Have you had a yaoi temptation?

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If I eat an apple, that might be only about pleasing myself. Is that immoral?How is having sex with someone any more selfish than playing badminton with someone?

I have to catch you on your man made un-divine reasoning. I am a Christian and I take the Bible as the final authority in all matters relating to faith and practice. The Holy Bible teaches in its Scriptures that it is wrong to be gay and lesbian, and yaoi is promoting a form of being gay. It is pairing a male with another male. It is promoting homosexuality. That is why it is a sin, it is unbiblical. You cannot be a Christian and be either gay or lesbian. Your sexual orientation needs to be straight. Sorry. At least, that is what my church teaches.

Let me see if I can find the Bible verses for you (I only use the KJV version of the Bible since my church is KJV-Onlyist)....

Romans 1:21 -- Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


And also these verses...

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
 
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I have to catch you on your man made un-divine reasoning. I am a Christian and I take the Bible as the final authority in all matters relating to faith and practice. The Holy Bible teaches in its Scriptures that it is wrong to be gay and lesbian, and yaoi is promoting a form of being gay. It is pairing a male with another male. It is promoting homosexuality. That is why it is a sin, it is unbiblical. You cannot be a Christian and be either gay or lesbian. Your sexual orientation needs to be straight. Sorry. At least, that is what my church teaches.

Let me see if I can find the Bible verses for you (I only use the KJV version of the Bible since my church is KJV-Onlyist)....

Romans 1:21 -- Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


And also these verses...

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

I get what you're saying, but I think a better thing to gain from this is that God designed men and women to be biologically compatible, and therefore a heterosexual relationship is ideal. However, I don't think the Bible says "You need to be straight". Some people struggle with exclusively same-sex attractions and have a difficult time balancing their faith with their sexuality. I myself had same-sex attractions once but they seemed to fade away over time. Other people aren't so lucky.

Homosexual SEXUAL ACTIVITY is the sin, not having sexual or romantic feelings for someone of the same gender since that often can't be helped.

Naturally, of course, yaoi or yuri could tempt someone by encouraging them to engage in whatever sexual activity is depicted in it. Furthermore its portrayal of relationships is unrealistic, and yaoi (just yaoi, it seems) tends to have a "self-inserting" quality, which isn't healthy for the girl reading it.
 
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I get what you're saying, but I think a better thing to gain from this is that God designed men and women to be biologically compatible, and therefore a heterosexual relationship is ideal. However, I don't think the Bible says "You need to be straight". Some people struggle with exclusively same-sex attractions and have a difficult time balancing their faith with their sexuality. I myself had same-sex attractions once but they seemed to fade away over time. Other people aren't so lucky.

Homosexual SEXUAL ACTIVITY is the sin, not having sexual or romantic feelings for someone of the same gender since that often can't be helped.

Naturally, of course, yaoi or yuri could tempt someone by encouraging them to engage in whatever sexual activity is depicted in it. Furthermore its portrayal of relationships is unrealistic, and yaoi (just yaoi, it seems) tends to have a "self-inserting" quality, which isn't healthy for the girl reading it.

I completely agree. There's a homosexual person at a church I know but he doesn't take part in any sexual activity or get into any relationships because he understands that it is a sin.
 
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I'm going through a battle with my heart at the moment, it's been going on for a while. I'm literally on a roller coaster. Some days I completely avoid temptation and don't look at any yaoi at all, but then sometimes I just don't care and get caught up in it! IT'S SUPER ANNOYING. I feel disgusting... I know that people might think it's funny that I'm stumbling from yaoi, but I am a girl and I am naturally attracted to that kind of thing... And what's worse is that, sometimes, I have dreams about it... >.<
Has anybody else ever gone through a similar thing? I just don't know how to deal with it. I'm doing okay with it now, I've been praying more and keeping away from worldly things. I'm just worried that I'm going to be tempted again.
Hope it's not too late. I have been going thru this for several years. However, I enjoy yaoi for the romance. I enjoy looking at 2-D pretty boys bishonens, because I'm a female. I feel that The romance blossoming between 2 beautiful bishounens is heart-warming.
Yaoi is explicit but it has sub-genres. There are hentai-like yaoi which focuses on sexual pleasures, but normally I don't like those and I literally go "yuck!". And no, I do not get "turned on" from reading it. For me, yaoi has to be romance-based.
I think it has to depend on how you take it. Do you enjoy it because of the sexual pleasures/ lust? People say it's a form of promoting inappropriate content/ gay. But how do you take it? For me, I purely enjoy the aesthetics of it.
 
