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I rather think it will be the feast of Trumpets.
I don't see how the feast of trumpets will have anything to do with a resurrection...do Jews believe this is resurrection day?

And I disagree that "no passage says that." To Paul in 1 Thes. it was a sudden event with no warning. Can you think of any verse that gives us a warning?
...not at the top of my head..Paul only say that in a moment those alive in Christ are changed in a blink of an eye....not the event but the changing from morality to immortality...

However, we have the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles or "ingathering" (Sounds very promising!). I believe that Jesus has already fulfilled all the spring feasts.

I believe Jesus resurrect on a specific day to show that others in him will be resurrect on that same day ..the holy spirit was given on Pentecost gathering saints ....it does not end with the holy spirit outpouring ..the holy spirit sows and must also reap ...Pentecost would be a good day today gather all the saints

Perhaps you are just thinking that God being God He WILL give us a warning. I believe as we approach the time, those filled with the Spirit will know it is getting very close. He will not tell us the day nor the hour - but even that verse I think is relating to His coming for Armageddon. Today we have children to adults all having dreams and visions of the rapture. We have many prophets warning that the day is coming very soon. We have people who have gone to heaven and came back to tell others, saying that JESUS HIMSELF told them He is coming before anyone thinks He will come.

Yes God will warn his people
 
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I don't see how the feast of trumpets will have anything to do with a resurrection...do Jews believe this is resurrection day?

...not at the top of my head..Paul only say that in a moment those alive in Christ are changed in a blink of an eye....not the event but the changing from morality to immortality...



I believe Jesus resurrect on a specific day to show that others in him will be resurrect on that same day ..the holy spirit was given on Pentecost gathering saints ....it does not end with the holy spirit outpouring ..the holy spirit sows and must also reap ...Pentecost would be a good day today gather all the saints



Yes God will warn his people

May it be so brother. May He give us at least a seven day notice. But I don't see that anywhere in scripture.
 
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May it be so brother. May He give us at least a seven day notice. But I don't see that anywhere in scripture.


Yeah scripture comes up short with many details....but think about this...did any foresaw Jesus would be crucified on the morning sacrifice just before Passover?...and died on the evening sacrifice?....did any expect Jesus to rise again on first fruits after 3 days in the grave?....and did anyone expect the many old testament saints who rose to visit them ?.... Did the disciples expect Jesus to hang around after his resurrection...did they expect him to rise up to heaven?....

They did expect the coming of the holy spirit on Pentecost...but most of the time clueless....

God gathers and reaps on Jewish feast days ...I think it's safe to expect him.to do the same in the future appointed time...

And I'm not going to close the door and say God has fulfilled the spring feast....God does what he wants and reaps when he so chooses
 
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I saw it said in an earlier post that God isn't going to warn us before all this happens and I beg to differ, he has been warning us for centuries he has not just given many visions and dreams but he has left many signs and fulfilled prophecies.

I have felt for a while now that something big is coming a giant storm the likes never seen before and I know in my spirit it will happen suddenly and out of nowhere much like how nine eleven happened. No one knew that was going to happen it was a normal day and then suddenly sudden destruction happened and yet even after this many continue to think that things are going to stay this they say all the time that many ppl have said all this was going to happen for years and yet it didn't not even knowing they were fulfilling the Prophesy given

2 Peter 3:4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." I believe this scripture was not meant for Christs return alone but rather is the state of mind of those who have seen the signs who have been warned of all that is to come yet are in unbelief.

A time is coming where life as we know it will be gone, people will look back on these days and only then realize just how good they had it and will mourn and long for these days to return but it won't. For a long while now I only knew that I had to prepare my heart, I didn't know why and I didn't care I only knew that I had to seek love above all else that I had to fill my entire being every fiber within my soul and body with the heart and love of God. But I understand why now, because when this suddenly happens out of nowhere if our hearts are not prepared then none of us will stand and the only way to prepare for what is coming is to seek love above all else to have and desire a love with God for God and for all others in deep abundance and richness.
 
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I saw it said in an earlier post that God isn't going to warn us before all this happens and I beg to differ, he has been warning us for centuries he has not just given many visions and dreams but he has left many signs and fulfilled prophecies.

I have felt for a while now that something big is coming a giant storm the likes never seen before and I know in my spirit it will happen suddenly and out of nowhere much like how nine eleven happened. No one knew that was going to happen it was a normal day and then suddenly sudden destruction happened and yet even after this many continue to think that things are going to stay this they say all the time that many ppl have said all this was going to happen for years and yet it didn't not even knowing they were fulfilling the Prophesy given

2 Peter 3:4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." I believe this scripture was not meant for Christs return alone but rather is the state of mind of those who have seen the signs who have been warned of all that is to come yet are in unbelief.

