Mary conceives

Grafted In · Nov 30, 2015

Tina W said:
Yes it was Mary's egg. That terminology is used in the Bible because back then they had no word for fallopian tube, "womb" meant inside her body. Jesus is the second Adam because Adam was made without sin and Jesus was born without sin. Adam was the only man without sin till Jesus was born, so that made Him the second Adam.

The Holy Ghost would have a word differenciating the uterus with the fallopian tubes. While that was 2000 years ago people weren't turnips. They were aware of the female anatomy. It was His inspiration that brought the writer to use womb.

Just because of the posibility that God provided both the egg and the sperm does not negate the fact that Mary carried Him in her womb 9 months and gave birth to our Savior Jesus Christ.
It's been pointed out to me that Jesus had to be of the priestly lineage by both mother and father. Wasn't Joseph in that position only due to adoption?
Another thing to consider is how could Mary give birth to a son who was without the sin nature when she, herself was a sinner? This thinking led to the doctrine that she must have been born without the sin nature and lived her entire life sinless, something I think most Christians would refute.
If that was true what was the need for the cross?
I think it is well within the posibility that God placed a new creation, a human in the form of an embryo into Mary's womb, with, of course He Himself as well.

timewerx · Dec 1, 2015

Grafted In said:
Another thing to consider is how could Mary give birth to a son who was without the sin nature when she, herself was a sinner? This thinking led to the doctrine that she must have been born without the sin nature and lived her entire life sinless, something I think most Christians would refute.

Biologically-speaking, if this was a natural virgin birth, Christ would then a female clone of Mary.

Science seem to support if Christ had been distinctly different, his/her mother would likewise be of similar nature.

Non canon Gospels seem to bring more sound logic in the case than popular doctrines which are completely out of science in the matter of virgin Birth.

Like Mary Magdalene who's equally distinct as Christ. In the GOM, she was the beloved disciple. Uncanny circumstances paint a large possibility, Mary Magdalene maybe Christ's daughter - also through virgin birth through a female Christ.

Much of what we read about Christ in the Bible maybe cover-up of an early ministry where she appeared as a woman preacher, also named as "Mary" and then she gave birth to a daughter by virgin conception. When she narrowly escaped being stoned to death by an angry mob accusing her of adultery by conceiving without a father, she later disguised herself as a man to escape further persecution. She also disguised her daughter as a man who became "John". Pretty soon, she'll be back in a form nobody will recognize and once again, will be recognized as the enemy even by many Christians. The fact is that she never left, she has always been with "John".

Grafted In · Dec 1, 2015

timewerx said:
Biologically-speaking, if this was a natural virgin birth, Christ would then a female clone of Mary.

Science seem to support if Christ had been distinctly different, his/her mother would likewise be of similar nature.

Non canon Gospels seem to bring more sound logic in the case than popular doctrines which are completely out of science in the matter of virgin Birth.

Like Mary Magdalene who's equally distinct as Christ. In the GOM, she was the beloved disciple. Uncanny circumstances paint a large possibility, Mary Magdalene maybe Christ's daughter - also through virgin birth through a female Christ.

Much of what we read about Christ in the Bible maybe cover-up of an early ministry where she appeared as a woman preacher, also named as "Mary" and then she gave birth to a daughter by virgin conception. When she narrowly escaped being stoned to death by an angry mob accusing her of adultery by conceiving without a father, she later disguised herself as a man to escape further persecution. She also disguised her daughter as a man who became "John". Pretty soon, she'll be back in a form nobody will recognize and once again, will be recognized as the enemy even by many Christians. The fact is that she never left, she has always been with "John".

Waaaaay over my head!!!

TrevorL · Dec 1, 2015

Greetings Tina W and greetings again Grafted In,

Tina W said:
Jesus is the second Adam because Adam was made without sin and Jesus was born without sin. Adam was the only man without sin till Jesus was born, so that made Him the second Adam.

Grafted In said:
Another thing to consider is how could Mary give birth to a son who was without the sin nature when she, herself was a sinner? This thinking led to the doctrine that she must have been born without the sin nature and lived her entire life sinless, something I think most Christians would refute.

I believe that Jesus inherited the sin nature through Mary his mother. He came to overcome the sin nature, and this he accomplished through faith and trust in God his Father. Because of God’s love and fellowship with His Son, and the fact that he never sinned, the sentence of death upon Adam and his descendants because of sin was broken and reversed in him and the grave could not hold him.

Kind regards
Trevor

timewerx · Dec 2, 2015

Grafted In said:
Waaaaay over my head!!!

Not even close!

If you want to know something really cool, read John Chapter 6 and maybe read it again and again and again...

You'll notice that Christ sent a boat full of disciples into hyperspeed----instantly traversed miles across a lake!

I'm just saying, if gender is irrelevant for the manifestation of the Messiah, why choose male which would require pulling off a miracle since the odds of having a female via virgin birth is stacked against you? And why even pull off a miracle that no one has any idea about? - the impossibility of having a male via virgin birth, even today in the 21st century, almost no one has any idea what I'm talking about save for biology science savvy persons. Most Christians would just regard the virgin birth a miracle and don't care about anything else, the logic behind it. We could be missing some truths in this manner.

Tina W · Dec 2, 2015

timewerx said:
Biologically-speaking, if this was a natural virgin birth, Christ would then a female clone of Mary.

Science seem to support if Christ had been distinctly different, his/her mother would likewise be of similar nature.

Non canon Gospels seem to bring more sound logic in the case than popular doctrines which are completely out of science in the matter of virgin Birth.

Like Mary Magdalene who's equally distinct as Christ. In the GOM, she was the beloved disciple. Uncanny circumstances paint a large possibility, Mary Magdalene maybe Christ's daughter - also through virgin birth through a female Christ.

Much of what we read about Christ in the Bible maybe cover-up of an early ministry where she appeared as a woman preacher, also named as "Mary" and then she gave birth to a daughter by virgin conception. When she narrowly escaped being stoned to death by an angry mob accusing her of adultery by conceiving without a father, she later disguised herself as a man to escape further persecution. She also disguised her daughter as a man who became "John". Pretty soon, she'll be back in a form nobody will recognize and once again, will be recognized as the enemy even by many Christians. The fact is that she never left, she has always been with "John".

I don't know where you got that stuff from. That's some far off non-Christian stuff.

St Faustina · Dec 27, 2015

Jesus is the "new Adam" and Mary is the "new Eve". Mary is the first christian and the Ark of the New Covenant.

thecolorsblend · Dec 27, 2015

timewerx said:
Given that the Holy Spirit is feminine or at least sexless but the Egg of a woman is pure female chromosomes.

This means that Jesus Christ is a female. In non-canon Gospels, Jesus made Mary disguise as a man. What if Christ did the same thing??

Let me get this straight. You seem to believe that God is capable of initiating pregnancy within a virgin. That much was apparently a piece of cake for him.

But somehow it's impossible for Him to have created the necessary chromosomes to ensure that it was a male baby was conceived?

And you base all of this on the unsubstantiated claim that the Holy Spirit is either feminine or "sexless"?

That some exegesis you've got going there.

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