Awesome, thank you. So the good news is the forgiveness of sins and the redemption of the world? How does this happen?
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What is the gospel of God?
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You seem to keep implying that there are many pieces of good news from God's Word that there's not just one good news article that was given to us through Messiah. What is the good news, the gospel that was testified through Messiah, how's that for a qualifier?
Can we all agree that the good news was about the coming of the Messiah?
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God will court Israel, once again.....then marriage.......
Hosea 2
God's Mercy to Israel
…18"In that day I will also make a covenant for them With the beasts of the field, The birds of the sky And the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land, And will make them lie down in safety. 19"I will betroth you to Me forever; Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, In lovingkindness and in compassion, 20And I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the LORD.…
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Because we can have forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
The bad news is we have all been condemned to death by Adam's sin and by our own sinful choices, the good news is that the Messiah died for our sins so that we could be redeemed.
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Here's something to ponder.
God divorced Israel His Wife. However He talks about marriage again. How can He marry His Wife Israel again, that would be a violation of Torah, the husband has to die then the wife is free to marry.
Did the husband die? I certainly think so. He died and was resurrected and now He can legally take His wife.
Just another premise. LOL
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Just to clarify my "The BIG Torah! Hello ..." was reference to the Hebrew Bible as first and foremost the "Gospel of GOD." As a Jewish man pointed out to me ... that the Hebrew Bible (OT) is considerably bigger (more pages) than the NT.
You may agree that some MJs distinquish the "Gospel of GOD" from that of the "Good News." For example i only mentioned two verses from Hebrews 8:1-13 for the following reason. Of all Paul's letters it may be Hebrews 8:13 that is most controversial to some Messianic Jews. I am seeking some clarity so please don't think i'm being evasive. It would be helpful if you tell us if you consider the "Gospel of God" as synonymous with the "Good News." My reply is with respect to the thread title, "What is the gospel of God." If you had asked, "What is the Good News" then that to me is associated more with the New Covenant as expressed in the Brit Chadash.
For me the verses that represent the all inclusiveness of the complete "Gospel of God" (complete Torah of God) are at the beginning of John's Gospel.
John 1:1-14 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
From a "Messianic" perspective the Book of Hebrews is perfection. It reminds me of a literal dissertation that Paul and/or Apollo would have written for the eyes and ears of the most educated Pharisees. It is beautiful work of heroic prose.
The Psalms of David are as much a tribute to the "Gospel of God" as found in the TaNaKh ... my opinion.
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"....gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come” (Matthew 24:14).
The gospel is the good news of the coming Kingdom of God.
The gospel is the good news of the coming Kingdom of God.
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OK..three pages in and we have:
1) The Gospel is the conversion of the Jews
2) The Gospel is the "restoration"
3) The Gospel is something in eschatology
4) The Gospel is in someway the Messiah
5) The Gospel is the Second Advent
6) The Gospel has something to do with the Torah broadly speaking
7) The Gospel is about a future Kingdom
...and a Baptist guy comes in and actually nails it.
"1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
Full points to Jordan K.
If you don't get the Gospel right, there's no way you will understand the Law. Maybe that explains the ongoing confusion over the Law on this forum.
1) The Gospel is the conversion of the Jews
2) The Gospel is the "restoration"
3) The Gospel is something in eschatology
4) The Gospel is in someway the Messiah
5) The Gospel is the Second Advent
6) The Gospel has something to do with the Torah broadly speaking
7) The Gospel is about a future Kingdom
...and a Baptist guy comes in and actually nails it.
"1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
Full points to Jordan K.
If you don't get the Gospel right, there's no way you will understand the Law. Maybe that explains the ongoing confusion over the Law on this forum.
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So, we can agree that the gospel was about the coming of the Messiah. And his coming entailed bringing gifts, namely forgiveness of sins and redemption.
The Gospel was promised before through the prophets. It regarded God’s Son, who came in the flesh as a descendant of King David, was a man from the house of David, was killed for our sins and raised from the dead. And, we are all called to believe in the one act of righteousness that justified and brought life to all. This would be our command, to believe in the one God sent. Through this faith we have righteousness in God’s sight. Just like Abraham.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast.-Ephesians 2:8-9
The gospel describes an Obedience that comes through faith…. and reveals a righteousness from God “that is by faith from first to last” Meaning the righteousness has to do with NOTHING else but faith.
We are commanded to believe (obedience that comes from faith), and this faith reveals a righteousness from God sent as a gift.
To believe in the result of one act of righteousness that justified and brought life to all men. That through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous through faith, by the grace of God.
The result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
Through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Grace reigns through (this) righteousness to bring eternal life through Yeshua.
Obedience that comes by faith….Faith observant! Observant to faith in the righteousness of Yeshua. Who he is and what he has done, for us. Grace reigns through the righteousness of Messiah, for all who are obedient in faith. Observers of the Torah Messiah gave.
The Gospel was promised before through the prophets. It regarded God’s Son, who came in the flesh as a descendant of King David, was a man from the house of David, was killed for our sins and raised from the dead. And, we are all called to believe in the one act of righteousness that justified and brought life to all. This would be our command, to believe in the one God sent. Through this faith we have righteousness in God’s sight. Just like Abraham.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast.-Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God– 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.5Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 5
16 Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the giftfollowed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and ofthe gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God– 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.5Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 5
16 Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the giftfollowed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and ofthe gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The gospel describes an Obedience that comes through faith…. and reveals a righteousness from God “that is by faith from first to last” Meaning the righteousness has to do with NOTHING else but faith.
