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I am a Muslim seeking the Truth.

I have been looking up Christianity for a while and find that theres different opinions.

Some believe that there is trinity. While others others believe god is one.

Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god? Also does it depend on what

type of Christianity they believe in?

Thank you in advance.
 

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Peace be upon you all.

I am a Muslim seeking the Truth.

I have been looking up Christianity for a while and find that theres different opinions.

Some believe that there is trinity. While others others believe god is one.

Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god? Also does it depend on what

type of Christianity they believe in?

Thank you in advance.
Welcome to CF.

Christians believe that God is one and that He exists in the form of a Trinity. There is only one God but He manifests Himself eternally as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three gods but three manifestations of the one God. This is admittedly hard to understand (and explain) since no physical analogy can be properly made.

Christians believe that the Son temporarily became a man named Jesus. Jesus was both God and man during His time on earth. He gave Himself to be sacrificed to provide a substitutionary atonement for mankind. Whoever accepts His sacrifice for him/herself will be given eternal life. After Jesus was killed, He ascended back to the Father, where He now waits until the Last Day, when He'll come again as the conquering King.
 
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Welcome to CF.

Christians believe that God is one and that He exists in the form of a Trinity. There is only one God but He manifests Himself eternally as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three gods but three manifestations of the one God. This is admittedly hard to understand (and explain) since no physical analogy can be properly made.

Christians believe that the Son temporarily became a man named Jesus. Jesus was both God and man during His time on earth. He gave Himself to be sacrificed to provide a substitutionary atonement for mankind. Whoever accepts His sacrifice for him/herself will be given eternal life. After Jesus was killed, He ascended back to the Father, where He now waits until the Last Day, when He'll come again as the conquering King.

I am really considering buying a bible (New Testament) and reading for myself. What does the New Testament contain?

Because I have heard of books like Matthew, John etc. Or are they chapters inside The New Testament?
 
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Peace be upon you all.

I am a Muslim seeking the Truth.

I have been looking up Christianity for a while and find that theres different opinions.

Some believe that there is trinity. While others others believe god is one.

Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god? Also does it depend on what

type of Christianity they believe in?

Thank you in advance.

All Christians believe Jesus is God's Son, including heretics. The difference is in what we mean by "Son of God". For orthodox Christians to say Jesus is God's Son is to declare that Jesus is God. We do not believe that God had sex with Mary to produce offspring, Jesus is the Eternal Son, and as such is God, the same God as the Father; and therefore one God.

Orthodox Christianity (Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants) confesses that God is Trinity, and that the Trinity is one. For us the Trinitarian nature of God is not in contrast to God's Unity, it is God's unity. God is One, there is only one God.

This clear statement is made in the most important Christian confession, the Nicene Creed; though for an even more explicit statement there is this from the Athanasian Creed (used by Catholics and Protestants),

"We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity".

To reject the Trinity is to reject Christian orthodoxy; that is to say, only heretics reject the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of the most central tenets of the Christian religion, it is as central to our faith as Tawhid is in yours.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I am really considering buying a bible (New Testament) and reading for myself. What does the New Testament contain?

Because I have heard of books like Matthew, John etc. Or are they chapters inside The New Testament?
The New Testament contains 27 books written primarily by Jesus' 12 apostles or their companions. Four of the books ("The Gospels") are a biography (of sorts) of the life of Jesus when He was on earth. These four books are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The remaining 23 books elaborate on Jesus' teachings and provide additional information about the Christian life.

When you get your New Testament, I recommend that you start by reading the Gospel of John because it is the most descriptive book regarding Jesus' divinity.

There are different versions of the New Testament as published by different publishers. You'll find a wide variety of suggestions on which is the "best", but my recommendation would be to get one of the following versions:
  • Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
  • English Standard Version (ESV)
  • New King James Version (NKJV)
  • New International Version (NIV)
 
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The New Testament contains 27 books written primarily by Jesus' 12 apostles or their companions. Four of the books ("The Gospels") are a biography (of sorts) of the life of Jesus when He was on earth. These four books are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The remaining 23 books elaborate on Jesus' teachings and provide additional information about the Christian life.

