Full Preterism On The Feast Of The Lord

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

Full preterists have a basic problem: they SAY all eschatological events-the coming of the beast, mark of the beast, great trib-have all occurred, but they CANNOT account for them in history.

The literal fulfillment of some of the events Jesus prophesied in the Olivet Discourse, such as the destruction of Jerusalem & the temple, war & rumor of war, persecution of Christians, etc. PROVES that the WHOLE set of prophecies shall be LITERALLY fulfilled. And these shall be PROFOUND events affecting the whole world, not just Judea.

Partial preterism, which says all the events are fulfilled except the return of Christ, is proven false by Christ's own words in Matthew 24:29-30. where He says that IMMEDIATELY after the great trib is over, there'll be a great cosmological disturbance, during which He shall return. Obviously this hasn't yet occurred, so the great trib hasn't yet occurred either.

Yes, preterism has a very-basic problem it can't overcome-all talk, no substance. It's phony as a Ford Corvette.

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
Full preterists have a basic problem: they SAY all eschatological events-the coming of the beast, mark of the beast, great trib-have all occurred, but they CANNOT account for them in history.

The literal fulfillment of some of the events Jesus prophesied in the Olivet Discourse, such as the destruction of Jerusalem & the temple, war & rumor of war, persecution of Christians, etc. PROVES that the WHOLE set of prophecies shall be LITERALLY fulfilled. And these shall be PROFOUND events affecting the whole world, not just Judea.

Partial preterism, which says all the events are fulfilled except the return of Christ, is proven false by Christ's own words in Matthew 24:29-30. where He says that IMMEDIATELY after the great trib is over, there'll be a great cosmological disturbance, during which He shall return. Obviously this hasn't yet occurred, so the great trib hasn't yet occurred either.

Yes, preterism has a very-basic problem it can't overcome-all talk, no substance. It's phony as a Ford Corvette.

For this to mean anything you would have to prove that the coming of Jesus is a visible event to mortals living on earth. If the coming of Jesus occurs in the spiritual realm there would be no record of it.

It sounds like you agree with the some of the 'things' Jesus mentions but you insert a second conversation into Jesus words to separate the ONE conversation into two parts.

When you consider the way the three writers worded the question as well as the answer from Jesus I am lost to determine an understanding which would mean other than the 'coming' and the 'end' would be anything other than two of the 'things' that would happen in connection to the destruction of the temple.
That seems justified considering the 'end of the world ' was in the generation of that first century.
1 COR 10
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Justme

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

Justme said:
For this to mean anything you would have to prove that the coming of Jesus is a visible event to mortals living on earth. If the coming of Jesus occurs in the spiritual realm there would be no record of it.

Easy! Just read Matt. 24:29-30, Luke 21:25-27 and Rev. 19:11-21.

It sounds like you agree with the some of the 'things' Jesus mentions but you insert a second conversation into Jesus words to separate the ONE conversation into two parts.

There are separate prophecies in the one conversation. Sorry, Captain; your excuse won't fly.

When you consider the way the three writers worded the question as well as the answer from Jesus I am lost to determine an understanding which would mean other than the 'coming' and the 'end' would be anything other than two of the 'things' that would happen in connection to the destruction of the temple.
That seems justified considering the 'end of the world ' was in the generation of that first century.
1 COR 10
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Well, obviously, the world didn't end then. The ERA ended, the era of the Old Covenant, which Jesus replaced at the "Last Supper". ("End of the world" is one of those unfortunate renderings in the KJV, which is why I don't use it too much.)

Justme

Just Me, "It happened in the SPIRIT WORLD" and "The language is symbolic/allegorical" are the two commonest dud excuses used by prets who cannot account for the events they claim have happened, in history. Might as well realize and admit that preterism is a false doctrine, invented entirely by men making private interps of Scripture, against God's express command.

JLB777 · Nov 28, 2015

To any Preterist -

When you teach people the resurrection is past, you are teaching Heresy.

It's that simple.

And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth,saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18

Preterism is a disease, a cancer in the body of Christ, those who teach it have "strayed" concerning the truth.

Just exactly the same context as I used James 5:19

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who teach Heresy have wandered from the truth and lead others astray, into deception leading to death, Eternal Death.

Saying the Resurrection is past shows a deep misunderstanding of the most elementary truth's of God's word.
[Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, ofresurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2]

The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His Coming, for all those who are His.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ concerns the resurrection of the physical body.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by mancame death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

... afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

All His people will be gathered together, at the resurrection/rapture at His Coming.

