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One is Jewish if they are born of a Jewish mother or convert. You get your tribe status, however, from your father. If your father has no tribe status, you have no tribe status...

Yes...although I believe that in Jesus case Mary father could give him tribal status..since his true father was hashem...and his adopted father was Joseph..





There is no precedent for adoption conveying tribe status. If it did, one could become a Priest by being adopted by one. This is not the case, as one must be a male line descendant of Aaron to be a priest. You cannot become one no matter the means you use.
then what is the melchidek priesthood ?

esus actually is outside of the male line descent from David through Solomon and is, thus, disqualified from sitting on the throne.
Not if hashem imputed tribal status through Mary's father....which I believe hashem has ...thus heir to the throne of David
 
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Paul spoke of the man of sin sitting in.the temple of God

Yes, but that is a life person not an idol. And that text says nothing about the 144,000. It looks like you have put together some very different things.

....Maccabean revolt against the Assyrian had already took place....

The Maccabean revolt was against the Seleucids, one of the Hellenistic Kingdoms formed in the wake of Alexander the Great's conquests. The Assyrians were nearly four hundred years before that.

Paul was referring to a future event that will proceed before Jesus would return

Most scholars think it was a reference to Caligula.

Your saying that the Palestines will be seen as Israel and given their portion of the lands divided when messiah comes?...that the Muslims will convert back to Judaism and the war will end as a sign ?

I'm not predicting the future, I'm just saying that the Palestinians likely have more of the DNA of the survivors of the Northern Kingdom than anyone else. And no, I don't see them converting to Judaism. But wouldn't it be a fulfillment of the Messianic hope if they all acknowledged they worshiped the same God and lived together in the same land in peace?
 
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Yes...although I believe that in Jesus case Mary father could give him tribal status..since his true father was hashem...and his adopted father was Joseph..

Your grandfather could not give you tribe status. That is not consistent with the Torah.



then what is the melchidek priesthood ?
It is not the priests of the Temple that come through Aaron. There was no official "Melchizedek priesthood".
Not if hashem imputed tribal status through Mary's father....which I believe hashem has ...thus heir to the throne of David

I'm aware Christians claim all kinds of special things to make Jesus valid. The sacrifice was the wrong animal, not in the right place, not carried out properly but that doesn't matter because special. I am unconvinced.
 
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Yes...although I believe that in Jesus case Mary father could give him tribal status..since his true father was hashem...and his adopted father was Joseph..

Evidence of adoption?

then what is the melchidek priesthood ?

There is no mention of a Melchizadek priesthood in the Tanakh, only a priest named Melchizadek. The reference to a priesthood is from the New Testament, specifically Hebrews.

Not if hashem imputed tribal status through Mary's father....which I believe hashem has

Any evidence for this?
 
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Let's take Jesus for starters. He would be wrong. Let's take the Jews being wrong. He would be wrong. What the Quran says about the future would be wrong. I mean, that's a lot of wrong.

Uh, do you know what the Qur'an says about the future?
 
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Your grandfather could not give you tribe status. That is not consistent with the Torah.

Your saying hashem cannot ?




It is not the priests of the Temple that come through Aaron. There was no official "Melchizedek priesthood".

So Abraham did not give tithes to the priesthood of melchizedek? Which was before Aaron priesthood?


I'm aware Christians claim all kinds of special things to make Jesus valid. The sacrifice was the wrong animal, not in the right place, not carried out properly but that doesn't matter because special. I am unconvinced.

Wrong animal? The sacrificial lamb is the wrong animal to forgive sin?

What was not in the right place loammi?

Not carried out properly what do you mean?[/QUOTE]
 
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Your saying hashem cannot ?
It has nothing to do with can or cannot. I suppose the rules could be changed, but there's no reason for me to believe they were changed.



So Abraham did not give tithes to the priesthood of melchizedek? Which was before Aaron priesthood?
He gave part of the spoils to the priest Melchizedek, a person with that name. But that man was not a priest of Israel that would serve at the Temple. Point of fact, he would not have been able to do so.


Wrong animal? The sacrificial lamb is the wrong animal to forgive sin?
A human is not a lamb or a goat or a bird or grain.
What was not in the right place loammi?
The Temple is the only place sacrifices were made and the only place valid.
Not carried out properly what do you mean?
Nailed to a piece of wood is not a valid way to sacrifice.
 
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Pretty sure it isn't "The Jews were right, we need to go learn from them".

But it is this:

"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

Of course, that refers to what we should do in the present not the future.
 
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Yes, but that is a life person not an idol. And that text says nothing about the 144,000. It looks like you have put together some very different things.


We know the man of sin known as the beast and final antichrist will place and idol in the temple and established his seal upon the Jews...and God will seal 144000 Jews to counter it



The Maccabean revolt was against the Seleucids, one of the Hellenistic Kingdoms formed in the wake of Alexander the Great's conquests. The Assyrians were nearly four hundred years before that.
....my bad I was referring to Antiochus the type of the future antichrist



Most scholars think it was a reference to Caligula.

No it's still future ...it takes place before the return of the true messiah of the world



I'm not predicting the future, I'm just saying that the Palestinians likely have more of the DNA of the survivors of the Northern Kingdom than anyone else. And no, I don't see them converting to Judaism. But wouldn't it be a fulfillment of the Messianic hope if they all acknowledged they worshiped the same God and lived together in the same land in peace?

That would be awesome....perhaps many will see it as a sign ...but no imo
 
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Evidence of adoption?

Lol...well he did not cast him and his mother off but raised him up in his household...that constitutes adoption



There is no mention of a Melchizadek priesthood in the Tanakh, only a priest named Melchizadek. The reference to a priesthood is from the New Testament, specifically Hebrews.

Yeah ? Well a lot of details don't exist in the bible...if Abraham gave tithes to this priest he must have been important to bad not much is said of him



Any evidence for this?

Yes in the new testament...the witness of those that say Jesus is the son of David
 
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It is your's to prove that He did.

There is nothing that hashem cannot do...besides sin



No, he gave a tithe to a priest named Mechizadek. No mention of a priesthood.

Goes without saying..if he's a priest then he must have a priesthood ...:)
 
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Lol...well he did not cast him and his mother off but raised him up in his household...that constitutes adoption

How does that constitute adoption? In the Roman Empire you adopted someone when you made them your heir. There is no evidence Joseph did that.

Yeah ? Well a lot of details don't exist in the bible...if Abraham gave tithes to this priest he must have been important to bad not much is said of him

Yes, I assume he was important. We can't assume from the text that there was a priesthood named after him.

Yes in the new testament...the witness of those that say Jesus is the son of David

That doesn't tell us that God had given him a tribal status.
 
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There is nothing that hashem cannot do...besides sin

We aren't talking about what He can do, I'm asking for evidence for what you say He did do.

Goes without saying..if he's a priest then he must have a priesthood ...:)

Certainly not evidence for an Order named after him.
 
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It has nothing to do with can or cannot. I suppose the rules could be changed, but there's no reason for me to believe they were changed.

Only that hashem wants you to know where your salvation lies...




He gave part of the spoils to the priest Melchizedek, a person with that name. But that man was not a priest of Israel that would serve at the Temple. Point of fact, he would not have been able to do so.

Well this is the creation of the new temple the one of Ezekiel yet to come under a new covenant...



A human is not a lamb or a goat or a bird or grain.

I understand that but it's a life ...a life for a life

The Temple is the only place sacrifices were made and the only place valid.

Able sacrifice outside the temple and it was valid

Nailed to a piece of wood is not a valid way to sacrifice.

A serpent was nailed to a stick and lifted up by Moses and it healed Israel
 
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