Pre-Trib Only Another dream of the rapture?

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Can you renew your mind? Can you believe what God says about you?
Romans 12:2 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I asked God too, Lord how can your children know that you want to live in and through them? He said it is in my Word, but they do not believe my Word. Firs most Christians cannot see that we have Lord Jesus in our bellies. If we can learn that the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead is God dwelling in our bodies, I think we would be able to see clearer.Believe what the word says and lose the negative thoughts and philosophies created by men and traditions. Look at these scripture.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Can you really believe this?

John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

How much plainer can our Father be? He does not lie. He is living inside you brother. Just think how much love our Heavenly Father has for us that He wants to put His Spirit in us! Wow! That is too wonderful to contemplate. No, we are no longer sinners if we have our Father's Holy Spirit in us. So start addressing our Father as Heavenly Father, and be His son.And receive all the rights and privileges that goes with being a child of the King.

I have noticed the indwelling of the holy spirit inside me, sometimes I am consumed by a kind of fire this fire I recognize as the holy spirit himself when this fire consumes me I am much stronger and I can endure any kind of pain or trial but more than that the love of God that is the source of this fire is blazing inside me.

But you know it's kind of ironic how I will go to the ends of the earth to show others how deeply God loves and treasures them how he sees them as pure and clean righteous and royalty to show them who he is and who they are to him and how when all they see is a filthy sinner and weak p3erson God is smiling down on them telling them they are the exact opposite and yet even though I have the eyes to see this in others I have yet to obtain the eyes to see myself as this.
But even if I cannot see yet I have no doubt that one day I will because God has always been so good at teaching me and revealing to me the deep and hidden secrets of his heart and of the kingdom of God so I have no doubt that in time he will open my eyes

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

FireHeart said:
I have noticed the indwelling of the holy spirit inside me, sometimes I am consumed by a kind of fire this fire I recognize as the holy spirit himself when this fire consumes me I am much stronger and I can endure any kind of pain or trial but more than that the love of God that is the source of this fire is blazing inside me.

But you know it's kind of ironic how I will go to the ends of the earth to show others how deeply God loves and treasures them how he sees them as pure and clean righteous and royalty to show them who he is and who they are to him and how when all they see is a filthy sinner and weak p3erson God is smiling down on them telling them they are the exact opposite and yet even though I have the eyes to see this in others I have yet to obtain the eyes to see myself as this.
But even if I cannot see yet I have no doubt that one day I will because God has always been so good at teaching me and revealing to me the deep and hidden secrets of his heart and of the kingdom of God so I have no doubt that in time he will open my eyes

Yes, it is the sleeping. Remember that there were ten virgins. Five wise and five foolish. I think Jesus was alluding to the church in this parable. But what does it say? Every one of them fell asleep. The wise and the foolish alike went to sleep. For years now the Church has been sleeping and the oil of the Holy Spirit has burned very low. But today, people are waking up. The Church is trimming her lamps. There are those who have extra oil, a fresh infilling of the Holy Spirit. May you be one who by faith believe and do the Word of God.

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yes, it is the sleeping. Remember that there were ten virgins. Five wise and five foolish. I think Jesus was alluding to the church in this parable. But what does it say? Every one of them fell asleep. The wise and the foolish alike went to sleep. For years now the Church has been sleeping and the oil of the Holy Spirit has burned very low. But today, people are waking up. The Church is trimming her lamps. There are those who have extra oil, a fresh infilling of the Holy Spirit. May you be one who by faith believe and do the Word of God.

Trust me I already am, true I may be lacking in some things in faith as you can see from my own view of myself but it doesn't matter what I am lacking now or how weak I am now because I fully believe in what God can do for those who choose to trust him I believe in his power and i trust him completely. God is creating an army of believers that are not your average Christians they are so full of the holy spirit on a kind of level that even the apostles didn't have, I have seen them and I felt the power of the holy spirit inside these people.

to be honest I only know of this of army of his because he showed me in one of my very first times being taken to the spiritual realm it was also the first time my heart was to be tested

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Don't get me wrong ...I also am a firm believer in that when God Decides to pour out his wrath we will not be here via rapture....that he will fulfill the promises in us and complete our salvation for Faith in him...