When you get your New Testament, I recommend that you start by reading the Gospel of John because it is the most descriptive book regarding Jesus' divinity.

There are different versions of the New Testament as published by different publishers. You'll find a wide variety of suggestions on which is the "best", but my recommendation would be to get one of the following versions:
  • Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
  • English Standard Version (ESV)
  • New King James Version (NKJV)
  • New International Version (NIV)
What is the difference in these four? And also is there an Old testament? If so what do you recommend (assuming theres different versions of it).
 
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What is the difference in these four? And also is there an Old testament? If so what do you recommend (assuming theres different versions of it).

Those provided are Bible translations, and are both Old and New Testament.

Differences in translation is a fairly large conversation on its own. Here's just one reason (I apologize, as it's long and wordy):

What Christians call the Old Testament was originally written primarily in Hebrew, a couple of the most recent Old Testament texts such as Daniel and Esther were written in Aramaic as Aramaic became the primary language of the Jewish people after the Babylonian Captivity (Aramaic was the common language of the Neo-Assyrian, Babylonian, and later Persian Empires). After the conquests of Alexander the Great Greek culture and language spread east and south, to Egypt, Palestine, and as far as modern Afghanistan. Under Greek rule a translation of Jewish Scripture was translated into Greek, known as the Septuagint or the LXX (both mean "Seventy").

Hellenistic Jews and the early Christians used the Septuagint as a readily available translation of Scripture, quotes in the New Testament are usually word-for-word from the Septuagint. Also, really old Hebrew manuscripts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls often agree with the Septuagint.

In the middle ages a group of Jewish scribes known as the Masoretes put forward a standardized Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible (known as the Tanakh), this is known as the Masoretic Text. The Masoretic Text differs in some ways to both the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls, but agrees with other earlier Hebrew manuscript traditions. Christians traditionally used the Septuagint in the East, and Western Christians used the Vulgate, a Latin translation made by St. Jerome which included Hebrew manuscripts he was familiar with at the time which also largely agree with the Septuagint. Jews, however, followed the Masoretic Text in the late middle ages.

In the 16th century when the Protestant Reformation happened Reformation leaders such as Martin Luther believed in the importance of translating the Bible into the languages of the peasantry, so Luther translated the Bible in German, English translators later also made translations, including William Tyndale and Myles Coverdale. These early Protestant vernacular Bibles used number of sources, and translators used the best of their knowledge to choose the best variant readings when their sources differed, these sources included:

For the Old Testament: The Masoretic Text with supplements from the Septuagint and the Vulgate.
For the New Testament: The critical Greek editions made by Erasmus of Rotterdam.

in the early 17th century there existed several English Bibles in Great Britain, in order to produce a single, standardized, authoritative translation for use in the Church of England King James I summoned many of the foremost scholars of the time to produce a standardized translation for the Church of England. As sources they used what I mentioned above, plus they relied heavily on earlier English translations such as Tyndale and Coverdale, and they used other Greek editions by Theodore Beza and Robert Estienne (also known as Robertus Stephanus). The translation they made was known then as the Authorized Version, but is known to us today as the King James Version (named after King James I of England).

In the years since then we have uncovered many more manuscripts of the New Testament that are much older than what Erasmus had to work with (some dating to the 2nd century), and there exist a diverse number of variant readings among manuscripts. We also discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, making things even better for us in regard to the Old Testament.

When it comes to manuscripts of the New Testament there are, generally speaking, what we call "text types", broad families of manuscripts that are more closely related than to others. The two biggest are the Byzantine text type and the Alexandrian text type. Modern scholars have used both of these families of texts (and not exclusively necessarily) to produce new critical editions like that of Erasmus, Beza, and Stephanus. Modern translations then rely on these critical editions to make their translations.

