Time is right for US, NATO to drop Turkey

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
Politically, he is Syria. He is the lawfully elected President and he is the commander in chief of their armed forces and he represents the majority of the people. It's the same as Erdogan is to Turkey.

Nonsense. He was never lawfully elected in the sense that the majority actually voted for him. Most Sunnis and Kurds had no access to the polls. Neither did the bulk of the 2.5 million refugees at the time have the opportunity. Nor was there any independent election monitoring. Those who were allowed to run against Assad were picked by the government out of 25 applicants. Far from representing the majority of people, Assad represents the Alawist and a few other minorities including the Christians. There is no way he got ten million votes without ballot stuffing. As for Erdogan, much as I dislike him, I have no evidence his election was fixed.

PatrickT · Nov 29, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
Well, how you define a "valuable nation" really won't matter to me. I have Christian morality/values and your worldview is definitely against God.

As for Armenia - why are you bringing up Armenia? What does Armenia have to do with this? Or is it just a shot you wanted to take at me because I'm Armenian?

because your comments are fueled by your heritage.

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

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SoldierOfTheKing · Nov 29, 2015

smaneck said:
I don't consider Assad Syria.

Nonetheless, Assad is the internationally recognized leader of Syria.

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Nonetheless, Assad is the internationally recognized leader of Syria.

Actually, no. Neither the US or the European Union recognized the legitimacy of this election. Even the Secretary-General of the UN denounced it.

SoldierOfTheKing · Nov 29, 2015

What do elections have to with anything? A government doesn't have to elected to be legitimate. Syria has a legally recognized government, and it is led by Assad. Who do you think the legal government of Syria is?

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

SoldierOfTheKing said:
What do elections have to with anything? A government doesn't have to elected to be legitimate.

True, but the government has to be elected before it can legitimately claim to represent the people.

Syria has a legally recognized government, and it is led by Assad. Who do you think the legal government of Syria is?

Right now Syria is a failed state with no legitimate government.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2015

PatrickT said:
because your comments are fueled by your heritage.

Show how my comments are fueled by my Armenian heritage. If anything, they are fueled more by my American and Christian heritage.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2015

smaneck said:
Your antagonism towards Turks extends beyond the government.

Where do you see that? Another baseless accusation from an Armenian-hater and genocide-denier.

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
Where do you see that? Another baseless accusation from an Armenian-hater and genocide-denier.

I have no hatred towards Armenians nor do I deny the Armenian genocide. I just think what happened was a more complicated than what you want to believe. But I think your reaction here proves my point.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2015

smaneck said:
Nonsense. He was never lawfully elected in the sense that the majority actually voted for him. Most Sunnis and Kurds had no access to the polls. Neither did the bulk of the 2.5 million refugees at the time have the opportunity. Nor was there any independent election monitoring. Those who were allowed to run against Assad were picked by the government out of 25 applicants. Far from representing the majority of people, Assad represents the Alawist and a few other minorities including the Christians. There is no way he got ten million votes without ballot stuffing. As for Erdogan, much as I dislike him, I have no evidence his election was fixed.

Nonsense. You have no evidence of how Assad was elected; you only have propaganda spread by those with anti-Assad agendas. As for Erdogan, I never said his election was fixed. Nonetheless, he is guilty of attacking and killing his own constituents and jailing and killing those in opposition to him. This appears to be common to Erdogan, Assad, and Putin. The problem is that Erdogan is accepted as a choir boy by the West although he is the only one of those three dictators who is helping ISIS instead of fighting against them. Not to mention all of Erdogan's human rights violations against journalists and other dissenters or those not nationalistic enough for him and his racist party.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 29, 2015

smaneck said:
I have no hatred towards Armenians nor do I deny the Armenian genocide. I just think what happened was a more complicated than what you want to believe. But I think your reaction here proves my point.

I've seen you deny the Armenian genocide on these forums and do it again when I challenged you on it. Now you are changing your tune? Why?

You've also made evident your disdain for Armenians with your ridiculous, racist, stereotyping remarks about us. Your comment at the end of your post proves my point.

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
I've seen you deny the Armenian genocide on these forums and do it again when I challenged you on it. Now you are changing your tune? Why?

No, I did not deny it. I merely pointed out the fact it was more complicated than you seemed to believe and you went ballistic.

You've also made evident your disdain for Armenians with your ridiculous, racist, stereotyping remarks about us. Your comment at the end of your post proves my point.

You are loosing it, John.

SoldierOfTheKing · Nov 29, 2015

smaneck said:
Right now Syria is a failed state with no legitimate government.

At what point did the Syrian government cease to be legitimate, and by what authority was it declared legitimate?

smaneck · Nov 29, 2015

SoldierOfTheKing said:
At what point did the Syrian government cease to be legitimate, and by what authority was it declared legitimate?

When it ceased to control the country. By what authority was it ever declared legitimate? Every state decides on its own whether to recognize the legitimacy of another government. In the case of Syria, seventeen countries, including three permanent members of the UN Security Council have recognized the opposition coalition, the Syrian National Council as the legitimate government of Syria. I might add that Turkey is among those nations.

smaneck · Nov 30, 2015

ArmenianJohn said:
Nonsense. You have no evidence of how Assad was elected; you only have propaganda spread by those with anti-Assad agendas.

I certainly have better evidence than you do in your assertion that he was elected fairly and freely. As the Secretary-General of the UN stated you can't hold free and fair elections in the middle of a Civil War.

As for Erdogan, I never said his election was fixed.

I'm just pointing out that this is the difference between Assad and Erdogan.

The problem is that Erdogan is accepted as a choir boy

A choir boy? Not hardly. Most viewed him as a laughing stock.

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PatrickT · Nov 30, 2015

Chancellor Merkel tries to negotiate between Putin and Erdogan now. Its said she spoke with both and tries to negotiate between them.

SoldierOfTheKing · Nov 30, 2015

smaneck said:
When it ceased to control the country.

It still controls the majority of the country. More than half of Syria's population lives it the government controlled areas.

smaneck said:
In the case of Syria, seventeen countries, including three permanent members of the UN Security Council have recognized the opposition coalition, the Syrian National Council as the legitimate government of Syria.

Was the Syrian National Council ever elected to power? Does it even have any control over what goes on in Syria? From what I read in the Wikipedia, it seems to be composed of associated Syrian dissidents that met up in Istanbul just decided to proclaim themselves a government. What support it has internationally seems to be based on little more than wishful thinking.

FanthatSpark · Dec 6, 2015

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Was the Syrian National Council ever elected to power? Does it even have any control over what goes on in Syria? From what I read in the Wikipedia, it seems to be composed of associated Syrian dissidents that met up in Istanbul just decided to proclaim themselves a government. What support it has internationally seems to be based on little more than wishful thinking.

I may be spewing flatulence of script here ^_^

and if I am a quick straitening is expected, like what I posted stinks ^_^

. However, American foreign policy reps are not elected ,right? They do not answer to the elected government here, right? International & Domestic law are two separate animals here in this country , right? If correct over here then above quote answers self right?

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