We got ourselves a good ol' fashion terrorist attack in Colorado

MikeK · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
And we don't have any?

Correct, we have no national registration requirement for general firearms. We do have a registration requirement for fully-automatic wespons, and it has virtually ended the use of those guns in crime since being passed in 1934.

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
So you are blaming the law abiding citizens who have a right to bare arms legally and responsibly for the street gun violence? That's a new one for even these warpped forums. You want to blame everything and everyone except for who and what's actually to blame. How about drug dealing the the states and the feds do nothing to stop.

Every gun in the hand of a criminal originated in the hands of a legal gun owner.

How else did they get there?

LivingWordUnity · Nov 28, 2015

tadoflamb said:
Every gun in the hand of a criminal originated in the hands of a legal gun owner.

How else did they get there?

Part of the problem is now that the guns are in the hands of the criminals, how are we going to get them out of their hands?

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
If they meet the criteria, how are the lobbyist to blame? At what point do you blame the person who pulls trigger? Stop this scapegoating.

I'll just put you on record that it's OK to allow people on terrorist watch lists to buy firearms and explosives.

No wonder the pro gun lobby is so afraid of refugees.

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
Part of the problem is now that the guns are in the hands of the criminals, how are we going to get them out of their hands?

The people from whom they were obtained need to figure that one out.

LivingWordUnity · Nov 28, 2015

Tadoflamb,

Bene responded to your other post that there's something wrong with a state if it doesn't have any gun restrictions.

tadoflamb said:
Nonsense. Anyone can walk into a gun show in Arizona and buy a gun. No questions asked.

Where do you think these guns originated. Black market gun manufacturers?

benedictaoo said:
What is wrong with your state then?

benedictaoo · Nov 28, 2015

MikeK said:
(Sigh)

I'm going to guess you didn't look into their overall murder rate vs ours?

Maybe because the social issues aren't the same as ours. I wish you, Tad and the rest of y'all would just stop with the band aid approach and deal with what makes a person pull the trigger.

LivingWordUnity · Nov 28, 2015

tadoflamb said:
The people from whom they were obtained need to figure that one out.

That's not reasonable. It makes no sense to let the gangs and criminals can keep their guns while only caring about taking them from the people who get them legally.

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
Tadoflamb,

Bene responded to your other post that there's something wrong with a state if it doesn't have any gun restrictions.

You and bene do know Arizona is known for it's conservatism?

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
Maybe because the social issues aren't the same as ours. I wish you, Tad and the rest of y'all would just stop with the band aid approach and deal with what makes a person pull the trigger.

That's easy, it's the gun culture of death.

benedictaoo · Nov 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
Tadoflamb,

Bene responded to your other post that there's something wrong with a state if it doesn't have any gun restrictions.

Its corruption from the top down. Corrupt politicians, corrupt judges. Corrupt criminal justices system. We can ban guns and stop gun sales, shut down gun shows...they'll just go underground. You can not stop this run away train. Guns are on the streets and that's that. Deal with drugs, illness, poverty, all the things that would lead a person to pull the trigger.

LivingWordUnity · Nov 28, 2015

tadoflamb said:
You and bene do know Arizona is known for it's conservatism?

There are different kinds of conservatives, and we don't all think exactly the same.

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
If any liberal here thinks I am for no gun laws, you're all mistaken. I am for strict laws, I am not for revoking the 2nd amendment because one day, we just may need it. This is what others in other countries just cannot wrap their brains around. The 2nd amendment ensures that we'll never be under tyranny. So get it straight, I am for gun laws, not for gun banning. We are Americans, we are free, we have the right to arm ourselves. If anyone is really passionate over this, they'll be about dealing with the root cause of gun violence not the actual gun.

If Americans are really that passionate about their guns they'll find some way to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the insane. Just maintaining the status quo isn't helping a thing.

LivingWordUnity · Nov 28, 2015

tadoflamb said:
That's easy, it's the gun culture of death.

The problem is broader. It's because of a culture of sin.

benedictaoo · Nov 28, 2015

tadoflamb said:
You and bene do know Arizona is known for it's conservatism?

You do know I don't care? I'm A political. They're all a bunch of no good crooks. You really need to get real. Guns are already on the streets, impossible to round them up. You're attributing gun violence to something that's so stupid. Legal gun owners... Really?

tadoflamb · Nov 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
There are different kinds of conservatives, and we don't all think exactly the same.

It's good to know that. I'm conservative sometimes too.

MikeK · Nov 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
Tadoflamb,

Bene responded to your other post that there's something wrong with a state if it doesn't have any gun restrictions.

There is something wrong with our country if it does not pass the gun control legislation our Bishops are calling for.

MikeK · Nov 28, 2015

benedictaoo said:
Maybe because the social issues aren't the same as ours. I wish you, Tad and the rest of y'all would just stop with the band aid approach and deal with what makes a person pull the trigger.

I abide by the teachings of the USCCB, and I disagree with your assessment that these are band aid approaches. Rather, their position calls for not only stronger gun control legislation but also increased funding for and availability of mental health care and also increased funding for and focus on rehabilitation of criminals.

benedictaoo · Nov 28, 2015

And it's not the guns that'll be banned anyway, the ammunition will be unavailable. If you wanted to control gun use, cant use one if it doesnt have ammunition.

benedictaoo · Nov 28, 2015

MikeK said:
I abide by the teachings of the USCCB, and I disagree with your assessment that these are band aid approaches. Rather, their position calls for not only stronger gun control legislation but also increased find wing for and availability of mental health care and also increased funding for and focus on rehabilitation of criminals.

Rehabilitation? They have to be convicted and not let out in order to be rehabed. And I abide by the teachings too, nice shade throwing there.

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