The Earth IS Flat

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

If you're a fundamentalist and truly belief the bible as the literal word of God, which I do, you should acknowledge that the world is flat.

I'm not going to argue it, but there is a large amount of evidence on google or youtube, and its just common sense.

How can you say you take the bible literally and believe we're some random planet spinning around the sun, in the galaxy, in the universe. Its a lie. We are stationary and not moving. A flat circle, surrounded in a firmament, as described in Genesis, with heaven above, and hell below.

JackRT · Nov 27, 2015

Yes, that is literal biblical cosmology. Sadly, it does not conform to the observed facts of nature. I will go with the record God left in nature rather than the words of human authors from almost 3000 years ago.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

JackRT said:
Yes, that is literal biblical cosmology. Sadly, it does not conform to the observed facts of nature. I will go with the record God left in nature rather than the words of human authors from almost 3000 years ago.

What are some of those observed facts? I've never seen the curvature of the Earth in my life, never felt in spinning, and never felt it moving, I've never observed any of it. All of the pictures of the Earth from space are fake, every last one. The pictures from the moon have no stars in them. Cities can be seen from hundreds of miles away when the "curvature" of the earth should have them hundreds of feet underwater. The uyuni salt flats are 100 miles of complete flatness, that is impossible on a globe earth. Are you telling me you really believe that 8000 miles below you there is someone upside down....Cause I sure don't. Again, there is tons of evidence proving the flat earth, I would recommend looking it up on youtube or google if interested.. I don't really feel like arguing.

BrianKay · Nov 27, 2015

I don't see where shape is mentioned in Genesis 1

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

BrianKay said:
I don't see where shape is mentioned in Genesis 1

It is mentioned everywhere else, and a firmament cannot surrounded a sphere:

- A city cannot be hid on a hill
- Satan took Jesus to the highest mountain
- Everyone will see Jesus returning
- Four Corners ( mentioned countless times )
- Four pillars
- Earth is like a footstool ( flat with pillars )
- Heaven stretched out over the earth
- Heaven and hell above and below respectively

Here are many more quotes:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/flat_earth

LaSorcia · Nov 27, 2015

1- Believing the bible is literally true, doesn't mean there is no metaphorical or poetic language in it at all.

2-God was trying to explain complicated scientific facts about the universe to Bible writers who weren't even as educated as 5th graders nowadays. God had to use words they could understand. I think the creation story is amazingly accurate, given our contemporary knowledge.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

LaSorcia said:
1- Believing the bible is literally true, doesn't mean there is no metaphorical or poetic language in it at all.

2-God was trying to explain complicated scientific facts about the universe to Bible writers who weren't even as educated as 5th graders nowadays. God had to use words they could understand. I think the creation story is amazingly accurate, given our contemporary knowledge.

The Earth Is Flat. Most people can't mentally, emotionally, and spiritually handle it.

Science comes from God, I hope you understand that.

Thank God, it only took me about a week to embrace and cope with the fact that the Earth is indeed flat surrounded by a firmament, exactly as the bible describes.

It takes some people months, years, or never to be able to deal with the fact that they have been fooled their entire life.

We are not smarter than God, and God didn't need to "dumb down" the facts about the World.

You have been deceived, NASA = SATAN. It is the great deception.

There is no universe, only Earth, Beneath, and The Heavens.

Stars are simply lights inside the firmament, the sun is the greater light, and the moon is the lesser light. They follow a circular path, above the earth, in the firmament.

Harfelugan · Nov 27, 2015

MaxR1996 said:
If you're a fundamentalist and truly belief the bible as the literal word of God, which I do, you should acknowledge that the world is flat.

I'm not going to argue it, but there is a large amount of evidence on google or youtube, and its just common sense.

How can you say you take the bible literally and believe we're some random planet spinning around the sun, in the galaxy, in the universe. Its a lie. We are stationary and not moving. A flat circle, surrounded in a firmament, as described in Genesis, with heaven above, and hell below.

Really, your not going to argue it, and still claim to be a fundamentalist. I'm in doubt of your claim. Let's be literal about fundamentalism now. Fundamentalist will argue, and be prepared for the argument as a challenge. And the fundamentalists will argue against your flat earth claim. Your just being silly.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

Harfelugan said:
Really, your not going to argue it, and still claim to be a fundamentalist. I'm in doubt of your claim. Let's be literal about fundamentalism now. Fundamentalist will argue, and be prepared for the argument as a challenge. And the fundamentalists will argue against your flat earth claim. Your just being silly.

Sure I'll argue. I've just explained this point so many times. Do you have a question? I'll answer it. One question I have for you is how can you prove the Earth is a sphere? Heres another thing, if the atmosphere and land supposedly follow the same proportion on your sphere model, why does the sky look round and the earth look flat....Well the answer is because its exactly as it appears and is described in the bible....The Earth is flat, and the Sky is a dome known as the Firmament.