I also believe that if the enemies of the gospel wish to destroy America and all.the Christians within that God can make a way for us to be saved....but not because of our own righteousness which is as scarlet but by our faith in his righteousness and obedience in his words to love sinners and have mercy on sinners to judge not and condemns.not ..to love our enemies...that is the righteousness I offer up to the Lord to present my body as a living sacrifice to honor his sons words in deed

When.I hear righteous or righteousness I automatically think of men thinking they are capable to fulfill the law via holy spirit..which Christ has done for us...and many have returned to the law to observe a thing Paul warns us not to...We must fulfill the new laws of the new testament...

I believe that when the Lord comes by rapture that is when we will be able to master our mortal bodies...because we truly will have been restored and the promises realized ...to be like the most high as a son of God ...it's a gift that we will be clothed in his righteousness that he has obtained already from his obedience to the law

We received the holy spirit in Part....but a day comes when the Holy spirit will fully change us to be the sons of God ..

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

FireHeart said:
to be honest I only know of this of army of his because he showed me in one of my very first times being taken to the spiritual realm it was also the first time my heart was to be tested

Will our Father allow you to share this with us?

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
Don't get me wrong ...I also am a firm believer in that when God Decides to pour out his wrath we will not be here via rapture....that he will fulfill the promises in us and complete our salvation for Faith in him...

I also believe that if the enemies of the gospel wish to destroy America and all.the Christians within that God can make a way for us to be saved....but not because of our own righteousness which is as scarlet but by our faith in his righteousness and obedience in his words to love sinners and have mercy on sinners to judge not and condemns.not ..to love our enemies...that is the righteousness I offer up to the Lord to present my body as a living sacrifice to honor his sons words in deed

When.I hear righteous or righteousness I automatically think of men thinking they are capable to fulfill the law via holy spirit..which Christ has done for us...We must fulfill the new laws of the new testament...

I believe that when the Lord comes by rapture that is when we will be able to master our mortal bodies...because we truly will have been restored and the promises realized ...to be like the most high as a son of God ...it's a gift that we will be clothed in his righteousness that he has obtained already from his obedience to the law

We received the holy spirit in Part....but a day comes when the Holy spirit will fully change us to be the sons of God ..

We live no longer brother, but Christ lives in us.
Gal.2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Meditate on this because it is very powerful if you can fully grasp it.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yes, it is the sleeping. Remember that there were ten virgins. Five wise and five foolish. I think Jesus was alluding to the church in this parable. But what does it say? Every one of them fell asleep. The wise and the foolish alike went to sleep. For years now the Church has been sleeping and the oil of the Holy Spirit has burned very low. But today, people are waking up. The Church is trimming her lamps. There are those who have extra oil, a fresh infilling of the Holy Spirit. May you be one who by faith believe and do the Word of God.

Technically the 10 virgins were not the bride but friends of the bride..

.if the bride is the church who is in a covenant with him...then the 10 virgins were not in covenant but yet invited to the wedding...probably by the bride ...

But they all slept..not the bride she was not asleep she was at the wedding feast...

5 were wise 5 were foolish...and brought extra oil for lamps because they knew it could be a long wait...the foolish did not prepare for the long tarry..so they left to go bye more....they made a mistake in not continuing to wait and should not have left the party to go bye more oil....so they missed their chance of their invitations...because the door was no longer open to enter into the wedding feast

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
Technically the 10 virgins were not the bride but friends of the bride..

.if the bride is the church who is in a covenant with him...then the 10 virgins were not in covenant but yet invited to the wedding...probably by the bride ...

But they all slept..not the bride she was at the wedding feast...5 were wise 5 were foolish...and brought extra oil for lamps because they new it could be a long wait...the foolish did not prepare for the long tarry..so they left to go bye more....they made a mistake in not continuing to wait and should not have left the party to go bye more oil....so they missed their chance of their invitations...because the door was no longer open to enter into the wedding feast

I guess you can interpret it that way. But, in our reality, you can see where a big portion of the Church is asleep, having a form of Godliness only and no power.

2 Timothy 3:
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.(KJV)

I like how the NIV reads.
2 Timothy 3:
3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
I guess you can interpret it that way. But, in our reality, you can see where a big portion of the Church is asleep, having a form of Godliness only and no power.

I'm always leary of people who seek to find fault in the church...but I know you mean well sis...

it's interesting that in the parable you mention that the bride is not mentioned..her condition her anticipation when she is taken her joy etc...

..and it's interesting that the 5 virgins which were ready gave bad advice to the other 5 told then to leave and bye more ...they did not share their light with them...

The parable also suggest 2 different callings... it is assumed that the bride and the 5 virgins left at the same time ,,,when in fact it may be at two different times...that the bride went first....then the call for the virgins second..