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I get what you're saying, but I think a better thing to gain from this is that God designed men and women to be biologically compatible, and therefore a heterosexual relationship is ideal. However, I don't think the Bible says "You need to be straight". Some people struggle with exclusively same-sex attractions and have a difficult time balancing their faith with their sexuality. I myself had same-sex attractions once but they seemed to fade away over time. Other people aren't so lucky.

Homosexual SEXUAL ACTIVITY is the sin, not having sexual or romantic feelings for someone of the same gender since that often can't be helped.

Naturally, of course, yaoi or yuri could tempt someone by encouraging them to engage in whatever sexual activity is depicted in it. Furthermore its portrayal of relationships is unrealistic, and yaoi (just yaoi, it seems) tends to have a "self-inserting" quality, which isn't healthy for the girl reading it.
So if a gay couple is in a celibate asexual relationship, that'd be acceptable in this perspective? Yuri is uncommon, but one could point out a selection of series that have it as the main genre, such as Yuri Kuma Arashi that debuted this year, as well as others such as Strawberry Panic and Kashimashi (which has other topics it investigates, like transgender individuals and love that ignores gender)
 
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So if a gay couple is in a celibate asexual relationship, that'd be acceptable in this perspective? Yuri is uncommon, but one could point out a selection of series that have it as the main genre, such as Yuri Kuma Arashi that debuted this year, as well as others such as Strawberry Panic and Kashimashi (which has other topics it investigates, like transgender individuals and love that ignores gender)
a celibate asexual relationship like that would be little more than cohabitation with maybe some kissing. So, basically, roommates who love each other. That's kind of uncommon, and the Bible was written long before romance and sexuality were given orientations and whatnot, which are frankly just social constructs sometimes.

But in that case, I think it depends on how far they took it. You probably already know this, but we Christians believe that God not only gave a purpose for biological sex besides "provider of gametes", but also to illustrate the complimentary nature of male and female. A close friendship between two men or women can exist, and they can love each other and even kiss (kissing means different things in different cultures).

But the reason Christianity does not really approve of sexual activity in these relationships is not just because of natural law or the Bible said so--considering that the bible "said so" only a handful of times. The main reason is likely because God did not intend for friendships to necessarily become sexual relationships, and for a man or a woman to assume an opposite gender role as one person might sometimes do in same-sex relationships (though not all, of course, and fiction tends to alter cultural perception).

It can be inferred from various parts of the Bible that the man works hard and takes responsibility, while the woman nurtures, protects, supports, utilizes and values emotions Instead of just plowing through them, and manages internal affairs in the family. Does this work out all the time? No. Is every man or woman equipped for that sort of role? No, although I think this sort of stuff is for more than just parenting. But mothers and fathers are needed for children if they can physically produce them (infertility is another topic), and romantic feelings are fleeting for both gay and straight couples.

So as long as this hypothetical couple had no sex and re-assessed their relationship to determine whether it was really romance or just a close bond (such a thing exists, and nowadays our culture seems to think that romance is the strongest bond, but given that break-ups and divorce exists it clearly isn't), then it might be acceptable. But I'm ultimately not the judge. God looks at the hearts of people and exposes their true motivations.

honestly, a lot of times romantic desire might just be a longing for company. I have several times thought that I was "in love" with someone just because I wanted to hang out with them more, and then I assessed the situation and realizes that no, this person was not going to be a future spouse.