We are commanded to believe (obedience that comes from faith), and this faith reveals a righteousness from God sent as a gift.
To believe in the result of one act of righteousness that justified and brought life to all men. That through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous through faith, by the grace of God.
The result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
Through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Grace reigns through (this) righteousness to bring eternal life through Yeshua.
Obedience that comes by faith….Faith observant! Observant to faith in the righteousness of Yeshua. Who he is and what he has done, for us. Grace reigns through the righteousness of Messiah, for all who are obedient in faith. Observers of the Torah Messiah gave.
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...and a Baptist guy comes in and actually nails it.
"1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
Full points to Jordan K.
If you don't get the Gospel right, there's no way you will understand the Law.
Ephesians 3:17-19 (CJB)
17 so that the Messiah may live in your hearts through your trusting. Also I pray that you will be rooted and founded in love,
18 so that you, with all God’s people, will be given strength to grasp the breadth, length, height and depth of the Messiah’s love,
19 yes, to know it, even though it is beyond all knowing, so that you will be filled with all the fullness of God.
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I agree that the coming of Messiah to bring gifts namely forgiving of sins and redemption is KEY to the Gospel.
However it's bigger than that IMHO. In this age absolutely believing that Jesus came and died for our sins which is redemption. Redemption unto what is the bigger picture.
Abraham not only saw a physical kingdom but a heavenly and spiritual kingdom. This is what we are saved unto for eternity where those will sit at Abraham's table.
I'm not very good at explaining, sorry.
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Without the Law how could we begin to appreciate how great is the Good News
Ephesians 3:17-19 (CJB)
17 so that the Messiah may live in your hearts through your trusting. Also I pray that you will be rooted and founded in love,
18 so that you, with all God’s people, will be given strength to grasp the breadth, length, height and depth of the Messiah’s love,
19 yes, to know it, even though it is beyond all knowing, so that you will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Absolutely, the law and the projects POINTS to Messiah. Philip told Nathaniel 'we have found Him who Moses in the law and the prophets wrote about'. And the Bereans checked the scriptures to see if Paul was right.
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Have you not read? 1Sa 20-22, Ps 52
I'm glad you had a chance to read it.
Why do they say the Messiah is a descendant of David?
(Mt 22:42, Mk 12:35, Lk 20:41)
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It is all good news from the moment God created to the moment when He is finished with the plan of salvation and we are redeemed.
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Without the Law how could we begin to appreciate how great is the Good News
Ephesians 3:17-19 (CJB)
17 so that the Messiah may live in your hearts through your trusting. Also I pray that you will be rooted and founded in love,
18 so that you, with all God’s people, will be given strength to grasp the breadth, length, height and depth of the Messiah’s love,
19 yes, to know it, even though it is beyond all knowing, so that you will be filled with all the fullness of God.
Correct- the Law/Gospel relationship needs to be orthodox or one or the other will suffer.
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Because God said to David that the Messiah would be from his seed.
2 Samuel 7:11-16
Moreover, the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house. 12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’ ”
This is reaffirmed by the words the angel spoke to Mary inMoreover, the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house. 12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’ ”
Luke 1;
30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."'
30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."'
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The core of the gospel of God is that the promised Messiah of Israel has come.
So the apostles asked him;
So the apostles asked him;
Acts 1:6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
They asked because they knew the prophecy connected the Messiah of Israel to the throne of King David, the house and kingdom of Israel/Jacob. Meaning physical seed and nation. Because the angel states God gives Messiah (Son of the Most High) the throne of 'his father' David (physical) and that he will reign over the house of Jacob (physical) forever. Messiah is physically from King David and sits on his throne as he reigns over the house of Jacob forever. Meaning there will forever be a physical house of Israel to be ruled. The apostles knew it was Messiah, and knew it meant the restoration of the kingdom and the house of Israel. Because they are inextricably linked. They simply didn't understand exactly how the house was being built. They forgot that in order to build a sound structure one has to excavate the site and prepare it for the building.
Mark 13:1As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”
2“Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
2“Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
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The Gospel of God is that Messiah has come and has brought forgiveness of sins and redemption for Israel, as promised through the prophets.
Good news indeed!
The Gospel of God is about the coming of the Messiah of Israel. He came and brought good news and gifts. He offered forgiveness of sins and eternal life through instruction and baptism of the Spirit. Yeshua gave Torah through the Spirit to the apostles.
I Will Put My Spirit Within You
Ezekiel 36
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries andbring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 And I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. And I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you.
Ezekiel 36
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries andbring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 And I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. And I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you.
Good news indeed!
Acts 1
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
The Gospel of God is about the coming of the Messiah of Israel. He came and brought good news and gifts. He offered forgiveness of sins and eternal life through instruction and baptism of the Spirit. Yeshua gave Torah through the Spirit to the apostles.
Acts 10
36As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), 37you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
43To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
36As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), 37you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
43To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
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