Discussion Jesus' sacred blood, what is in it?

What is in Jesus' sacred blood?

  • The concept of victory over sin.

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • The wonder working power over sin.

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • There is Spirit, when comes the blood.

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • There is sinless blood, glorified.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    4
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Good day, to we who are charismatic Christians, what is in Jesus' sacred blood? The others think it was sinless blood... but was there more to Jesus' blood than the physical. Sacramentaly the blood is not such a deep concept.
But how much blood of Jesus is there?
Is it from God the Father? Does it really work wonders?
Is it Spirit?
Does it really hold the victory over sin?
Can it wash sin away and justify?
Can it protect us?
Must it be actual and local?
Does it build upon and fulfil the old testament blood of the lamb?
Can we drink His blood?
Is there a part of it that is of God?
Or is it a created and glorified thing only?
 

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In His Blood is LIFE.

Not animal life as was shed in the OT.

Without the shedding of blood there is no remissio0n of sin.

Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. KJV

The reason?

The life of the flesh is in the blood.

Lev 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood : and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. KJV

The Life Jesus had was the Life of God which is the light of men.

John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. KJV

His blood which is the life of His Body was shed for us.
 
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Since Jesus was fully God and fully man, I do not think that there was anything special in Jesus blood until the crucifiction when His life ended and He was sinless. That's why I believe that He said 'it is done' and then when the sins of the world were cast upon Him He said 'why have you forsaken me' because when He took our sin was the first time He was ever separated from the Father because of our sin.

I do believe their is something special about blood in particular. I think the Word has made that evident as @Optimax has shared in his post above.
 
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In the blood, as you allude to with, it is finished, there is victory over the power of sin, to remove it and not just atone or cover it up.
Agreed.

But how does that relate back to your poll and the four answers you have there? It seems to me when I read the options that you were saying there was something special or different about Christ's blood all along, so I'm not getting your answer in reference to what I said, because I stated that I didn't believe that there was anything different in His blood, per se until after He died sinless at crucifiction. So I am confused.
 
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Agreed.

But how does that relate back to your poll and the four answers you have there? It seems to me when I read the options that you were saying there was something special or different about Christ's blood all along, so I'm not getting your answer in reference to what I said, because I stated that I didn't believe that there was anything different in His blood, per se until after He died sinless at crucifiction. So I am confused.

Your poll said 'What is in Christ's blood' like something was in His blood all along or something. I don't understand the word 'in' in there.
 
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Yes, it has wonder working power. And I think it comes from Jesus' Father in part, like ours from our natural fathers. And like Jesus' body and human spirit is one thing with the incarnate Holy One, the second person of the Trinity, so is Jesus' blood. That must be how Jesus was able to lead a sinless life and overcome on the cross. So when we ask, the power is not simply from above and upon us, but can be in us and change us from inside, as compatible and from one of our race.

I think the angels food was the bread of life, and now there is the body of Christ, broken for us. We can eat the bread of life. It is actual and local, like living water or anointing, there is Spirit, to strengthen us.
 
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I think that in the Holy One, in whose image and likeness we are made, is for want of a better word an original and corresponding "part" to blood. I suspect the human spirit out of the body may have a corresponding part to blood.
 
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Yes, it has wonder working power. And I think it comes from Jesus' Father in part, like ours from our natural fathers. And like Jesus' body and human spirit is one thing with the incarnate Holy One, the second person of the Trinity, so is Jesus' blood. That must be how Jesus was able to lead a sinless life and overcome on the cross. So when we ask, the power is not simply from above and upon us, but can be in us and change us from inside, as compatible and from one of our race.

I think the angels food was the bread of life, and now there is the body of Christ, broken for us. We can eat the bread of life. It is actual and local, like living water or anointing, there is Spirit, to strengthen us.

So you do not think that 'if Jesus blood was from the Holy One' than how do you feel that Jesus was 100% man? Just curious. Because Jesus could have sinned if He would not have always obeyed the Father, so where did the human piece fit in? Was he like a hybrid or something in your view? Because the Bible doesn't say that.

That's why I didn't answer your poll. I didn't find an answer that I agreed with.
 
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I believe Jesus was fully man, in having a human spirit, soul and body, and the incarnation of the Holy One, the second person of the Trinity. Fully God, fully man. Jesus was tested, tempted with hunger, question of scripture and worship. Body, soul and spirit. He was free and sinless before during and after. It is not explained how as the Christ and the Holy One, that he was free and overcame, the nature of the union is worth pondering. It would have been much about love and union. And so much was according to Philippians was temporarily given up to be a humble servant. No flashes of lightning... But there was and is the hypostatic union.
 
