Why this Christian GOP member is changing

dogs4thewin said:

I am not out on my own, but I learned it from people who are around me who have and trust me are NOT rich.

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Then until you can speak from experience instead of hearsay, don't bother arguing. Unless you like people laughing at you.

lupusFati said:

Then until you can speak from experience instead of hearsay, don't bother arguing. Unless you like people laughing at you.

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Wow. When do we start applying that rule to the European posters who think they know everything about American politics and non-Christians who think they're experts on everything relating to Christians and Christianity??

Albion said:

Wow. When do we start applying that rule to the European posters who think they know everything about American politics and non-Christians who think they're experts on everything relating to Christians and Christianity??

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I don't think I'm an expert but as I've had more than 20 years experience with Christianity, I feel justified at least holding people accountable for it. Also... to be honest? I've spoken with more non-Christians who know more about the Bible than actual Christians do. Because they study it. As a hobby. In other words, they gained experience with it.

Honestly I'm not sure these comparisons really hold to what I was saying. Maybe the European one. Not so much the non-Christian one. To be fair to European posters, however, American politics is just really messed up in the first place.

lupusFati said:

I don't think I'm an expert but as I've had more than 20 years experience with Christianity, I feel justified at least holding people accountable for it.

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Sure, but my observation was just that--an observation about CF. It wasn't directed at you personally.

Albion said:

Sure, but my observation was just that--an observation about CF. It wasn't directed at you personally.

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Oh no I completely agree no worries. Though if you make that argument you also need to do it the other way, in that Christians think they know more and are experts of non-Christian religions because maybe their pastor or church friend talked about it that one time and that's why they're voting Republican since our nation is and always has been, obviously, a Christian one since the history of forever.

Or something like that. And no I'm not being 100% serious near the end. Maybe a little serious though but I'm in a somewhat good mood today, oddly enough.

lupusFati said:

Oh no I completely agree no worries. Though if you make that argument you also need to do it the other way, in that Christians think they know more and are experts of non-Christian religions because maybe their pastor or church friend talked about it that one time and that's why they're voting Republican since our nation is and always has been, obviously, a Christian one since the history of forever..

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In principle, I agree. In practice, I'm not sure.

For instance, almost all the major denominations are now urging members to see things the DEMOCRATS' way, not the Republican way as you suggested here, and I don't find among Christians a degree of viciousness directed at non-Christian religions as that which comes back at them. But that's my experience, and others are entitled to their own.

Albion said:

In principle, I agree. In practice, I'm not sure.

For instance, almost all the major denominations are now urging members to see things the DEMOCRATS' way, not the Republican way as you suggested here, and I don't find among Christians a degree of viciousness directed at non-Christian religions as that which comes back at them. But that's my experience, and others are entitled to their own.

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Well good on them if they're urging people not to vote for Republicans. They're a horrible party who probably should have died out in the 50's or something. It's 2015. You'd think we'd be past all the bs by now.

As for Christians being vicious at non-Christians, I've been derogatively referred to as simply "pagan" when someone's disagreed with me, in the sense that I must obviously worship satan or some heathen god and dance naked in the moonlight while practicing magic spells, or some other such nonsense. But then, I kind of knew something like that would happen when I adopted the label. Would I change it? Maybe if I had direct control over my faith icon again (why did they remove that control? Seriously?). But it still fits my beliefs in the sense that I don't subscribe to any main religion. I guess it'd be more accurate to say I'm a therianthrope with agnostic views, but because I adopt the spiritual view of therianthropy I didn't feel comfortable as just identifying as 'agnostic' especially when I wasn't sure. Looking up dictionary definitions, I figured pagan was the label that fit at the time. It's not like it's an organized religion, either.

Long story short, just because you can't really see it, it doesn't mean I'm wrong about Christians on this forum being vicious to non-Christians. I see it all the time on here, honestly. Some of those posts are even yours.

lupusFati said:

Well good on them if they're urging people not to vote for Republicans. They're a horrible party who probably should have died out in the 50's or something. It's 2015. You'd think we'd be past all the bs by now.

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I sure am, which is why I'm ending my reading of this post at this point.

Albion said:

I sure am, which is why I'm ending my reading of this post at this point.

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Probably shouldn't have stopped reading. You just proved my point.

dogs4thewin said:

I have by the way read information several times that CLAIM low abuse rates, so in fact I HAVE read.

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I'm still waiting on the citation for these figures.

dogs4thewin said:

The mention of brown people in the post that you quoted.

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Excuse me again LOL but I did NOT mention "brown people" in my post. The post I was making a comment on did mention it but my comments was mostly about those that don't think Liberals can be Christians, too, and those Christians that don't want the sick and poor to get help through the government, etc.

lupusFati said:

Probably shouldn't have stopped reading. You just proved my point.

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Gosh, how people love to say that ("You proved my point") in order to have the last word. It's sort of the modern, text-ish, equivalent of the old "So's your old lady!" Always good for a snicker.

Albion said:

Gosh, how people love to say that ("You proved my point") in order to have the last word. It's sort of the modern, text-ish, equivalent of the old "So's your old lady!" Always good for a snicker.

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Yes but when I say that, I actually mean it wholeheartedly. It's not to have the last word. You literally proved my point. Why else would I say that? I'm not that deceptive; I actually hate lying.

dogs4thewin said:

I said I have read them.

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Care to share? In order to better understand where you are coming from in what you post it would help to read what you have read.

dogs4thewin said:

Idid not say that liberals could NOT be Christians, nor did I say that Conservtives want the poor and/or sick to die.

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One more time LOL Excuse me again? My comments were in response to RedPonyDriver and not you! I was agreeing with him that Republican Christians should not say or imply Liberals are not Christians not that all Republicans do! I never said you said liberals could not be Christians. I think you are confused LOL

lupusFati said:

Yes but when I say that, I actually mean it wholeheartedly. It's not to have the last word. You literally proved my point. Why else would I say that? I'm not that deceptive; I actually hate lying.

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...and I dislike it when people who are carrying on a reasoned discussion think they have to lurch into stereotypes and generalizations. What's the reader to do? Am I supposed, in reply, to methodically work through every meanspirited comment--especially since I doubt that the speaker really and truly can believe half of that stuff himself?

Mary7 said:

Thanks.
Medicare is actually a socialist program as is Social Security. When SS was established back in the 30s the president was called a socialist for starting it and the republican party fought it.. and now they are trying to take it away. I heard a candidate sayin his first year in office one of the first things he will do is to abolish it.

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I have not heard one candidate state that they want to "abolish" Social Security or Medicare. I have heard all of them including the dems of wanting to make changes to the programs as they are not sustainable. So please cite your source with links, otherwise I don't believe this.