~Anastasia~
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I'm interested in the nuances here as well.
I've heard some priests get upset that the idea of sacrifice, atonement, propitiation, etc. are denied by the faithful, in a reaction against PSA.
I'm trying to get into the fine details myself, because Scripture DOES say those things. And I don't have my reading to hand, but iirc, doesn't the early Church affirm blood sacrifice, for example? But what she absolutely never said, and what we deny from PSA, is the concept of an ANGRY God, who won't be satisfied until He has inflicted pain on SOME, thus spending His wrath, and all the problems that leads to (disunity in the Trinity, lack of sufficiency and sovereignty of God, etc.)
And not only that, but if you were to assign values to what Christ accomplished in the Atonement, slicing it up like a pie chart, you'd end up with many slices, the largest among them being Christus Victor, and the idea of propitiation being a small sliver, perhaps, with various other size pieces being carved out as well.
Is this correct? I know no priest is infallible, of course, but this is what I've put together from listening to many of them. Fr. Thomas Hopko comes to mind since I can still hear his words in his own voice, but I know there were a number who led to this overall understanding.
Correction appreciated. Thank you, my brothers and sisters.
I've heard some priests get upset that the idea of sacrifice, atonement, propitiation, etc. are denied by the faithful, in a reaction against PSA.
I'm trying to get into the fine details myself, because Scripture DOES say those things. And I don't have my reading to hand, but iirc, doesn't the early Church affirm blood sacrifice, for example? But what she absolutely never said, and what we deny from PSA, is the concept of an ANGRY God, who won't be satisfied until He has inflicted pain on SOME, thus spending His wrath, and all the problems that leads to (disunity in the Trinity, lack of sufficiency and sovereignty of God, etc.)
And not only that, but if you were to assign values to what Christ accomplished in the Atonement, slicing it up like a pie chart, you'd end up with many slices, the largest among them being Christus Victor, and the idea of propitiation being a small sliver, perhaps, with various other size pieces being carved out as well.
Is this correct? I know no priest is infallible, of course, but this is what I've put together from listening to many of them. Fr. Thomas Hopko comes to mind since I can still hear his words in his own voice, but I know there were a number who led to this overall understanding.
Correction appreciated. Thank you, my brothers and sisters.
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