.oil represents having light not the holy spirit....it is a strange teachings to say to 5 virgins go and bye the holy spirit...first you cannot bye the holy spirit...and second it's not fair that these who went seeking the Lord's spirit for them to miss it as if they could not find him....yet the bible says seek and you shall find...all one has to do is ask...

The oil in this case represents light...my people perish for lack of knowledge

2 Timothy 3:
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.(KJV)

I like how the NIV reads.
2 Timothy 3:
3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
The oil in this case represents light...my people perish for lack of knowledge

So are you saying that light represents knowledge, and knowledge is what the five foolish virgins lack?

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
So are you saying that light represents knowledge, and knowledge is what the five foolish virgins lack?

Yes ...perhaps in those days preaching will be suppressed...

Handmaid for Jesus · Dec 1, 2015

dfw69 said:
Yes ...perhaps in those days preaching will be suppressed...

That is an interesting supposition.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

Jesus taught us let our lights shine and not hide it under the bed...that whatever we learn...tell others holding nothing back...but shout it on the roof tops

Not that I'm gonna get on the roof and preach people will think I'm crazy..but you know what I mean....no secrets

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

We understand there are two resurrection, right!?

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

Visions are nothing to Bragg about..... A lot of times it means we are not listening so he has to project it visually... Not broad brushing all visions by Yahweh but giving some perspective.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
We understand there are two resurrection, right!?

Hello alhart
Two resurrection?

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Will our Father allow you to share this with us?

it began like this- I was in a pure white place which is where I have encountered father everytime I met him but in this time I saw a man on stage who was preaching against the bible and i saw rows of people each having their own seat it looked like four rows in all but that could be just my perspective I was among them I remember my exact seat as well I was the last one on the far left and these people without even touching the bible flipped through it at blazing speed all in one unity one mind and heart and all found the very scripture to prove this man wrong and I cried out in amazement WOW! These people are full of the holy spirit! They were a strange kind of people they weren't angels but they weren't exactly human they were like a new kind of Christian and I could only call them holy people.

Then a door opened and death himself appeared, he didn't say anything but I knew I was to go with him and I almost felt like jumping in his arms because I was so happy to finally go home even though in real life I had yet to have the desire to go home. we went into an elevator with two other men and then when we arrived we came into a pitch black place and i knew it was hell or a type of hell death went to sit at his desk and I asked him when I can go to heaven death responded by saying you can't you have to stay here for eternity. His voice was strange it had no emotion or any kind fo feeling to it but it wasn't cold or evil either.

Also I should mention that I knew I was in the spiritual realm, in the spiritual realm all the thoughts and doubts that go through our minds do not exist we act and speak based upon what is in our hearts not our decisions that we make through our mind in real life. anyways after he said this to me I looked to my right and one of the young man was in extreme suffering and sadness with no hope and I saw his suffering coming out of him like a black smoke and demons were feeding on this smoke

then to my left the other young man had become a very old and malnourished like all life and all health had been sapped from it. as I saw this I said to myself this has to be a test ad so I said to death I think this is a test and he looked up from what he was doing as if I had something right or something interesting and he said what kind of test do you think this is and I said I think it's a test of my love and trust on God then in my zeal I slammed my hand on his desk and cried out I CHOOSE TO TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST then I suddenly was no longer in hell but atop a very high cliff of some kind with a very large body of living water waaaay beneath me and I heard a voice say it's time to take a leap of faith and so I close my eyes and jumped and when I came up from the water I noticed I was completely naked and felt really clean and that is it.

FireHeart · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
Visions are nothing to Bragg about..... A lot of times it means we are not listening so he has to project it visually... Not broad brushing all visions by Yahweh but giving some perspective.

If people brag about the dreams and visions they get then God may very well not allow them to see them anymore. I speak of my dreams and visions not to brag or for any kind of attention or glory but because my heart leads me to speak of them and what these dreams and visions do for people is up to God.

dfw69 · Dec 1, 2015

allhart said:
Visions are nothing to Bragg about..... A lot of times it means we are not listening so he has to project it visually... Not broad brushing all visions by Yahweh but giving some perspective.

I.never had a vision..but I so think it should be used for the purpose of god

allhart · Dec 1, 2015

You guys realize that hasatan or Satan can give dreams...., we are in spiritual warfare.... We have to be bersans n test everything enlight of scripture.... Many will come in my name n decieve many.... How many Christians say they are Christians n I had a vision!? Not saying u but many want to be more

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