power is given to THEM to fight against the people and the earth with these 'weapons; Sword, hunger, death and animals over a fourth of the earth. It seems as if the two on horse four are using the powers of the preceding three.
And this fourth horseman is introduced by the being that is Like an EAGLE.

It gets really interesting when considering the possibility that these beast are mentioned in the Writings. That there may be stories to show how they came to Worship our Father in Heaven.

visionary · Nov 24, 2015

pinacled said:
It gets really interesting when considering the possibility that these beast are mentioned in the Writings. That there may be stories to show how they came to Worship our Father in Heaven.

Really?? I never heard... do tell.

Sheeple Shepherd · Nov 24, 2015

The Beast is the religious system coupled with a gov system.......ie.......RCC and her daughters.

The harlots.

Pentateuch and Yeshua · Nov 24, 2015

I'm no longer convinced by the book of Rev but that was how I interpreted it too, the union of the Papacy/Jesuits who control the religious sects of Catholicism, Christianity, Islam (yes!) and probably others, (and I also think that the modern new age religions are an offshoot of a mix of the eastern religions such as Buddhism, Taoism and Hinduism with an atheistic form of Islam, well, you know what I mean, the Islam way of thinking without the deity involved) as one aspect of the beast and the global capitalist, political, royal, banking/economic sect of the world was the other.

I also at one time looked at it as though it could be common law jurisdiction vs civil roman law jusrisdiction as the two aspects of the beast or the iron and clay, but that doesn't account for all the sharia law jurisdiction, and I've also looked at it as lawless christianity and Islam.
It's hard to ignore the similarities between the islamic and christian end time views, as though the antichrist in Revelation is the mahdi to the muslims and the antichrist to the muslims is the christian version/view of Jesus.
There is even something akin to the so called mark of the beast in the Islamic view that will be given to all who praise "allah".

Personally, for the end time prophecies, I'm happy with the Tanakh and what Yeshua said in Matthew in order to have a good idea of what is to come, but it's always interesting to check Revelation regularly against real time events to see if something clicks!

pinacled · Nov 24, 2015

visionary said:
Really?? I never heard... do tell.

Listen very closely to the description of these beings. Meditate day and night. What is Spiritual will be spiritually discerned.

rockytopva · Nov 24, 2015

Four earthly regimes...

1. White Horseman - Democracy
2. Red Horseman - Communism (Note the communist flag - red with a sword)
3. Black Horseman - Islam - Note the attackers are in black
4. Pale Horseman - The AntiChrist

Note the number four... Which is the number of the earth... Someone prophesied that there would be four to rule Europe....

1. Charlemagne
2. Napoleon
3. Hitler
4. The Anti-Christ

There was also four great empires to rule the world...

1. The golden head - Babylon
2. The silver chest - Persia
3. The brass thighs - Greece
4. The iron legs - Rome

visionary · Nov 24, 2015

I wonder if the four animals in Revelation are in relationship to these four tribes.

pinacled · Nov 27, 2015

pinacled said:
Strange how the similarities go from Living creatures 4 wings to beast with 6 wings.

Seems the source I was reading from was a poor translation. Multiple sources of KJV differ. Strongs is written as Living Creatures along with other versions.. Sorry for any confusion.

This is a new one for me. The variation did give me some insight though.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/4-6.htm

visionary · Nov 28, 2015

four living creatures (or, living beings)... like God is going to have dead or statues/images made to stand before Him.

pinacled · Dec 1, 2015

Found something interesting the other day...

Genesis
3And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. 4And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. 5And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth [month], on the first [day] of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

Revelation
And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.

visionary · Dec 1, 2015

pinacled said:
Found something interesting the other day...

Genesis
3And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. 4And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. 5And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth [month], on the first [day] of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

Revelation
And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.

.The Revelation quote you chose is for the fifth trumpet....

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Seventh Month/17th day...right there in the midst of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Five months... Five months after Passover is Feast of Trumpets. That is the only five month feast gap I know.

Could you tell me what you found interesting?

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

visionary said:
Fifth seal..

