BLM protester disrupts Trump rally, gets roughed up and thrown out

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I prefer a commander with courage..

It doesn't take courage to go to war when you can send people out to do your fighting for you. You just have to be trigger-happy.

You'd think we'd have had enough war over the past 14 years. And what have we got out of it? A lot of wounded warriors we need TV ads to take care of because the government would rather spend its money killing people than healing those it sends out to do its dirty work.
 
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I prefer a commander with courage.

A commander who sends other peoples children to die in an overseas war is not demonstrating courage. When a company the VP ran made over twenty billion dollars from the war, the VP was not demonstrating courage.
 
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It doesn't take courage to go to war when you can send people out to do your fighting for you. You just have to be trigger-happy.

You'd think we'd have had enough war over the past 14 years. And what have we got out of it? A lot of wounded warriors we need TV ads to take care of because the government would rather spend its money killing people than healing those it sends out to do its dirty work.
Every country has an army.
 
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A commander who sends other peoples children to die in an overseas war is not demonstrating courage. When a company the VP ran made over twenty billion dollars from the war, the VP was not demonstrating courage.
I realize there are those that would rather see an enemy overtake the United States but that is never going to happen.

Biden's son served and risked his life to defend the homeland. A volunteer military that believes when the soldiers have signed up that this country is worth dying for. And unless you've served you're in no position to condemn those who have. Or the CiC that is the leader of the country just because he doesn't take to the front lines.
 
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Then how do you explain why the decline in abortions stalled out during the Bush Administration and then went down sharply during Obama's administration?
Are you referring to one of Obama lies? ""The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down.''
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...barack-obama/abortion-numbers-have-gone-down/

In any case, she added, "There's no way to spin this one. The abortion rate is at its lowest rate since 1974.''
 
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I realize there are those that would rather see an enemy overtake the United States but that is never going to happen.

Biden's son served and risked his life to defend the homeland. A volunteer military that believes when the soldiers have signed up that this country is worth dying for. And unless you've served you're in no position to condemn those who have. Or the CiC that is the leader of the country just because he doesn't take to the front lines.

This post makes no sense at all. Did you even read my post? I talked about the courage, or lack thereof, of our leadership when they declare war, not about the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, or any other topic.
 
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That there are non-Christians here may be a sign that God has led them to the first step in realizing their fallen sinful state. And if it be his will they shall repent and be saved. :)

Don't be surprised when unbelievers try to rework the Bible to say what it has never said. When we were deep in our sins we didn't realize we were lost in the darkness because the darkness seemed like home. Then, something beckoned from the light and called us by name and we who were wise not of our own selves but in hearkening to that pull to look beyond what we thought we knew found our way. And pray God that shall be the way of it for Baha'i , atheist, agnostic, and all others not in Christ as yet here.

I read these boards before joining. Perhaps if you do, without logging on, you too will hear the desperation behind the anger that those outside God's church sound out when they speak of scriptures they do not know, and the God they do not yet see. That they're here when they have no faith in such things means they are called. Either to be an eventual child of the most high. Or an example of what fate awaits should ego take the day.

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I realize there are those that would rather see an enemy overtake the United States but that is never going to happen.

No one in the US would like to see it, and it is never going to happen.

Biden's son served and risked his life to defend the homeland.

I believe he was talking about Cheney, not Biden.
In any case, Iraq never attacked our homeland.

A volunteer military that believes when the soldiers have signed up that this country is worth dying for. And unless you've served you're in no position to condemn those who have. Or the CiC that is the leader of the country just because he doesn't take to the front lines.

No one has attacked these soldiers, only those who sent the out to fight and won't take care of their own wounded properly when they come home.
 
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No, actually I was referring to an NPR article. I can't find the one regarding the declining stalling out (never said it went up) during the Bush Administration but here is one regarding its decline during Obama's Administration:

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ns-reportedly-drop-to-lowest-rate-since-1970s
Like all morality this is one of those "reap what you sow" kind of effects just like economic effects. So if Bush did have an effect of lowering abortion this effect would continue after he left office.
 
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Don't be surprised when unbelievers try to rework the Bible to say what it has never said.

Unless you can show me where the Bible indicates Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the Temple because they were 'rendering unto Ceasar' you guys are the ones reworking the Bible to say what it never said.
 