Isaacsname · Nov 27, 2015

Not even close to being true

The Bible is based on Mesopotamian metrology, which is based on astronomy

Ancient astronomy is not based on a flat earth

Harfelugan · Nov 27, 2015

MaxR1996 said:
Sure I'll argue. I've just explained this point so many times. Do you have a question? I'll answer it. One question I have for you is how can you prove the Earth is a sphere? Heres another thing, if the atmosphere and land supposedly follow the same proportion on your sphere model, why does the sky look round and the earth look flat....Well the answer is because its exactly as it appears and is described in the bible....The Earth is flat, and the Sky is a dome known as the Firmament.

Well, just walk in a strait line as far as you can, sail or fly in a strait line when you can't walk. Then post the result when you reach the edge, if you find yourself back where you started post that result. Let's be silly together then.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

Harfelugan said:
Well, just walk in a strait line as far as you can, sail or fly in a strait line when you can't walk. Then post the result when you reach the edge, if you find yourself back where you started post that result. Let's be silly together then.

Or I could just tell you exactly where the edge is. None of us can go there. The Edge is in Antarctica.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

Isaacsname said:
Not even close to being true

The Bible is based on Mesopotamian metrology, which is based on astronomy

Ancient astronomy is not based on a flat earth

Great job over complicating what the Bible says plainly.

Regardless of the "Origin" which is an idea based on man, every bible verses, such as the ones I posted describe a flat earth.

The Bible is not "based" on anything other than God, and the word of God, written through chosen people.

Why are you putting more faith in an interpretation of the bible, then the bible itself ?

Isaacsname · Nov 27, 2015

LOL

Let's start with Hillel II derivation of the calendar

Do you know it ?

Harfelugan · Nov 27, 2015

MaxR1996 said:
Or I could just tell you exactly where the edge is. None of us can go there. The Edge is in Antarctica.

Is that where we can fall off, or is there some sort of fence there? Where does an airplane go if it flies beyond there? Lets be silly together.

Isaacsname · Nov 27, 2015

Yeah, I have extensive studies in Mesopotamian cosmology { Akkadian, Chaldean, Sumerian and more } , as well as the theoretical mathematical astronomy that was the basis of ancient metrology, I can tell you that your ideas are really based on a lack of study, as are all flat-earthers

Ancient astronomers did indeed think of things on flat planes

They are called " orbits "

That's about as far as I could agree with you

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

Harfelugan said:
Is that where we can fall off, or is there some sort of fence there? Where does an airplane go if it flies beyond there? Lets be silly together.

I will happily explain that to you.

First you need to understand that the continents are not exactly where a rectangular/global map shows them to be, and flight routes will confirm this.

The shape of the earth, and position of Continents, is a flat disc ( with surface elevation differences ), surrounded by a firmament in which the outer edges are in the outer parts of Antarctica, and the edge of the firmament surrounds the Earth as a circle.

In the center of the circle is the north pole, then some oceans, than the major continents, then more oceans, the Antarctica, then if you go far enough into Antarctica you reach the firmament, which surrounds Antarctica 360 degrees in a circle.

You will not fall off, because you are surrounded in an impenetrable firmament, if you flew a plane into the firmament, the plane will be destroyed. There is nothing on earth than can break through the firmament, because it is made by God.

MaxR1996 · Nov 27, 2015

Here is how it looks, as a overhead view:
http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/modern+flat+earth+map.png

Harfelugan · Nov 27, 2015

MaxR1996 said:
I will happily explain that to you.

First you need to understand that the continents are not exactly where a rectangular/global map shows them to be, and flight routes will confirm this.

The shape of the earth, and position of Continents, is a flat disc ( with surface elevation differences ), surrounded by a firmament in which the outer edges are in the outer parts of Antarctica, and the edge of the firmament surrounds the Earth as a circle.

In the center of the circle is the north pole, then some oceans, than the major continents, then more oceans, the Antarctica, then if you go far enough into Antarctica you reach the firmament, which surrounds Antarctica 360 degrees in a circle.

You will not fall off, because you are surrounded in an impenetrable firmament, if you flew a plane into the firmament, the plane will be destroyed. There is nothing on earth than can break through the firmament, because it is made by God.

Did you notice the latitudal and longatudal graph of the map you've linked to shows the expansion of the curvature of the earth? Whereas a flat earth map would present all lines as equally spaced, without any reference of a 3 dimensional object. You've also presented Antarctica as the end all location for N., S., E., and W.. As if you can reach it going in any direction. The map you linked doesn't reveal this as truthful.

For me to continue this discussion would be involving myself in personal meanness I will have to leave you with one last statement. You are incorrectly representing fundamentalism.

JackRT · Nov 27, 2015

MaxR1996 --- I have been a Christian for over 70 years and a scientist, mathematician and educator for over 50 years. Could you please explain to us the origins of the seasons, solar and lunar eclipses, the precession of the earth's pole and the mechanism for the correolis effect? Do you honestly believe the earth's scientists, astronomers and engineers are engaged in a gigantic hoax?. Speaking from long experience, I have seen absolutely no evidence of such. You sir, have allowed yourself to be grossly deluded on these issues. On the other hand you just might be hoaxing us and laughing at how seriously we take you. As "Poe's law" states "without a winking smiley or some or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a conspiracy theorist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article."

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