There has been tons of false Messiahs popping up saying they are Jesus , some people are giving up their everything to go be with these liars. And people fall for it, I am not talking children, I'm talking male and female adults, WOW

Fires are running rapidly in Cali and in other parts of USA, and out of USA, floods, earthquakes 100s a day, kingdom against kingdom, wars and rumors of wars, sink holes, do I need say anymore, this is all unfolding right before our eyes just as the Scriptures say.. And Israel has everyone up against them. What more is necessary to qualify?

i believe no seals have been opened...hi vis

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
We are awaiting the fourth or possibly the third seal, last I heard. But anyway:

"There has been tons of false Messiahs popping up saying they are Jesus"

I used to interpret it that way too. But Yeshua said "people will come saying I AM HE", meaning Christians will come and say that Jesus IS THE MESSIAH, but will teach lawlessness. It is not about people claiming to be the Messiah, it is about people claiming Yeshua/Jesus (correctly) is the Messiah, but denying their testimony through lawless deeds and doctrines.

i assume that would be someone like me..i am labeled lawless because i believe my righteousness is in yah hoshiyya in that he fullfilled the law for me...just helping you out brother hoshiyya

but could it not be interpreted both ways....he did say false messiahs will come...plural

pinacled · Dec 1, 2015

visionary said:
.The Revelation quote you chose is for the fifth trumpet....

Seventh Month/17th day...right there in the midst of the Feast of Tabernacles.
Five months... Five months after Passover is Feast of Trumpets. That is the only five month feast gap I know.

Could you tell me what you found interesting?

Sorry, well..
Its a theory of mine. I havnt found any material to compare to. But I have seen what seems to me to be a Calendrical pattern throughout the Law.

Elihoenai · Dec 2, 2015

Joshua = Jehoshua = Jesus = Jehovah/Yahweh is Salvation

We say Verily Verily, while the enemy of Jehovah/Yahweh God engages in Wild Speculation causing instability in the Currency.

The enemy is well aware of the consequences of Wild Speculation, as his false / own interpretation of prophecies fail to come to pass, thereby Devaluing the Currency in the eyes of many.

2 Peter 1:19-21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

19 And we have more firm the prophetic word, to which we do well giving heed, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, till day may dawn, and a morning star may arise -- in your hearts;

20 this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,

21 for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

John 5:30 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

30 `I am not able of myself to do anything; according as I hear I judge, and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me.

visionary · Dec 2, 2015

dfw69 said:
i believe no seals have been opened...hi vis

What would be the trigger, the revealing that the trumpets are sounding, the seals are opened, or any other evidence it is going down? I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you. These are just some thoughts posted on a thread like spaghetti being thrown against the wall to see it if sticks. So any thoughts you might have on the qualifiers would be appreciated.

dfw69 · Dec 2, 2015

visionary said:
What would be the trigger, the revealing that the trumpets are sounding, the seals are opened, or any other evidence it is going down? I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you. These are just some thoughts posted on a thread like spaghetti being thrown against the wall to see it if sticks. So any thoughts you might have on the qualifiers would be appreciated.

I believe the first seal is the rise of the antichrist...war famine and plagues death and Martyrs follow his releasing....the 6 seal of course will not be mistaken..everyone will say the wrath of God has begun...after that sign ..then come the trumpets and then vials

visionary · Dec 2, 2015

At this moment the order I see is all the trumpets up to the sixth first, two witnesses and the beast/Satan imitation of Christ, then the opening of the seals.. up to the sixth and the the seventh is together with the bowls... still in the works... not committing to any version yet.

pinacled · Dec 2, 2015

Elihoenai said:
Joshua = Jehoshua = Jesus = Jehovah/Yahweh is Salvation

We say Verily Verily, while the enemy of Jehovah/Yahweh God engages in Wild Speculation causing instability in the Currency.

The enemy is well aware of the consequences of Wild Speculation, as his false / own interpretation of prophecies fail to come to pass, thereby Devaluing the Currency in the eyes of many.

2 Peter 1:19-21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

19 And we have more firm the prophetic word, to which we do well giving heed, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, till day may dawn, and a morning star may arise -- in your hearts;

20 this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,

21 for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

John 5:30 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

30 `I am not able of myself to do anything; according as I hear I judge, and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me.

Where two or more are gathered.

Joshua
27Joshua said to all the people, "Behold, this stone shall be for a witness against us, for it has heard all the words of the LORD which He spoke to us; thus it shall be for a witness against you, so that you do not deny your God."
Zechariah
8'Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you-- indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch. 9'For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.…

indeed they are men who are a symbol
Compared to the Tanakh.
for they are men worthy of a miracle-for

Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it.
Where as in the Tanakh it is written.
Behold! I untie its knots, says the Lord of Hosts,

This reminded me of the vision given to Peter in Acts.
Acts 10:9-16New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.

11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

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