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Like all morality this is one of those "reap what you sow" kind of effects just like economic effects. So if Bush did have an effect of lowering abortion this effect would continue after he left office.

That's a stretch. If you dug a little further you find out the real reason abortions have gone down.
 
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Unless you can show me where the Bible indicates Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the Temple because they were 'rendering unto Ceasar' you guys are the ones reworking the Bible to say what it never said.

I've read this thread through and I do not see where anyone affirmed what you're claiming. Though someone did attempt to interject the Caesar reference to derail the debate that doesn't mean there are scriptures that coincide.

From the perspective of what the money lenders were doing while in attendance outside the Temple, that is true. They were rendering unto Caesar because they were exchanging foreign coin for that of the Cesarean coin of the realm.Both outside the Temple and at times even inside.

Therefore Jesus' anger was justified because the money changers were violating God's will concerning the Temple and its meaning for all nations.

These I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.” Isaiah 56:7
 
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I've read this thread through and I do not see where anyone affirmed what you're claiming. Though someone did attempt to interject the Caesar reference to derail the debate that doesn't mean there are scriptures that coincide.

The person who tried to "derail" the debate by saying it was in reaction to the money-changers 'rendering unto Ceasar' is the person you made your post supporting!

From the perspective of what the money lenders were doing while in attendance outside the Temple, that is true. They were rendering unto Caesar because they were exchanging foreign coin for that of the Cesarean coin of the realm

Jesus said we should render unto Ceasar so that obviously was not issue here. it was the manner in which they were exploiting those who came to the Temple by making a profit this. As you yourself pointing out, there is no scripture which coincides with the interpretation that Jesus' disapproval had anything to do with 'rendering unto Ceasar.'
 
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The person who tried to "derail" the debate by saying it was in reaction to the money-changers 'rendering unto Ceasar' is the person you made your post supporting!
I think if you go back a few pages you'll see that the person who introduced the money lenders was in post #123.



Jesus said we should render unto Ceasar so that obviously was not issue here. it was the manner in which they were exploiting those who came to the Temple by making a profit this. As you yourself pointing out, there is no scripture which coincides with the interpretation that Jesus' disapproval had anything to do with 'rendering unto Ceasar.'
It was the fact the money lenders-changers, were at the Temple at all. And being many were Jews then they were indeed rendering unto Caesar and unto the heads of the temple treasury who also benefited from the alliance and quite contrary to the passage in Isaiah.
Jesus disapproval was fully invested in the violation of the Temple through this means of selling and profiting from sacrifices bought and sold outside his house.
What other reason would you give for Jesus wrath against the money lenders?
 
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I think if you go back a few pages you'll see that the person who introduced the money lenders was in post #123.

We were talking about whether Jesus' treatment of the money lenders was because they were 'rendering unto Ceasar' remember?

And being many were Jews then they were indeed rendering unto Caesar and unto the heads of the temple treasury who also benefited from the alliance and quite contrary to the passage in Isaiah.

You are totally ignoring the fact that Jesus said we should render unto Ceasar. So whether they were doing that or not had nothing to do with Jesus' disapproval.

Jesus disapproval was fully invested in the violation of the Temple through this means of selling and profiting from sacrifices bought and sold outside his house.
What other reason would you give for Jesus wrath against the money lenders?
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The reason you give above, that they were profiting from the sacrifices, not that they were '"rendering unto Ceasar" something we are all commanded to do according to the Bible.
 
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We were talking about whether Jesus' treatment of the money lenders was because they were 'rendering unto Ceasar' remember?
I remember. And you made the accusation as to the one who introduced money lenders being the one to whom I posted support. Which was in error.
The money lenders were rendering unto Caesar because the Temple under Rome's jurisdiction survived by paying taxes to Caesar in order to remain open and in practice.




You are totally ignoring the fact that Jesus said we should render unto Ceasar. So whether they were doing that or not had nothing to do with Jesus' disapproval.
Where exactly is the scripture that has Jesus using that exact word; should?
You appear to be highly emotional.


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The reason you give above, that they were profiting from the sacrifices, not that they were '"rendering unto Ceasar" something we are all commanded to do according to the Bible.
You appear to forget the latter part of Jesus teaching with regard to that complete verse. "...and unto God that which is God's." This is what caused Jesus to become upset when he happened on the scene at the Temple. You appear to have ignored the Isaiah verse previously shared here with regard to God's will and the Temple's function.
 
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