So differences in translation can come about because of these differences in source material. Different translations rely on different source texts in an attempt to figure out what the best readings are, in order to produce as faithful a translation possible.

It's important, also, to keep in mind that when we talk about all these variant readings in manuscripts and source texts, we aren't talking wildly different. We're often talking about inconsequential things, a slightly different word order but saying the same thing, occasionally some manuscripts contain a word that others don't. Very rarely do these variant readings amount to anything significant in the text's meaning, here's an example:

The Textus Receptus (Latin for Received Text) is a critical edition of the Greek New Testament that takes the readings from Erasmus, Beza, and Stephanus used in the King James Version. Here is the Textus Receptus reading of Ephesians 5:22

"Αἱ γυναῖκες τοῖς ἰδίοις ἀνδράσιν ὑποτάσσεσθε, ὡς τῷ κυρίῳ"

Here is a more modern critical edition of the Greek text, the GNT Morph

"αἱ γυναῖκες τοῖς ἰδίοις ἀνδράσιν ὡς τῷ κυρίῳ"

The difference is a single word ὑποτάσσεσθε (pronounced hupotassesthe, a form of ὑποτάσσω (hupotasso) meaning "to submit".

In the GNT Morph the sentence, if translated literally, would read:

"The wives/women [your] own the husbands/men as the lord"

Or translated more understandably, "Wives, your own husbands as to the Lord."

This doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, but that's because there's no verb to make the sentence make sense; that's because in Greek it is possible to borrow a verb from a preceding statement, so in Ephesians 5:21 it says "submit to one another" the verb is ὑποτασσόμενοι, "submit to". So in fact the translation should be:

"Wives, submit to your own husbands as to the Lord."

This is, also, precisely what the Textus Receptus says, including the verb for "submit"

"Αἱ γυναῖκες τοῖς ἰδίοις ἀνδράσιν ὑποτάσσεσθε, ὡς τῷ κυρίῳ"

"The wives/women [your] own the husbands/men submit to, as the lord"

or, "Wives, submit to your own husbands as to the Lord."

So in translation the meaning is the same, even though there are differences in the source text.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hello Striving. I hope you are well.

It's hard to wrap our minds around the triune nature of God, but that does not necessarily disqualify the truth of the Trinity. We should not think that our finite minds can fully comprehend infinite God.

The Bible is composed of two large sections, the Old and New Testaments, with the Old incorporating what occurred before Jesus appeared on the scene. But even one of the central tenets of the Old Testament (OT) proclamation of God being 'one" allows for a triune nature. The "shema" of Deuteronomy 6:4 proclaims "the Lord is one", but the word for 'one' there is echad, which allows for plurality within the one. It's like you have one cluster of many grapes, or one "day" consisting of distinct night and day. Those are actual examples, among many, of other instances of the use of echad in the OT. You can find a nice concise discussion of this in Guzik's commentary here, under point 2, for verses 4-5.

(By the way, "Deuteronomy 6:4" refers to the book of Deuteronomy in the Bible, chapter 6, verse 4.)

To me the importance of understanding the Trinity is to show that God is by nature both personal and relational. Though He is all-powerful, He is not a mere abstract force, and He is not distant. He is a person, and He desires intimate relationship with us. The New Testament (NT) proclaims that "God is love" (1John 4:8). That love drove God to create man, so He could share His love - that is, so He could share Himself - with us. It also drove Him to save man after man had fallen away from Him through the original sin and could not make his way back - even to the point of God's only-begotten Son, the perfect man, Jesus, giving His life to release us from the consequences of Adam's sin. The love of Christ is so great that Romans chapter 8 declares that nothing can separate us from it. That same love and relationship characterizes the intimate union of the Trinity.


There is a man who was raised in Islam whom I find to have great insight into these things. He gives his personal testimony in this video, and I never fail to be inspired and enlightened by it. Perhaps you would enjoy it as well.
 
