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granpa

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I am perfectly willing to accept that a self-reproducing semi-polymer formed by chance shortly after the earth formed.

That microevolution occurs is indisputable. We see it happening when we create new breeds of dogs.

Certainly that occurs. I am not doubting that. But even with 4.5 billion years is that sort of blind natural selection really sufficient to explain the immense complexity of life and molecular biology in particular?

That macroevolution occurs is indisputable. But it has not been established that it did or could have occurred without the aid of some sort of intelligence.

Declaring that because microevolution can be seen happening that therefore macroevolution is proven is what I would call a slippery slope fallacy.

A man asks a woman if she would be willing to sleep with him if he pays her an exorbitant sum. She replies affirmatively. He then names a paltry amount and asks if she would still be willing to sleep with him for the revised fee. The woman is greatly offended and replies as follows:

She: What kind of woman do you think I am?

He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

Biology Animations by Drew Berry for WEHI

 
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Grandpa,
Its video's such as what you posted that will cause the downfall of evolutionism. There is no way a process using chance mutations could do what the video presents.
Indeed. Then why has that fact escaped the notice of nearly every biologist on the face of the planet, and why hasn't that amazing discovery won somebody a Nobel Prize?
 
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That macroevolution occurs is indisputable. But it has not been established that it did or could have occurred without the aid of some sort of intelligence.

Whether or not divine causation lies behind Evolution is self evidently something atheistic biologists would answer in the negative and theists biologists would answer in the positive. Since neither of them can prove their case, it is a matter of giving a philosophical interpretation to that which can be known for a scientific fact.
 
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Indeed. Then why has that fact escaped the notice of nearly every biologist on the face of the planet, and why hasn't that amazing discovery won somebody a Nobel Prize?

My guess, atheistic evolutionist give out the nobel prize.
 
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My guess, atheistic evolutionist give out the nobel prize.

Well the problem with that is that the Nobel Committee contains at least one Christian (Thorbjern Jagland).
 
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Most people who believe in evolutionism are atheist.

Not quite. In Europe 97% of Christians have no quarrel with science. In fact they find it fairly jaw dropping that 40% of Americans think the Earth is 6,000 years old. It drops even further when they encounter the geocentrists.
 
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As I said....My guess, atheistic evolutionist give out the nobel prize. As I said it was a guess and made tounge in cheek. I'm not going to debate percentages as this thread is not about that.

To get back on topic...Its video's such as what Grandpa posted that will cause the downfall of evolutionism. There is no way a process using chance mutations could do what the video presents.
 
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As I said....My guess, atheistic evolutionist give out the nobel prize. As I said it was a guess and made tounge in cheek. I'm not going to debate percentages as this thread is not about that.

To get back on topic...Its video's such as what Grandpa posted that will cause the downfall of evolutionism. There is no way a process using chance mutations could do what the video presents.

If you make claims, it is usually a good idea to support them. If you can't, just admit you were wrong.

That would be the intellectually honest thing to do.
 
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If you make claims, it is usually a good idea to support them. If you can't, just admit you were wrong.

That would be the intellectually honest thing to do.

Get over it. My post said...."My guess"...It was not a claim. My guess is that I'm probably right...but to be honest, I really don't care.

Just for the record ...lesliedellow said above "Not quite. In Europe 97% of Christians have no quarrel with science."...and neither do I. Science supports the biblical record.

What I can say is that the biblical record doesn't support the psudo-science of evolutionism.
 
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Get over it. My post said...."My guess"...It was not a claim. My guess is that I'm probably right...but to be honest, I really don't care.

Just for the record ...lesliedellow said above "Not quite. In Europe 97% of Christians have no quarrel with science."...and neither do I. Science supports the biblical record.

What I can say is that the biblical record doesn't support the psudo-science of evolutionism.

What I say is that you can't make science say what you want it to say.
 
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Get over it. My post said...."My guess"...It was not a claim. My guess is that I'm probably right...but to be honest, I really don't care.

Just for the record ...lesliedellow said above "Not quite. In Europe 97% of Christians have no quarrel with science."...and neither do I. Science supports the biblical record.

What I can say is that the biblical record doesn't support the psudo-science of evolutionism.

I don't see the words; my guess in post 11. This is what you wrote:

"Most people who believe in evolutionism are atheist."
 
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Most people who believe in evolutionism are atheist.
That is not true. My own denomination has published public statement stating that it has no problem with ToE in 1969. I have seen others as well for the Methodists and Catholics. Furthermore, atheism is an individual personal preference. It has nothing to do with being against any religion or supporting science.
 
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