The age from Adam to Christ's Second Coming, is the age of Mankind, whereby man marry's and is given in marriage, and he dies.

There is no such age as the Mosaic age.

There is no such age as the Church age.

There is "this age" and the is the age to come, or "that age" at the resurrection.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

As long as people still marry, it is "this age", which began with Adam and Eve, in which Jesus has not returned.

As long as people still die, it is still "this age", which began with Adam and Eve, in which Jesus has not returned.

Please pick one point you do not agree with and let's discuss it.

JLB

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
Easy! Just read Matt. 24:29-30, Luke 21:25-27 and Rev. 19:11-21.

What should those verses tell me?
Nothing there mentions Jesus returns physically. To get Jesus PHYSICAL at all you have to undo 1 COR 15:45, can you do that?

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

JLB777 said:
To any Preterist -

When you teach people the resurrection is past, you are teaching Heresy.

It's that simple.

And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth,saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18

Preterism is a disease, a cancer in the body of Christ, those who teach it have "strayed" concerning the truth.

Just exactly the same context as I used James 5:19

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

Those who teach Heresy have wandered from the truth and lead others astray, into deception leading to death, Eternal Death.

Saying the Resurrection is past shows a deep misunderstanding of the most elementary truth's of God's word.
[Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, ofresurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2]

The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His Coming, for all those who are His.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ concerns the resurrection of the physical body.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by mancame death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

... afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

All His people will be gathered together, at the resurrection/rapture at His Coming.

The age from Adam to Christ's Second Coming, is the age of Mankind, whereby man marry's and is given in marriage, and he dies.

There is no such age as the Mosaic age.

There is no such age as the Church age.

There is "this age" and the is the age to come, or "that age" at the resurrection.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

As long as people still marry, it is "this age", which began with Adam and Eve, in which Jesus has not returned.

As long as people still die, it is still "this age", which began with Adam and Eve, in which Jesus has not returned.

Please pick one point you do not agree with and let's discuss it.

JLB

"Please pick one point you do not agree with and let's discuss it."

That is an interesting challenge and I will gladly discuss with you. Let's start with your statement about Hymeneas.
In that case these men said there was a resurrection of the dead before it actually happened. No full preterist has ever said that. I don't know what partial preterists have to say about the resurrections. You may recall that Hymeneas messed with the faith of some so that tells us that the resurrection, even to the people of that time was understood to be NOT to planet earth, NOT physical in any way or they would not have had to complain about Hymeneas.,

There are two resurrections of the dead and both of them are past. I guess that would be the real discussion that would develop from your post.

Daniel 12:13 tells us:
13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

The 'end' is explained to us in 1 COR 10:11

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

John 11: 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Jesus said this directly to Martha, if someone lives and believes they will never die. To never die is to eternally live. If Martha is going to eternally live she would have to be physically alive at the last trump of 1 COR 15:51 and 52. The sleepers or the dead who require a resurrection from the dead are raised before there can be anybody 'caught up', 1 Thess 4:15 to 17.
Sure I would love to discuss resurrections with you.

Justme

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

Justme said:
What should those verses tell me?
Nothing there mentions Jesus returns physically. To get Jesus PHYSICAL at all you have to undo 1 COR 15:45, can you do that?

1 Cor. 15:14, NASV...""45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.""

Nothing at all to do with Jesus' return, and it certainly doesn't go against the Scriptures I used to **PROVE** Jesus will return to EARTH. Where will the great trib occur? on EARTH. In Luke 21, who is the antecedent of the "they" in V. 27 ? Where will the army of the "beast" be when Jesus destroys it? On EARTH!

I have proof; you have imagination & guesswork, Just Me. You're still on Square One. You've read the garbage of Alcazar and other quacks, and, for whatever reason, believed it. I suggest you chuck that hooey out the nearest window and do a REALITY CHECK.

No matter how many feathers you glue onto the hippos of "it happened in the spirit world" and "The language is symbolic/allegorical", THEY STILL WON'T FLY!

JLB777 · Nov 28, 2015

Justme said:
There are two resurrections of the dead and both of them are past.

Please show from scripture where the resurrection of the dead in Christ, whereby all those who are Christ's have received their immortal bodies that will never die, and shine like the sun.

If you have not died, then you have not been resurrected from the dead, which takes place on the last day of this age.

Please do share your scriptures that show this is past.

JLB

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
1 Cor. 15:14, NASV...""45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.""