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Hello Striving. I hope you are well.

It's hard to wrap our minds around the triune nature of God, but that does not necessarily disqualify the truth of the Trinity. We should not think that our finite minds can fully comprehend infinite God.

The Bible is composed of two large sections, the Old and New Testaments, with the Old incorporating what occurred before Jesus appeared on the scene. But even one of the central tenets of the Old Testament (OT) proclamation of God being 'one" allows for a triune nature. The "shema" of Deuteronomy 6:4 proclaims "the Lord is one", but the word for 'one' there is echad, which allows for plurality within the one. It's like you have one cluster of many grapes, or one "day" consisting of distinct night and day. Those are actual examples, among many, of other instances of the use of echad in the OT. You can find a nice concise discussion of this in Guzik's commentary here, under point 2, for verses 4-5.

(By the way, "Deuteronomy 6:4" refers to the book of Deuteronomy in the Bible, chapter 6, verse 4.)

To me the importance of understanding the Trinity is to show that God is by nature both personal and relational. Though He is all-powerful, He is not a mere abstract force, and He is not distant. He is a person, and He desires intimate relationship with us. The New Testament (NT) proclaims that "God is love" (1John 4:8). That love drove God to create man, so He could share His love - that is, so He could share Himself - with us. It also drove Him to save man after man had fallen away from Him through the original sin and could not make his way back - even to the point of God's only-begotten Son, the perfect man, Jesus, giving His life to release us from the consequences of Adam's sin. The love of Christ is so great that Romans chapter 8 declares that nothing can separate us from it. That same love and relationship characterizes the intimate union of the Trinity.


There is a man who was raised in Islam whom I find to have great insight into these things. He gives his personal testimony in this video, and I never fail to be inspired and enlightened by it. Perhaps you would enjoy it as well.

I watched the video.

And I can say the man clearly has changed. Seemed a lot more full of love, compassion and mercy.

It even included some humorous parts :D
 
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I am really considering buying a bible (New Testament) and reading for myself. What does the New Testament contain?

Because I have heard of books like Matthew, John etc. Or are they chapters inside The New Testament?
The New Testament contains Jesus' ministry on Earth in the four Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ( each split into chapters) In addition, it contains how the early church spread, as well as letters to various Christian churches ( and in some cases indivual people of encouragement as well as warnings.
 
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Peace be upon you all.

I am a Muslim seeking the Truth.

I have been looking up Christianity for a while and find that theres different opinions.

Some believe that there is trinity. While others others believe god is one.

Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god? Also does it depend on what

type of Christianity they believe in?

Thank you in advance.
There is something called Orthodox Christianity which is defined as the sort of traditional views of Christianity ( and also a branch, but usually today when people say orthodox Christianity it is to refer to the former ( unless the context clearly suggest otherwise. Traditionally, Christians believe that God is three in one and that Jesus is God's son that is the generally accepted, and I believe the correct view.
 
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What is the difference in these four? And also is there an Old testament? If so what do you recommend (assuming theres different versions of it).
They tell different stories or parables, and tell slightly different events. What I mean is that one writer may have spent more time talking about certain events than others. There is actually only one event that is detailed in all four gospels and that is when Jesus fed 5,000 men with a little boy's lunch, but some of the gospels tell different events and parables.

Another different relates to diction or word choice. For example, John tends to use simple everyday words such as light and life when Jesus refers to Himself.
 
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Peace be upon you all.

I am a Muslim seeking the Truth.

I have been looking up Christianity for a while and find that theres different opinions.

Some believe that there is trinity. While others others believe god is one.

Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god? Also does it depend on what

type of Christianity they believe in?