As for yaoi and yuri, that's fiction that tends to portray relationships like that for either self-insert purposes, sex appeal, or to explore the nether regions of same-sex relationships. But I don't think it's very indicative of real life, even if it is well-written. Although I wouldn't know, I have never sampled yaoi or yuri and probably never will.
 
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a celibate asexual relationship like that would be little more than cohabitation with maybe some kissing. So, basically, roommates who love each other. That's kind of uncommon, and the Bible was written long before romance and sexuality were given orientations and whatnot, which are frankly just social constructs sometimes.

But in that case, I think it depends on how far they took it. You probably already know this, but we Christians believe that God not only gave a purpose for biological sex besides "provider of gametes", but also to illustrate the complimentary nature of male and female. A close friendship between two men or women can exist, and they can love each other and even kiss (kissing means different things in different cultures).

But the reason Christianity does not really approve of sexual activity in these relationships is not just because of natural law or the Bible said so--considering that the bible "said so" only a handful of times. The main reason is likely because God did not intend for friendships to necessarily become sexual relationships, and for a man or a woman to assume an opposite gender role as one person might sometimes do in same-sex relationships (though not all, of course, and fiction tends to alter cultural perception).

It can be inferred from various parts of the Bible that the man works hard and takes responsibility, while the woman nurtures, protects, supports, utilizes and values emotions Instead of just plowing through them, and manages internal affairs in the family. Does this work out all the time? No. Is every man or woman equipped for that sort of role? No, although I think this sort of stuff is for more than just parenting. But mothers and fathers are needed for children if they can physically produce them (infertility is another topic), and romantic feelings are fleeting for both gay and straight couples.

So as long as this hypothetical couple had no sex and re-assessed their relationship to determine whether it was really romance or just a close bond (such a thing exists, and nowadays our culture seems to think that romance is the strongest bond, but given that break-ups and divorce exists it clearly isn't), then it might be acceptable. But I'm ultimately not the judge. God looks at the hearts of people and exposes their true motivations.

honestly, a lot of times romantic desire might just be a longing for company. I have several times thought that I was "in love" with someone just because I wanted to hang out with them more, and then I assessed the situation and realizes that no, this person was not going to be a future spouse.

As for yaoi and yuri, that's fiction that tends to portray relationships like that for either self-insert purposes, sex appeal, or to explore the nether regions of same-sex relationships. But I don't think it's very indicative of real life, even if it is well-written. Although I wouldn't know, I have never sampled yaoi or yuri and probably never will.

I feel like you're ,misunderstating asexuality: it's not just a lack of physical intimacy, it's physical intimacy without the sexual undertones to it, from what I've been told and researched (briefly). Sex is where there's deeper intimacy, but intimacy in a physical sense can exist without sex, same as emotional intimacy with a couple that does have sex.

Again, this seems to misunderstand how sexual relationships work with homosexuals or even heterosexuals: it's not purely about complementarity of your sex, it can be just as much, if not moreso, about complementarity of personalities and such, which arguably aren't deterministic or absolutely limited by your sex or gender. Two people loving each other doesn't have to be about their sex, even if there is an unconscious drive related to that, even if not based in reproduction or a general understanding of nature as having the "selfish gene" to quote Richard Dawkins. A man in a same sex relationship with another man isn't technically being a "woman" unless you reduce the submissive role in sex to something that must be for women, which is silly, since a man can be submissive and a woman dominant, they're not mutually exclusive in terms of the roles they can play in a relationship, sexual or otherwise.

Certainly parents are required for children to grow up well adjusted, but I don't think the evidence is on the side of a purely gender binary structure for parenting in order for a child to not turn out bad, since children can have a mother and father, biological or otherwise, and still turn out terrible for entirely unrelated reasons.

At least you're being realistic in saying that both gay and straight people (among others, technically) can both be fleeting in their attractions, though I'd qualify that the term we should use here is infatuation moreso than attraction in a sense that leads to committment. Merely liking someone in that sense without the idea of committment coming to mind is something every person can be guilty of, sort of a violation of Kantian categorical imperative, since you're using a person as a means rather than an end

Romance isn't the only strong bond, but it's certainly presented as such more than others: One Piece, a manga about pirates, has a group of characters that, I'd say don't need to be implicated as having any romantic interest in each other at all, but merely are strong friends that have an equally strong bond that's been forged over time.