A time is coming where life as we know it will be gone, people will look back on these days and only then realize just how good they had it and will mourn and long for these days to return but it won't. For a long while now I only knew that I had to prepare my heart, I didn't know why and I didn't care I only knew that I had to seek love above all else that I had to fill my entire being every fiber within my soul and body with the heart and love of God. But I understand why now, because when this suddenly happens out of nowhere if our hearts are not prepared then none of us will stand and the only way to prepare for what is coming is to seek love above all else to have and desire a love with God for God and for all others in deep abundance and richness.

What kind of storm?....what do you mean life as we know it will change and how in what way?

If any apocalyptic event takes place it will be man made to give way to a false messianic age and the end not yet
 
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I don't see how the feast of trumpets will have anything to do with a resurrection...do Jews believe this is resurrection day?

I have read....I am not a Jew so cannot prove it....that the last final blast of the trumpet that closes the Feast of Trumpets...was always called "the last trump." The trumpet sill certainly sound for the rapture event, and Paul called it "the last trump." It is NOT the last trump in our bible, but probably the last of a SERIES. It will certainly be the last trumpet blast of the church age, for the moment after, it will be the Day of the Lord.
 
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What kind of storm?....what do you mean life as we know it will change and how in what way?

If any apocalyptic event takes place it will be man made to give way to a false messianic age and the end not yet
What makes you think it's man made? And yes it is apocalyptic but not by man, now I couldn't say when it is or how it is going to happen but when it does come it is going to change everything and not in a good way. all the luxuries we have that we take for granted like clean water enough food a warm home and bed all of it will be gone, when you go outside instead of a blue sky you will see a dark one instead of flowers and beautiful nature you will see blood soaked in the ground. a person I spoke with saw this storm in a dream I had not spoken of this storm to him either. he this terrifying storm and appeared far away but the suddenly it was where he was
 
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What makes you think it's man made?

Because Jesus said a false messiah will come first.....in order to convince the end is come and the messiah is here man will have to create the illusion that prophetic scriptures are being fulfilled



And yes it is apocalyptic but not by man, now I couldn't say when it is or how it is going to happen but when it does come it is going to change everything and not in a good way. all the luxuries we have that we take for granted like clean water enough food a warm home and bed all of it will be gone, when you go outside instead of a blue sky you will see a dark one instead of flowers and beautiful nature you will see blood soaked in the ground. a person I spoke with saw this storm in a dream I had not spoken of this storm to him either. he this terrifying storm and appeared far away but the suddenly it was where he was

pretty vague bad news..

God is seeking to save the lost....gods enemies are decievers ...Because God's enemies seek to change the world by deceptions and destructions...God will pour out his true wrath on that era...for they have destroyed the earth....and must reap what they sow....
 
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Because Jesus said a false messiah will come first.....in order to convince the end is come and the messiah is here man will have to create the illusion that prophetic scriptures are being fulfilled





pretty vague bad news..

God is seeking to save the lost....gods enemies are decievers ...Because God's enemies seek to change the world by deceptions and destructions...God will pour out his true wrath on that era...for they have destroyed the earth....and must reap what they sow....
The apocalypse isn't the end it is the time in the tribulation in which we will see horrors beyond belief and as for the anti christ he can do all you have just said in mere weeks. And as for the(bad news) being vague I do not know all the details I only know what God has shown me
 
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The apocalypse isn't the end it is the time in the tribulation in which we will see horrors beyond belief and as for the anti christ he can do all you have just said in mere weeks. And as for the(bad news) being vague I do not know all the details I only know what God has shown me

You have a wife and kids fire heart?
 
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No I don't, why?
I was just wondering how you prepare your family knowing such an event is coming...do you believe in the rapture or must we all go through tribulation?
 
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I was just wondering how you prepare your family knowing such an event is coming...do you believe in the rapture or must we all go through tribulation?
If I had a wife and children I would prepare them by doing my best to lead them to have a deep and intimate love with God, when and if I ever have a family like this assuming that there is a future in which I do we will build our house on this rock the rock that is the Lord. whether going in the rapture or going through the tribulation my heart is prepared for both however it happens.
 
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If I had a wife and children I would prepare them by doing my best to lead them to have a deep and intimate love with God, when and if I ever have a family like this assuming that there is a future in which I do we will build our house on this rock the rock that is the Lord. whether going in the rapture or going through the tribulation my heart is prepared for both however it happens.

Easier said than done....:)

I believe in the rapture ..no one can prepare for apocalyptic times imo...it would be a time of testing that no one wishes to go through...
 
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Easier said than done....:)

I believe in the rapture ..no one can prepare for apocalyptic times imo...it would be a time of testing that no one wishes to go through...
Whoever said it would be easy? there is no short cuts in following God and in leading your family to follow him. The time of testing is going to be a time in which yes those whose hearts are not prepared will not stand but we need to have our hearts prepared because things don't always turn out how we plan. we can rest easy believing that the rapture will make it where we won't face hardships but we don't know if we won't go through some tribualtion before that happens do we?
 