Thank you in advance.
BE GREATLY BLESSED IN YOUR JOURNEY. Welcome here, I hope you will find friends and wisdom.
You are right, there are different opinions, that is why I suggest you read the Bible yourself so you will be first and primarily influenced by the Lord over human ideas.
You will find many of your questions answered, a little at a time as you surrender your heart and will to the Father. To find a "Bible online" there are several web sites that offer excellent varieties. To check which one you can understand check these sites out. Also you will be able to compare many versions at the same time.
www.biblegateway.com and www.biblehub.com
The book of John repeats the word LOVE most often, though every other revelation of Jesus, the Father and His Gift to us His Holy Spirit, are included in the other 3 Good News books >(Gospels). God is multi-faceted like a precious gem and every Book of The Bible (all 66) reveals one or more facets of His Character, Nature, and Plan for His Family.
 
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What is the difference in these four? And also is there an Old testament? If so what do you recommend (assuming theres different versions of it).
Hi there,

My advice is to read as much of the new testament as you can without stopping, and without getting stuck on things that you don't understand, and do this straight away before you allow other people to put ideas in your mind about what it teaches, because context is really important. Our preconceived ideas about what the bible teaches can actually force us to read in a context that is different from the context that the writers of the bible are presenting.

You should always remember that your faith is with God, and pray for Him to show you the truth when you go seeking help from others, rather than seeking for men who you can trust to teach you the truth. This is the difference between a religion of God and a religion of man. God really delights in humbling the proud, so often He will choose to speak to us through even the people we would not expect!

By reading the new testament first, even if you read the books of Matthew and Acts, you will get information about what happened in the time of Jesus 2,000 years ago, how the message was taken to the world by the apostles, and you will get a feel for the Christian heart.

One really famous claim made by Jesus is "I am the way, the truth and the life". When one considers that He is claiming to be the truth, then if one makes the truth their instructor, so that every time they become aware that they are wrong they will learn to be right - in that way, we are a disciple of the truth. Such a person is by definition, a disciple of Jesus Christ, and they will find truth in every word Jesus speaks. The truth will lead them to be free from sin, to withstand all accusations of the devil, then they will have the life that sin destroys.
 
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God being one is not at odds with the Trinity. The Trinity is a way of describing the one God. We believe he is complex in his unity. God is big enough for that.
Maybe as a compision how even people can have different roles and still be one person. I can be a daughter, a sister and a student among with any number of other things, but I am still one person with simply different roles.
 
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Also do Christians think that Jesus is the son of god?
All true Christians believe the Bible to be the Word of God. The Bible reveals that Jesus is God. It also reveals that God is ONE, but He is also three Divine Persons but one God. If that cannot be explained or understood with the human mind, it can certainly be believed and Christians simply believe it. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only way to God, because He is the only one who offered Himself as the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. He also rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father. All those who turn from their sins and idols (repent) and receive Christ as both Lord and Saviour receive the gift of eternal life. Therefore, when they die they go to be with Christ in Heaven.
 
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BE GREATLY BLESSED IN YOUR JOURNEY. Welcome here, I hope you will find friends and wisdom.
You are right, there are different opinions, that is why I suggest you read the Bible yourself so you will be first and primarily influenced by the Lord over human ideas.
You will find many of your questions answered, a little at a time as you surrender your heart and will to the Father. To find a "Bible online" there are several web sites that offer excellent varieties. To check which one you can understand check these sites out. Also you will be able to compare many versions at the same time.
www.biblegateway.com and www.biblehub.com
The book of John repeats the word LOVE most often, though every other revelation of Jesus, the Father and His Gift to us His Holy Spirit, are included in the other 3 Good News books >(Gospels). God is multi-faceted like a precious gem and every Book of The Bible (all 66) reveals one or more facets of His Character, Nature, and Plan for His Family.

One thing I have observed is that Christianity revolves around love. Right? That is something I feel makes me love the faith even more. I have even recently seen myself become a more genuine, loving and less selfish person.
 
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Maybe as a compision how even people can have different roles and still be one person. I can be a daughter, a sister and a student among with any number of other things, but I am still one person with simply different roles.

Yes you have a point.
 
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