Nothing at all to do with Jesus' return, and it certainly doesn't go against the Scriptures I used to **PROVE** Jesus will return to EARTH. Where will the great trib occur? on EARTH. In Luke 21, who is the antecedent of the "they" in V. 27 ? Where will the army of the "beast" be when Jesus destroys it? On EARTH!

I have proof; you have imagination & guesswork, Just Me. You're still on Square One. You've read the garbage of Alcazar and other quacks, and, for whatever reason, believed it. I suggest you chuck that hooey out the nearest window and do a REALITY CHECK.

No matter how many feathers you glue onto the hippos of "it happened in the spirit world" and "The language is symbolic/allegorical", THEY STILL WON'T FLY!

You have to look a bit deeper, I'm not giving you one trick pony references here. If Jesus is a spirit He will be INVISIBLE to mortals, can you grasp that, it follows the spiritual realm argument... like it makes the spiritual realm argument CORRECT!

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
1 Cor. 15:14, NASV...""45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.""

Nothing at all to do with Jesus' return, and it certainly doesn't go against the Scriptures I used to **PROVE** Jesus will return to EARTH. Where will the great trib occur? on EARTH. In Luke 21, who is the antecedent of the "they" in V. 27 ? Where will the army of the "beast" be when Jesus destroys it? On EARTH!

I have proof; you have imagination & guesswork, Just Me. You're still on Square One. You've read the garbage of Alcazar and other quacks, and, for whatever reason, believed it. I suggest you chuck that hooey out the nearest window and do a REALITY CHECK.

No matter how many feathers you glue onto the hippos of "it happened in the spirit world" and "The language is symbolic/allegorical", THEY STILL WON'T FLY!

Sorry I missed your reference to Luke 21:27. 'THEY' in all three of the writings of the conversation between Andrew, James, Peter, John and Jesus are the people who suffer the wrath of God. The YOU is the four men Jesus was talking to. DO you suppose that THEY would have left much information for the living people back on earth?
Jesus destroys but NOT in any earthly setting, He has the ability to make things real miserable for the recently dead wicked.

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

JLB777 said:
Please show from scripture where the resurrection of the dead in Christ, whereby all those who are Christ's have received their immortal bodies that will never die, and shine like the sun.

If you have not died, then you have not been resurrected from the dead, which takes place on the last day of this age.

Please do share your scriptures that show this is past.

JLB

1 Thess 4:15
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
There we learn that the sleepers do not precede the people who are alive and remaining on earth at the moment of the coming of the Lord.

That means the resurrections of the dead are over at or near the coming of the Lord. That is the end of the age. I showed you the verses in the first response I made to you.

As you wrote earlier,"The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at His Coming, for all those who are His."
That is correct, the resurrections of the righteous and the wicked all take place on the LAST day as these verses tel us.

John 6
40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Jo
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

The resurrections of the dead take place at the last day as you said and after that 'last day' there is no need for a resurrection from the dead because believers never die. That does not mean they do not PHYSICALLY or biologically die, but they never die because they go thru the judgement seat of Jesus, 2 COR 5:10 after their death, Hebrews 9:27 as they answer their questions from Jesus, Matthew 12:37 and if found by Jesus to be righteous then 2 COR 5:1 cuts in which is a direct trip to eternal life in heaven.

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

Justme said:
You have to look a bit deeper, I'm not giving you one trick pony references here. If Jesus is a spirit He will be INVISIBLE to mortals, can you grasp that, it follows the spiritual realm argument... like it makes the spiritual realm argument CORRECT!

No, it WAS false, and STILL IS false! Spirit or not, John saw Him in the Revelation. God the Father is a Spirit as well, but He allowed Moses to see His back. Your excuse is still null & void.

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

Justme said:
Sorry I missed your reference to Luke 21:27. 'THEY' in all three of the writings of the conversation between Andrew, James, Peter, John and Jesus are the people who suffer the wrath of God. The YOU is the four men Jesus was talking to. DO you suppose that THEY would have left much information for the living people back on earth?
Jesus destroys but NOT in any earthly setting, He has the ability to make things real miserable for the recently dead wicked.

robycop3 · Nov 28, 2015

This is all phony as a football bat. Your stubbornness prevents you from seeing the plain truth of Jesus' words. You completely ignore the Scriptures in Revelation that state jesus will reign ON EARTH FROM JERUSALEM, for 1K years. You completely miss Zech. 14:4 that sez He shall "touch down" on the Mount of Olives, which shall then split in half.