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Whoever said it would be easy? there is no short cuts in following God and in leading your family to follow him. The time of testing is going to be a time in which yes those whose hearts are not prepared will not stand but we need to have our hearts prepared because things don't always turn out how we plan. we can rest easy believing that the rapture will make it where we won't face hardships but we don't know if we won't go through some tribualtion before that happens do we?

Just stating the obvious...

I take comfort in the words of Romans 8: 35_38
 
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I have read....I am not a Jew so cannot prove it....that the last final blast of the trumpet that closes the Feast of Trumpets...was always called "the last trump." The trumpet sill certainly sound for the rapture event, and Paul called it "the last trump." It is NOT the last trump in our bible, but probably the last of a SERIES. It will certainly be the last trumpet blast of the church age, for the moment after, it will be the Day of the Lord.

I 've ask a Jewish friend of mine awaiting his response ...it's the Sabbath for him though...
 
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Because Jesus said a false messiah will come first.....in order to convince the end is come and the messiah is here man will have to create the illusion that prophetic scriptures are being fulfilled





pretty vague bad news..

God is seeking to save the lost....gods enemies are decievers ...Because God's enemies seek to change the world by deceptions and destructions...God will pour out his true wrath on that era...for they have destroyed the earth....and must reap what they sow....
Jesus did NOT say that a false messiah would come before disaster. Nation after nation has been overthrown since Jesus went back to heaven. Days of great tribulation came to the Jews in Europe. Millions were martyred only because they were Jews. The USA has been inviting God OUT for many years now. The leadership don't want God interfering in their lives or in the nation's life. All it would take is one nuke exploded high in the atmosphere over the USA to bring about such a "storm." We certainly take electricity for granted. I would have no heat without it. My gas furnace will not work without electricity. My electric range would not work. My MW would not work. My lights would not work. From what I have read, just one nuke would take this away for a long time. One EMP pulse would make toast of most if not all of the transformers. We would have to wait for more transformers to be built. Yet, the factories where they are made run on electricity also. The city water department runs on electricity also. I am fortunate that I live near a creek. I could carry water.

The bible has certainly NOT promised that a nation that turns away from Him will survive. Ever hear of Jonathan Kohn and the Harbinger?
 
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Jesus did NOT say that a false messiah would come before disaster

yes he did ,,,,he could come before or after disaster.......let me ask you this ...will disaster come before jesus returns?....if so....then its obvious that a man claiming to be messiah must create the illusion that the end of the world is upon them ...putting fear so that many will turn to him for salvation.....so scripture suggest that....

but also in matt 24 jesus speaks of many claiming to be christ first coming in his name to decieve ....then wars famine and plagues earthquakes and then persecution...because love grows cold,,,,so a false messiah could come first to decieve the end is upon us....

they have technology to create earthquakes with haarp weather manipulations strong storms tsunamis plagues economic collapes are created by people in high places in government or even higher ....and technology we dont know about they can use to decieve

but what i meant by a false messiah must come first...i meant that a false messianic age will be realized first but the end is not yet.....jesus will return when the false messianic age is realized


. Nation after nation has been overthrown since Jesus went back to heaven. Days of great tribulation came to the Jews in Europe. Millions were martyred only because they were Jews. The USA has been inviting God OUT for many years now. The leadership don't want God interfering in their lives or in the nation's life. All it would take is one nuke exploded high in the atmosphere over the USA to bring about such a "storm." We certainly take electricity for granted. I would have no heat without it. My gas furnace will not work without electricity. My electric range would not work. My MW would not work. My lights would not work. From what I have read, just one nuke would take this away for a long time. One EMP pulse would make toast of most if not all of the transformers. We would have to wait for more transformers to be built. Yet, the factories where they are made run on electricity also. The city water department runs on electricity also. I am fortunate that I live near a creek. I could carry water.

I know....im not saying that storms are not possible....im saying none of the above is gods will nor did god have a hand upon the sufferings of the world since the beginning of christianity

The bible has certainly NOT promised that a nation that turns away from Him will survive.
USA and other leaderships of the world are fallen from god....but not all americans....many civilians serve god and have not turn away from the faith...god saved lot...god would have spared sodom for 10 righteous sake...

Ever hear of Jonathan Kohn and the Harbinger?
yes its bogus

even if america gets destroyed with all the christians within them and history writes that god will was that america be destroyed because of sin against the laws of god....it will not be true....truth is it will be man made destuction and god will avenge the death of his people....we are counted as sheep for the slaughter... tribulation and persecution is the norm for us since the beginning of christianity
 
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I believe in the rapture ..no one can prepare for apocalyptic times imo...it would be a time of testing that no one wishes to go through...

I disagree on this aspect. The Lord has already begun preparing myself and my family for apocalyptic times. I have felt this for a couple years now. The last couple years has been more of a spiritual preparation, but now my parents have begun to prepare themselves as well after being pushed towards in from the spirit. Like I said before, those times could still be 20+ years away, but Holy Spirit knows what He's doing.
 
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