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So you do not think that 'if Jesus blood was from the Holy One' than how do you feel that Jesus was 100% man? Just curious. Because Jesus could have sinned if He would not have always obeyed the Father, so where did the human piece fit in? Was he like a hybrid or something in your view? Because the Bible doesn't say that.

That's why I didn't answer your poll. I didn't find an answer that I agreed with.
How would you have worded the poll?
 
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How would you have worded the poll?
I probably would have just had two answers.

Do you believe that Jesus blood was special and different from ours or just plain human blood?

xx blood just like ours
xx super human or different from ours


Something like that
 
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If we look at living water, I think of it as the Holy Spirit extended to us, an infinite resource for God is unlimited. Like light and love, anointing oil, fire of God... Jesus spoke of this to the woman at the well in Samaria. And after Jesus was glorified, it became available. A river not just a cup. The idea of something that can baptise a person and lift them up and saturate them. Wash burdens away. We drink water for life. Our bodies are made of water. Our blood is mostly water. Is it a basic constituent of God, or God creatively making his presence look like water, and making it cool and refreshing? God on the inside makes changes in us.

Perhaps Jesus blood was from living water, as a constituent.

There are two ways of looking at Jesus' sacred blood.
It was human, his life was in it. It was sinless, somehow overcame sin, and contains power over sin, and has been miraculously made into an infinite non material resource.

Some may think the above is far fetched.

Then going the other way.
Jesus' sacred blood was the blood of God the son, powerful. An infinite resource by nature, that took and overcame the power of sin. Containing Godliness and the power to make sons and daughters.

As an aside. I am persuaded that from a near death experience, a man described God as not being made in our image an likeness, for want of a better word than made. And still he could see, he was made in God's image and likeness.

I know that in the early fathers it was concluded that God is not anthropomorphic, but going according to Moses on Sinai and not Genesis, Moses saw the worship of God in Heaven and saw God's back from the cleft of the rock. It is the basis of Judaism and Christianity. Over and above Samaritan worship...

If there is the hand of God, face of God, footstool and arm, breath, nostrils... even in an anthropomorphic state there must also be blood.

Back to the blood of Jesus.
It could be that Jesus' blood was both human and divine, in a hypostatic union. How can we separate Jesus' humanity from the divine?

Jesus' blood cleanses us from sin, justifies us and our thoughts change to just, cleans our hearts, mends wounds in the heart, warms us into the God kind of love from within, overcomes the power of unclean spirits, and makes us acceptable to enter the throne room of God the Father. Can human blood alone do this even if glorified?
 
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The life in Jesus, was it from eternity past?
In His Blood is LIFE.

Not animal life as was shed in the OT.

Without the shedding of blood there is no remissio0n of sin.

Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. KJV

The reason?

The life of the flesh is in the blood.

Lev 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood : and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. KJV

The Life Jesus had was the Life of God which is the light of men.

John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. KJV

His blood which is the life of His Body was shed for us.
The LIFE in Jesus, was it from eternity past?
 
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Good day, to we who are charismatic Christians, what is in Jesus' sacred blood? The others think it was sinless blood... but was there more to Jesus' blood than the physical. Sacramentaly the blood is not such a deep concept.
But how much blood of Jesus is there?
Is it from God the Father? Does it really work wonders?
Is it Spirit?
Does it really hold the victory over sin?
Can it wash sin away and justify?
Can it protect us?
Must it be actual and local?
Does it build upon and fulfil the old testament blood of the lamb?
Can we drink His blood?
Is there a part of it that is of God?
Or is it a created and glorified thing only?


Its irrelevant to discuss what was "in" His blood, really. All that is needed is that His blood was sinless. And that it was shed for us.
It DOES hold the victory over sin and cleanses us from ALL sin, yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's.

It DOES fulfill the OT blood of the Paschal Lamb
We do drink His blood symbolically, when we drink the wine. Not literally.

Its not part of it that is of God it is all God. Remember that Jesus is fully God and fully man
 
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Its irrelevant to discuss what was "in" His blood, really. All that is needed is that His blood was sinless. And that it was shed for us.
It DOES hold the victory over sin and cleanses us from ALL sin, yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's.

It DOES fulfill the OT blood of the Paschal Lamb
We do drink His blood symbolically, when we drink the wine. Not literally.

Its not part of it that is of God it is all God. Remember that Jesus is fully God and fully man
Traditionally we need to have correct Christology to have saving faith in Christ and receive Christ. If people think Jesus was a demi-god, or an angel, then they may miss out of saving faith. Many posters here emphasize Jesus blood as sinless human blood. But one of them is a cessationsist. One other is PAOG. To receive, we need true faith.

Some Christians think there is no need to receive Jesus' sacred blood at all. It just happened so it is automatic, in their view.

Some posters have said, God is not anthropomorphic, and has no blood, coming from early church teachings.
 
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