And just WHERE do ya think the "they' will be? they'll be RIGHT HERE ON EARTH!

As I said earlier, I suggest you chuck all the garbage by Alcazar, Gentry Sproul, and other quacks out the nearest window and do a REALITY CHECK. All this pret hooey is false and apostate.

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
This is all phony as a football bat. Your stubbornness prevents you from seeing the plain truth of Jesus' words. You completely ignore the Scriptures in Revelation that state jesus will reign ON EARTH FROM JERUSALEM, for 1K years. You completely miss Zech. 14:4 that sez He shall "touch down" on the Mount of Olives, which shall then split in half.

And just WHERE do ya think the "they' will be? they'll be RIGHT HERE ON EARTH!

As I said earlier, I suggest you chuck all the garbage by Alcazar, Gentry Sproul, and other quacks out the nearest window and do a REALITY CHECK. All this pret hooey is false and apostate.

No it is you that refuses to see the words of the LITERAL verses in the bible ... WHAT DOES 1 COR 1:45 say? Did Jesus become spirit again or NOT? Just answer to yourself, I already know.
The THEY probably wind up in Hell, but for some reason some are given a second chance as you can read in Rev 7. Jesus did tell the vipers in Matthew 23 that they would see Him coming alright... you figure it out. I'm not overly concerned , it was all over 2000 years ago.

Justme · Nov 28, 2015

robycop3 said:
No, it WAS false, and STILL IS false! Spirit or not, John saw Him in the Revelation. God the Father is a Spirit as well, but He allowed Moses to see His back. Your excuse is still null & void.

Whoa.... spirits can not be seen by the general population Robycop3! That is how spirits work. John could see Him in the vision because John was in the spirit. Read Luke 16 about the rich man and Lazurus, that will clue you in on that. You give one example of a special situation and expect me to believe it is always like that......????????????

Jesus became a spirit, Jesus remains a spirit, Jesus will return to you in the spiritual realm when you are dead.... Well in judgment , I can't tell you the outcome of that!!!!

robycop3 · Nov 29, 2015

Justme said:
Whoa.... spirits can not be seen by the general population Robycop3! That is how spirits work. John could see Him in the vision because John was in the spirit. Read Luke 16 about the rich man and Lazurus, that will clue you in on that. You give one example of a special situation and expect me to believe it is always like that......????????????

Jesus became a spirit, Jesus remains a spirit, Jesus will return to you in the spiritual realm when you are dead.... Well in judgment , I can't tell you the outcome of that!!!!

Justme said:
No it is you that refuses to see the words of the LITERAL verses in the bible ... WHAT DOES 1 COR 1:45 say? Did Jesus become spirit again or NOT? Just answer to yourself, I already know.
The THEY probably wind up in Hell, but for some reason some are given a second chance as you can read in Rev 7. Jesus did tell the vipers in Matthew 23 that they would see Him coming alright... you figure it out. I'm not overly concerned , it was all over 2000 years ago.

jesus is God, and can do ANYTHING. Spirit or not, He can make Himself visible or invisible to man at will. In rev. 19, the "beast's" army ON EARTH gathers against Him. How can they do that if they can't see Him, or He wasn't on earth?

And I don't see a peep from you in response to my mention of Zech. 14:4. It's obvious you ignore those Scriptures which prove preterism false, choosing to believe Alcazar over GOD.

robycop3 · Nov 29, 2015

Justme said:
No it is you that refuses to see the words of the LITERAL verses in the bible ... WHAT DOES 1 COR 1:45 say? Did Jesus become spirit again or NOT? Just answer to yourself, I already know.
The THEY probably wind up in Hell, but for some reason some are given a second chance as you can read in Rev 7. Jesus did tell the vipers in Matthew 23 that they would see Him coming alright... you figure it out. I'm not overly concerned , it was all over 2000 years ago.

Of course you're not concerned, as you've chosen to believe a jeezit quack and his homeboys over the word of God.

Justme · Nov 29, 2015

robycop3 said:
jesus is God, and can do ANYTHING. Spirit or not, He can make Himself visible or invisible to man at will. In rev. 19, the "beast's" army ON EARTH gathers against Him. How can they do that if they can't see Him, or He wasn't on earth?

And I don't see a peep from you in response to my mention of Zech. 14:4. It's obvious you ignore those Scriptures which prove preterism false, choosing to believe Alcazar over GOD.