I don't disagree, though I've rarely had those feelings in the last 5 years, especially post college with failed relationship attempts (2 of the women I had any interest in turning out to not be interested in males in that way or outright never saw me in a romantic light)

There's bad romance of any kind and I can't speak about a lot of yaoi or yuri anyway, since I have a limited exposure to it myself, even with my best friend who's practically a fujoshi in the positive sense, albeit in my understanding, she's been more in the Western fandom, so there may be a separate term for that (shipping Supernatural characters, for example). Of course it's fictional and isn't necessarily meant to be a full representation of romance, but it's not like it should be avoided merely because you're averse to it in a sense that isn't based on literary criticism, but a moral concern. I read plenty of manga that invokes Christian imagery, for example, but that doesn't mean there's some cognitive dissonance.
 
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I feel like you're ,misunderstating asexuality: it's not just a lack of physical intimacy, it's physical intimacy without the sexual undertones to it, from what I've been told and researched (briefly). Sex is where there's deeper intimacy, but intimacy in a physical sense can exist without sex, same as emotional intimacy with a couple that does have sex.

Again, this seems to misunderstand how sexual relationships work with homosexuals or even heterosexuals: it's not purely about complementarity of your sex, it can be just as much, if not moreso, about complementarity of personalities and such, which arguably aren't deterministic or absolutely limited by your sex or gender. Two people loving each other doesn't have to be about their sex, even if there is an unconscious drive related to that, even if not based in reproduction or a general understanding of nature as having the "selfish gene" to quote Richard Dawkins. A man in a same sex relationship with another man isn't technically being a "woman" unless you reduce the submissive role in sex to something that must be for women, which is silly, since a man can be submissive and a woman dominant, they're not mutually exclusive in terms of the roles they can play in a relationship, sexual or otherwise.

Certainly parents are required for children to grow up well adjusted, but I don't think the evidence is on the side of a purely gender binary structure for parenting in order for a child to not turn out bad, since children can have a mother and father, biological or otherwise, and still turn out terrible for entirely unrelated reasons.

At least you're being realistic in saying that both gay and straight people (among others, technically) can both be fleeting in their attractions, though I'd qualify that the term we should use here is infatuation moreso than attraction in a sense that leads to committment. Merely liking someone in that sense without the idea of committment coming to mind is something every person can be guilty of, sort of a violation of Kantian categorical imperative, since you're using a person as a means rather than an end

Romance isn't the only strong bond, but it's certainly presented as such more than others: One Piece, a manga about pirates, has a group of characters that, I'd say don't need to be implicated as having any romantic interest in each other at all, but merely are strong friends that have an equally strong bond that's been forged over time.

I don't disagree, though I've rarely had those feelings in the last 5 years, especially post college with failed relationship attempts (2 of the women I had any interest in turning out to not be interested in males in that way or outright never saw me in a romantic light)

There's bad romance of any kind and I can't speak about a lot of yaoi or yuri anyway, since I have a limited exposure to it myself, even with my best friend who's practically a fujoshi in the positive sense, albeit in my understanding, she's been more in the Western fandom, so there may be a separate term for that (shipping Supernatural characters, for example). Of course it's fictional and isn't necessarily meant to be a full representation of romance, but it's not like it should be avoided merely because you're averse to it in a sense that isn't based on literary criticism, but a moral concern. I read plenty of manga that invokes Christian imagery, for example, but that doesn't mean there's some cognitive dissonance.
Honestly, I have a hard time grasping asexuality. I don't think it might even be real. Society doesn't need yet another sexual orientation to permeate through it.

