Chimney burglar dies when homeowner lights up fireplace

Cerberus~Infinite said:

The chimney was a uniquely stupid way of going about it. Just from a criminal perspective.

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I imagine the guy was mentally ill.

Douger said:

This is a really awful thing to happen, both for the dead man and of course the family whose house this happened in. Lord have mercy on everyone involved.


I'm sorry but that's pretty gross.

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People who mean no harm to people don't enter people's homes through the chimney. Or attempt to, as in this case.
Yes, it's pretty gross but it's a chimney in the autumn! A family has a right to start a fire in their fireplace in the autumn if they wish. A burglar doesn't have the right to try to get into their home through the chimney when decent people use doors because they're invited to the home.

Bad way to go.

His choice.

I cannot believe the sheer callousness shown by some Christians. They are basically saying that not only did he deserve to die for his attempted crime, but the slow and torturous agony he went through was well warranted.

Good grief!!! Are you so committed to vengeance and punishment that you lose all sense of humanity?

Wow!

Whats most troubling about the story is how many (I'd say like 90%) of people are find with him dying. They think he deserved it. Some even think it was funny. People make assumptions like "What if killed the home owners!", What if he stole stuff from the home owners?"...etc. Ok, well thats great and all but what if he didn't do any of those things? Do you know his motives? He could have been someone who was starving and was sneaking in food (yes robbery but starving isn't a crime). Or maybe it was a kid who was dared to sneak down someones chimney. Maybe he was mentally ill and decided just to go down it. We won't know now. I mean yes, odds are he was there to rob the place. BUT we don't know for sure.

People are quickly finding him guilty even though he never made it past the chimney. So quick to judge. What if you you were at a outdoor event and (as a guy) you were walking with a crowd and your hand accidently hit a womans butt. And you know it was an accident, but the husband pulls out a gun shoots you because he says "How dare you try to sexually assault my wife!". Would you agree that was an ok judgement call? If you say no then your a hypocrite. Need I remind people "Treat others as you would want to be treated". I don't believe in karma since its not a christian concept. But I do believe alot of times you end up getting the same thing you do to others.

Now if the guy had made it down the chimney and was in the middle of robbing the place then obviously I'd say he should have been attacked. Though I'd prefer to shoot him in the leg so the cops can arrest him, rather then me having to take someones life if I don't have to. But going down a chimney is not a crime in which you are found guilty and sentenced to death. You just get arrested and are put behind bars. Even in countries with harsh laws like Saudi Arabia, you get your hands cut off. Yet americans are like "Just kill the person.". Now we know why foreigners think we are gun nuts who love violence.

Again, we don't know his motives either way since he didn't get very far. So he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Though I do wonder if the homeowners heard him maybe asking for help and lit the fire on purpose to kill him. In that case they should be in jail for manslaughter. Unless of course maybe has mentally ill and didn't scream for help because he, well, was mentally ill. I like to remember I have to answer to God for my actions. Taking a persons life, especially in such a gruesome way is something I would not want to do. Yes, I'd kill to protect my family. But only as a last resort. You can injure someone and have them arrested. What good is america if we resort to what other countries do and kill whomever for whatever reason we see fit?

My Shalom said:

It's a better idea to not be a thief.

And to correct what is clearly unknown about the Santa myth, Santa didn't steal. He delivered gifts by way of the chimney.

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Jesus said, the thief (who steals sheep) does not come by the front door. That would make Santa a thief also, for stealing people's hearts with his deception of gift giving...

Oafman said:

Did the guy have kids? Did they just lose their father? How about his mum? I don't suppose she has stopped crying yet. She'll probably grieve for years, as mothers do.

I cannot begin to comprehend your nonchalance at a man's death. He made a big mistake when he decided to commit burglary, but to suggest he deserved death for this mistake is completely immoral, by any reasonable understanding of morality.

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Burglary is not a mistake, it is a decision.

You reap what you sow. Yes there are unexpected consequences with every bad action you make. Sadly, this man got his surprise

TheBear said:

I cannot believe the sheer callousness shown by some Christians. They are basically saying that not only did he deserve to die for his attempted crime, but the slow and torturous agony he went through was well warranted.

Good grief!!! Are you so committed to vengeance and punishment that you lose all sense of humanity?

Wow!

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No it is called you reap what you sow. Something liberal-minded individuals do not understand. You face the consequences for your actions and this includes unexpected consequences.

Of course, it is convenient for non-believers to make this about "uncompassionate Christians" in order to score some silly points against Christianity "again", when in reality the burglar disregarded his own life from the beginning. Society would be alot better if people were to quit defending criminals and making excuses for them.

Douger said:

This is a really awful thing to happen, both for the dead man and of course the family whose house this happened in. Lord have mercy on everyone involved.


I'm sorry but that's pretty gross.

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Not gross at all. It is called the ugly truth. The naive defence of criminals is what is wrong with our society

AntoineL said:

Burglary is not a mistake, it is a decision.

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Yeah, a bad decision. Which is something commonly described as a mistake.

Enough semantics. The point here is that a man lost his life when he didn't deserve to. If you believe he deserved his fate, then do you also believe that, had he been captured alive, he should have been executed?

Oafman said:

Yeah, a bad decision. Which is something commonly described as a mistake.

Enough semantics. The point here is that a man lost his life when he didn't deserve to. If you believe he deserved his fate, then do you also believe that, had he been captured alive, he should have been executed?

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Not actually a mistake. Society has begun to call decisions "mistakes" to rationalize and feel better about what people do.

Anyways this man reaped what he sowed. There is something called consequences and responsibility.

AntoineL said:

No it is called you reap what you sow. Something liberal-minded individuals do not understand. You face the consequences for your actions and this includes unexpected consequences.

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Amazing.

TheBear said:

Amazing.

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What is amazing is the lack of wisdom and naivety among some of you.

AntoineL said:

Not actually a mistake. Society has begun to call decisions "mistakes" to rationalize and feel better about what people do.

Anyways this man reaped what he sowed. There is something called consequences and responsibility.

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You avoided my question. Had he been captured alive in the process of robbing the house, do you believe he should have been executed?

Oafman said:

You avoided my question. Had he been captured alive in the process of robbing the house, do you believe he should have been executed?

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You shifted into an entirely different subject. The question is pointless

AntoineL said:

Burglary is not a mistake, it is a decision.

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If no fire was lit, and instead the burglar was caught by the police while stuck inside the chimney, should the judge sentence him to death by burning him alive?

TheBear said:

If no fire was lit, and instead the burglar was caught by the police while stuck inside the chimney, should the judge sentence him to death by burning him alive?

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Again entirely different subject. You folks are trying to dodge and deflect the harsh reality of this man's demise on his own hands.