Maybe He can but He didn't! Jesus became spirit and Jesus returned in the spiritual realm invisible to all who lived on earth at the time. The dead were resurrected to heaven, unobserved by the living at the time and since then we (believers) all are given eternal life in heaven at the moment of our death. 2 COR 5:1, Hebrews 9:27, Matthew 12:37, 2 COR 5:1, John 11:26.
Ask John, Andrew, James and Peter when you see them. They were the YOU Jesus was talking to!
Zech 14:4 is as symbolic as the biblical day is long. You should know that from verse 3 which says:
3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.

The LORD does not suit up, stick an actual knife in His mouth, jump on an actual horse and head in to battle, the LORD wills the outcome if He chooses from the comfort of Heaven.... Jesus never came physically close to the great tribulation physically, He was there spiritually I bet but NOT physically.

No I am not concerned, the great tribulation, that wrath of God, the harvest of the earth is yesterday's news.. again ask John, James, Peter and Andrew.
Remember this:
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Also remember only three living people ever saw Jesus coming in that kingdom and all of the rest of us will be dead when we see it.
The bible is such an interesting book, but it will only come together one way... good luck with figuring that out.

robycop3 · Nov 29, 2015

Justme said:
Maybe He can but He didn't! Jesus became spirit and Jesus returned in the spiritual realm invisible to all who lived on earth at the time. The dead were resurrected to heaven, unobserved by the living at the time and since then we (believers) all are given eternal life in heaven at the moment of our death. 2 COR 5:1, Hebrews 9:27, Matthew 12:37, 2 COR 5:1, John 11:26.
Ask John, Andrew, James and Peter when you see them. They were the YOU Jesus was talking to!
Zech 14:4 is as symbolic as the biblical day is long. You should know that from verse 3 which says:
3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.

The LORD does not suit up, stick an actual knife in His mouth, jump on an actual horse and head in to battle, the LORD wills the outcome if He chooses from the comfort of Heaven.... Jesus never came physically close to the great tribulation physically, He was there spiritually I bet but NOT physically.

No I am not concerned, the great tribulation, that wrath of God, the harvest of the earth is yesterday's news.. again ask John, James, Peter and Andrew.
Remember this:
John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Also remember only three living people ever saw Jesus coming in that kingdom and all of the rest of us will be dead when we see it.
The bible is such an interesting book, but it will only come together one way... good luck with figuring that out.

i am trying hard to remain civil, which is hard to do when I read such garbage as you posted above. I hafta get up & walk around before replying in order to hold my temper.

Why? Because I see a total disregard of the very words of Jesus, from one who claimatabee a Christian.

First, preterism is a totally-man-made invention. When it was invented, men were somewhat ignorant of world history, and archaeology almost didn't exist. But preterism remained a very minor sub-culture among Christians, until Luis de Alcazar, a quack Spanish jeezit, wrote a book about it, in an effort to protect the pope from being labeled the antichrist. (Another false doctrine.)

Since then, many historical and archaeological discoveries **PROVE** preterism false. The events prets SAY have happened, have NOT yet happened, simple as THAT! the beast hasn't yet come; neither has the marka the beast, abomination of desolation, great trib, etc. and certainly not the return of Christ!

Saying "It happened in the spirit world" and/or "The language is symbolic/allegorical" is repeating the ignorant false excuses invented by pret quax & mountebanx who were most-likely not Christians. The whole context of Jesus' eschatological prophecies points to all the events occurring ON EARTH, save those that Scripture clearly says will occur in heaven. And that includes a physical, visible return of Jesus TO EARTH, seen by all, including those who pierced Him, as He said. it'll be the most-spectacular event ever seen by mortal man, and will be the end of the age.

And there's PLENTY of proof that ALL the prophecies Jesus made in the Olivet Discourse will LITERALLY cometa pass. Jerusalem and the temple were LITERALLY destroyed, as Jesus prophesied. there's been war and rumor of war from that day onward, as Jesus said. Christians have been persecuted and martyred from that time onward, as Jesus said. And jerusalem has been trod underfoot by gentiles from the time it was rebuilt, thru today, as Jesus said. There's simply NO BASIS for saying His other prophecies in that Discourse won't cometa pass JUST-AS-LITERALLY!

I speak out against this pret heresy and apostasy lest someone else believe it & become as eaten-up with it as YOU are. I recommend you submit yourself wholly to Jesus, and earnestly pray to Him to rid your mind of the garbage & false doctrines, and that you BELIEVE HIS WORDS which you've rejected in favor of those of Alcazar & other pret charlatans.

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