To me, it just,sounds like you're brushing off biological drives and natural law in favor of emotional rhetoric to say, "Love doesn't care about gender or biology". True, but homosexual "romance" isn't biologically viable, and with the absence of a mother or father the child might miss out on some developmental stuff. Fathers and mothers tend to teach both their sons and daughters certain things. Gay parents might do better than some straight parents, but they're not optimal. That's not bigotry; just something that, to me, is more IMportant than love.
 
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Just because it's complicating what is initially a comfortable system doesn't make it "wrong" in any sense of the term. Asexuality is arguably a sexual orientation in a very particular sense, since it only precludes sexual intimacy, not intimacy of all kinds. The fact that society tends to lump all intimacy together into sex in regards to physical sensuality is part of the issue.

Biological drives don't determine us absolutely anymore than a perceived natural law that's in place because we don't want to admit any kind of nuance or difference in human behaviors that could be accommodated without negative consequences besides some people being made uncomfortable.

Love doesn't need to be biologically viable when it has various forms to begin with. No one is saying that everyone shouldn't have kids, that's a personal choice one has to make in their own consideration of responsibilities, etc.

This still makes an unnecessary divide between a mother and father when you yourself admitted that a man can nurture children and a mother can discipline in your last post. Children don't miss out on those things because of a lack of a female influence, since they can get that from someone other than a mother, not to mention it's not as if there's some checklist you have to follow to raise a child in a "perfect" manner, since there's not really such a thing as a perfect child to begin with.

Love is the most important thing in Christianity, is it not? You're trying to parse out something that's greater than love in spite of your holy book saying that nothing else is more important. If conformity to nature was so important, why does Jesus not bring it up nearly as much as he speaks about loving one another as you want to be loved? Love, like all good things, should be moderated by reason, certainly, but to say that we should preclude some types of love because they're different without considering whether being different is the qualification for being wrong is being literalist and formulaic.
 
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Hi there,

I recognize that this post is on the older side, but I think that this is a struggle Christian women will face for a long time to come and I wanted to leave something for anyone who's been on this thread or will be in the future. IF you're reading this and you want help with your addiction to yaoi, I can tell you as someone who has been there that it's possible to get out.

I can't convince you that what you are doing is an addiction or something that needs to be fixed, just know that it is a realization that took me years to awaken to and years more to rise to the occasion. Ultimately it falls into the origin of the term inappropriate contentography, which pertained to anything falling outside of the Christian marriage between a man and a woman. It is less about trying to justify if it's okay, if there's sexual acts involved, or if it is a sin, and more about asking yourself why you are engaging in it. I don't think anyone will find the answer to be a Christian sentiment; I certainly didn't. If you're reading this I don't think I need to tell you that.

You need to know that God is patient and you are loved, and with God at your side this is something you can overcome, but it will be hard. If you have physical copies they need to be discarded. If it is online you need to steer away from manga sites for awhile, at least until you have better control over which you read. I still enjoy manga but can now avoid the temptation to dip my toes in the deeper pool of sexual content or otherwise ideological relationships that exist in that type of fiction. If you read fanfiction you need to stay off those sites, because there's really no other reason for you to be there. Most importantly you need to tell someone about it, ideally someone that can be your accountability partner. By telling someone you are acknowledging it as a problem that you are willing to work on.

What worked for me and my addiction, was that the moment I decided I was going to fight it, I scrambled to find my black nail polish and painted my thumb, and only my thumb. I do not normally paint my nails and so it was a very striking visual reminder whenever I typed or held my phone, to avoid the habit of perusing that type of content. It was also bringing my problem outside of my little world and acknowledging it in a bigger sense, even if I never said anything on my black thumb more than "It's just something I'm working through right now." That black thumb remained until the habit faded and only a faint pull lingered. The habit had been squashed, and so it was easy to keep myself in check.

I can tell you that it's rewarding to be rid of it. I have more time to pursue my true hobbies, and I feel like a great weight has been lifted off my shoulders that I didn't even know was there. I feel closer to God than ever, and I even have the chance to help others now that I'm over the worst of it.

If at any point you are reading this and struggling with an addiction to inappropriate contentography, know that I am rooting for you. This is something that you can overcome with God's grace.
 
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